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exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


DoctorGonzo posted:

The frosbite engine is bad or what? The facial animations are really awful.

They're somehow a noticeable step down from Inquisition, which didn't even stand out for being particularly bad or anything.

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Obstacle2
Dec 21, 2004
feels good man

Milky Moor posted:

Another key thing about the TW3 is that Geralt is a relic of a time long past and simply isn't needed by the world anymore. The very first quest points out that a bunch of soldiers with crossbows can basically do his job. There's a side quest where his profession is summed up by an official as a glorified vermin exterminator. There's plenty of points where Geralt is lied to, tricked, or generally caught off guard by the new way of doing things. His whole relationship with Ciri is about him learning that his daughter has to go out into the world and achieve her destiny without him. There's this whole thing running through the game where Geralt can cling to his old, dying way of life - or embrace change and try something new and break with tradition. It's a game about being a father and a game about moving on.

Bioware doesn't even attempt that level of thematic cohesion in their narrative.

edit: Well, to be fair, they attempt it. There's a big thing about inter-generational conflict running through the trilogy but it's pretty muddled.

Like, you can always tell who has never actually played TW3 because they sum up Geralt as "super studly manly fucksgood" and cite it as a reason to not play it? All the people circlejerking earlier about hype or whatever was kind of marvelous. People like talking about things that are good, and TW3 is a very good RPG and story.

Saying that Geralt simply isn't needed by the world anymore is quite a stretch. How do you suppose the first quest demonstrates that a bunch of soldiers with crossbows can do his job when the reason he is hired on in in the first place because said group of soldiers tried and failed to kill the griffin? He gets beat sometimes, thats what makes the setting appealing. We aren't playing Superman or some other hero for weirdos. This guy is flawed and is relatable as a result.

Hate for Geralt comes from the fact that hes strange and part of a strange order. They literally make bargains for peoples children which are then secreted away and fed poison to maybe die or maybe not die and get imbued with magical power. Theres is nothing to read into there, its just prejudice. Why would the Emperor in TW3 hire Geralt if he was so outdated? Why would they have three games full of people desperately in need of a Witcher? In TW3 we see the rest of Geralts order and how they are just as busy as he is.

If Geralt is moving on it is because of age, not because the world has changed and no longer needs him. The events of all three games prove pretty convincingly that the world needs Witchers.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Zakmonster posted:

Never looked at it this way. I always thought the poor reaction Geralt got from random peasants was because he was a literal mutie freak and his presence meant that some bad poo poo had happened/will happen. He's the guy you turn to when face-eating monsters are knocking on your door, that type of person isn't always going to be welcome, especially in the broke-down superstitious hovels that make up majority of the Witcher landscape.

Like, the only people who like him are the guys in Skellige, because they're all about physical/mental prowess and Geralt is good at his job, so they respect that.

That's true, too. Geralt's a weird monster man who people tolerate because he kills the worse monsters. But the Witchers used to be the only people who could kill monsters reliably, so they had a bit more pull, a bit more power, and people were less open about spitting in their faces. But by TW3, technology and society has advanced enough to challenge the necessity of the Witchers. Eventually, the world simply won't need Witchers anymore.

Like, don't get me wrong, Geralt's a tough dude with superhuman strength and speed and so on, but he can also be killed by taking a pitchfork to the chest. I think the one thing he really has going for him is his monster and alchemy knowledge.

I'm super pumped to see what CDPR get up to with that Cyberpunk game.

Harrower
Nov 30, 2002
Has anyone complained that this is a capitalist industrial colonization simulator where you travel to unexplored lands and kill the natives? Please link any extreme effort posts about this topic tia.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Harrower posted:

Has anyone complained that this is a capitalist industrial colonization simulator where you travel to unexplored lands and kill the natives? Please link any extreme effort posts about this topic tia.

They have, but I can't (be bothered to) find any big :words: posts.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Obstacle2 posted:

Theres is nothing to read into there, its just prejudice. Why would the Emperor in TW3 hire Geralt if he was so outdated? Why would they have three games full of people desperately in need of a Witcher? In TW3 we see the rest of Geralts order and how they are just as busy as he is.

