Woden posted:

Miller was bad and I'm glad he's dead.

counterfeitsaint posted:

WTF are you talking about with Miller? He went home and looked around at the various belter kids around him, felt guilty about the air filters, went and found the guy and drug him into an airlock to asphyxiate him for a few seconds, and told him to clean the drat filters from now on. There was no mention of tripling a bribe. Why would he say "Breathing air is nice huh?" and then suck out all the dudes air and wait for several seconds if his plan was to just space him?

Do you think Bobbies little chant about how she wants to physically destroy the earth was just made up in response to recent events, or was it more of a common thing for martian marines to say? Most of the Bobbie hate came from before Ganymede, but I think the worst thing she's done so far is, when she clearly can't remember what happened, she immediately defaults to 'earthers musta done it, WAR TIEM'.

Since smugass book readers can't shut the gently caress up, it's obvious by now that Bobbie will have some kind of redemption arc and become a better character, and that's great to look forward to I guess. For now however, she's an angry warmongering jerk. Not literally hitler, but she doesn't come close to the charisma or likability Miller had.

Eiba posted:

I mean, I don't like generic marines. I don't agree or sympathize with Bobbie's worldview. At times I was wishing Bobbie scenes would end sooner. I still respect that she's a pretty fair representation of a traumatized person.

enraged_camel posted:

Uh, she became traumatized literally in this most recent episode. We had six episodes before that, in which she was quite mentally healthy. So let's not try to argue that her hosed up attitudes and worldviews are a result of trauma. If anything, it will probably be this very trauma that knocks some sense into her, since she realized that the UN soldiers were in fact not charging them, and there was something hosed up going on.

Accretionist posted:

I hope she hits that Zen, "I am all out of shits to give, just plumb the gently caress out," headspace.

Xerxes17 posted:

So that dude became Amos then?

Strategic Tea posted:

Most of the hate I see isn't even gender related. It's either she's too much of a war hawk (oh no! a character who isn't rationally correct about everything!)

Or that while completely traumatised and probably eating through a tube she blamed Earth marines for the death of her squad and couldn't recall what had actually happened (totally irrational! if I was her i would just have publicised the truth then united the belt then assassinated Mao and invented FTL travel)

MOVIE MAJICK posted:

The only way show Bobbie gets redeemed is if she indeed becomes the next Julie Mao protomolecule mesiah

enraged_camel posted:

Yeah, comparing Bobbie to Miller is absolutely idiotic.

Miller definitely had issues. Asphyxiating that one guy in the airlock to teach him a lesson, executing the lead proto molecule scientist by shooting him in the head even though he was unarmed, had surrendered and was willing to fully cooperate, obsessively hunting down a girl he had never met long after he was taken off the mission (and then fired)... all of these behaviors painted a character with deep flaws.

But he was driven by a strong sense of morality and always tried to do the right thing, even when it put him at odds with people on his team.

Woden posted:

Miller was bad and I'm glad he's dead.

Snowman Crossing posted:

Bobbie has some nice tits, hoping she puts them to work in the next few episodes since she won't need to be in a vacuum suit.

Woden posted:

Miller was bad and I'm glad he's dead.

Platystemon posted:

In the books, Miller was really a cat.

He put all his points in disguise and was able to successfully pass as a human for years.

Number Ten Cocks posted:

In the books the UN Secretary General motorboats them.

etalian posted:

qirex posted:

I just caught up, did anyone else who watched it on Syfy have a weird audio sync issue for the last 5 minutes or so?

Anyway, not a fan of Bobbie having to recover her memories, it feels like they're making the plot more complicated than it needs to be [also recovered memories aren't really an actual thing].

NPR Journalizard posted:

Yeah, memories are highly fallible at the best of times.

Baronjutter posted:

Just want to weigh in on Bobbie chat because it's so interesting and everyone needs to be heard of this important issue.

She isn't a bad character because her in-universe morality is lovely or dumb or hitler. Dawes is horrible and I hate him, but he's a well acted and written character who is interesting and enjoyable. Draper has been kinda bad not due to any of the character's moral failings, but because so far she's been pretty one dimensional and had way too many episodes of her doing absolutely nothing related to the plot other than establishing that she's an extremely well known military grunt trope we've seen a million times and a single 5 min introductory scene would have communicated easily.

You know who else isn't that interesting at times? Holden. He always does the right thing, he's such a perfect neutral good main player character but can be really wooden and boring at times. But at least Holden has a bunch of interesting, flawed, conflicted, damaged characters to play off and force him into difficult choices. Bobbie has been on her own surrounded by annoying one dimensional military types. She's finally becoming a bit more interesting but it's been a long and boring time coming.

Platystemon posted:

Executing Dresden was the right thing to do.

I don’t know what Holden’s motives were for executing Cortazar, but “prevent him from finding more Protomolecule®” is a plenty good reason.

Milky Moor posted:

you're actually all wrong about bobbie because she's a Broke Brain Valkyrie Hitler, sorry

enraged_camel posted:

The claim was that Holden always does the right thing. This implies that he should also be quite OK with other people who do the right thing. If executing Dresden was the right thing, why did Holden give Miller so much crap about it, kick him off the ship and excommunicate him?