Yeah, three dudes in an order that's implied to once have had dozens or hundreds.

Also, what's this?

quote:

Nowadays, when monsters have become something of a rarity, the demand for the witchers' services has declined significantly. Only a few representatives of the caste still travel the world, and no more monster slayers are being made.

And this?

quote:

Once as numerous as the beasts they fought, today the witchers are seen as a relic of times long gone.

Come on, man, you're asking why would the Emperor hire Geralt to find Ciri? One, Geralt's a fantastic tracker independent of him being a Witcher. Two, Ciri's family and Geralt has a history with her.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


When does game launch? I'll come back then as thread bad.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

When does game launch? I'll come back then as thread bad.

Next Tuesday.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

When does game launch? I'll come back then as thread bad.

You think the thread will IMPROVE when the game launches?

And the preview comes out on Thursday. Enough to evaluate everything but the single player storyline.

Zakmonster
Apr 15, 2010

Harrower posted:

Has anyone complained that this is a capitalist industrial colonization simulator where you travel to unexplored lands and kill the natives? Please link any extreme effort posts about this topic tia.

To be fair, though, most of the videos we've seen of the exploration/colonization takes place in uninhabited or uncharted planets. So I don't think this is going to be colonization East India Company style.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

When does game launch? I'll come back then as thread bad.

Game's launch isn't going to make thread any less bad. This thread is so bad its like Bioware made it.

Oriental Hugs
Jun 15, 2001

Nothin' about hugs, though
So if you pay 5 dollars for Origin access you can play for 10 hours on march 16. I'm so tempted to give it a try is anybody else going too?

Oriental Hugs fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Mar 13, 2017

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Zakmonster posted:

To be fair, though, most of the videos we've seen of the exploration/colonization takes place in uninhabited or uncharted planets. So I don't think this is going to be colonization East India Company style.

Apparently part of the reason why you do all this viability poo poo is to activate the alien vaults that can change the outright environment of the planet itself. So its a little bit beyond any East India Company/ Avatar Bullshit. We're straight up taking tech that instantly terraforms worlds to our needs because, wow, they were just over there the whole time! And it's great that aliens set the locks to come undone by just doing busywork!

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Milky Moor posted:

That's true, too. Geralt's a weird monster man who people tolerate because he kills the worse monsters. But the Witchers used to be the only people who could kill monsters reliably, so they had a bit more pull, a bit more power, and people were less open about spitting in their faces. But by TW3, technology and society has advanced enough to challenge the necessity of the Witchers. Eventually, the world simply won't need Witchers anymore.

Like, don't get me wrong, Geralt's a tough dude with superhuman strength and speed and so on, but he can also be killed by taking a pitchfork to the chest. I think the one thing he really has going for him is his monster and alchemy knowledge.

I'm super pumped to see what CDPR get up to with that Cyberpunk game.

To put it in perspective, I like Witcher 3, but i find the gameplay to be a real letdown compared to the writing, which is why I said it was probably best watched on youtube. It's also significantly better written than the first two which didn't work for me anywhere near as well because they were too bought in to the badassness of Geralt and how he's too cool for causes and so on and so forth.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

Crabtree posted:

Apparently part of the reason why you do all this viability poo poo is to activate the alien vaults that can change the outright environment of the planet itself. So its a little bit beyond any East India Company/ Avatar Bullshit. We're straight up taking tech that instantly terraforms worlds to our needs because, wow, they were just over there the whole time! And it's great that aliens set the locks to come undone by just doing busywork!

So it's a Genesis device? What happens to the current inhabitants of said planet when you change the entire environment?

Or are the planets uninhabited and lifeless to begin with?

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Panzeh posted:

To put it in perspective, I like Witcher 3, but i find the gameplay to be a real letdown compared to the writing, which is why I said it was probably best watched on youtube. It's also significantly better written than the first two which didn't work for me anywhere near as well because they were too bought in to the badassness of Geralt and how he's too cool for causes and so on and so forth.

Yeah, I couldn't get into TW1 for that reason and TW2's gameplay was still too janky for me.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
shUT the gently caress UP ABUoT WITCHEr3

Zakmonster
Apr 15, 2010

Comstar posted:

So it's a Genesis device? What happens to the current inhabitants of said planet when you change the entire environment?

Or are the planets uninhabited and lifeless to begin with?

Can't say for sure, but they look mostly uninhabited. Don't know about local flora and fauna, and most gameplay shows the crew driving around large tracts of -insert hostile environment here- so I don't think there's much in the way of civilization. The ones that did showed Ryder making friends with the natives, so hopefully there are some blankets we can trade.

Oriental Hugs posted:

So if you pay 5 dollars for Origin access you can play for 10 hours on march 16. I'm so tempted to give it a try is anybody else going too?

I am, mainly because I am a sad loser with too much money.

Rat Flavoured Rats
Oct 24, 2005
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One thing I've not seen a clear answer on, will we be able to carry on our saves from the 10 hour trial into the full game?

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Almost certainly. I tried the demo for Battlefield 1, and it let me keep everything I did when I bought the full game. Origin Access is actually a pretty good deal for $5 a month- got to finally play Dead Space 2 with it, might try Mirror's Edge later.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Yeah, you probably haven't heard anything about it because the default answer on stuff like that is: yes, totally.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Comstar posted:

So it's a Genesis device? What happens to the current inhabitants of said planet when you change the entire environment?

Or are the planets uninhabited and lifeless to begin with?

I'm guessing the original inhabitants hosed up with this tech and wiped themselves out. You will be tasked to get Inquisition -- I mean, Viability points by outright culling local wild life, but the only alien force that will be hostile is the other colonial aliens that enslaved Catface's race, those rock body people (the Drel?), and people that just told the initiative to gently caress off and set up instant criminal empires when they landed. But I really doubt the forward bases you establish all over the planet would actually be impacted by flipping a green switch to shift the entire planet's environment like it probably should.

Crabtree fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Mar 13, 2017

Obstacle2
Dec 21, 2004
feels good man

Milky Moor posted:

Yeah, three dudes in an order that's implied to once have had dozens or hundreds.

Also, what's this?


And this?


Come on, man, you're asking why would the Emperor hire Geralt to find Ciri? One, Geralt's a fantastic tracker independent of him being a Witcher. Two, Ciri's family and Geralt has a history with her.

Ciri and Geralt have a history but the Emperor hates him. And he is not a fantastic tracker independent of him being a Witcher, he is a fantastic tracker because he is a Witcher.

Those quotes from the glossary are nice but it seems to contradict the fact that people multiple people in every human inhabited town Geralt encounters in all three games have need of him. Or the fact that we only really see one of the six schools of Witcher in the game.
Anyway, your argument that he was a dying breed was because they other people could just kill monsters themselves with technology, which was obviously not true.

Obstacle2 fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Mar 13, 2017

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

When does game launch? I'll come back then as thread bad.

No worries, I'll have a whole ongoing series of posts about alien sexual organs and mating rituals ready for when you get back, fam

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin
The thing about the angaran male's clitoral hood is,

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Hedrigall posted:

No worries, I'll have a whole ongoing series of posts about alien sexual organs and mating rituals ready for when you get back, fam

And I'll start thinking about an ero fanfic involving a threesome between Shorty Ryder, Dad's corpse and the talking APC.

Number Ten Cocks
Feb 25, 2016

by zen death robot

Hedrigall posted:

The thing about the angaran male's clitoral hood is,

https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/841087148216442880

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Obstacle2 posted:

Ciri and Geralt have a history but the Emperor hates him. And he is not a fantastic tracker independent of him being a Witcher, he is a fantastic tracker because he is a Witcher.

Those quotes from the glossary are nice but it seems to contradict the fact that people multiple people in every human inhabited town Geralt encounters in all three games have need of him. Or the fact that we only really see one of the six schools of Witcher in the game.
Anyway, your argument that he was a dying breed was because they other people could just kill monsters themselves with technology, which was obviously not true.

GERALT: Hmm. Looks like backpedaling.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
Who would win in a fight: geralt or the guy from bloodborne?

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
The Witcher 3 isn't about the world moving on from witchers and witches and such because they don't need them. It's about the fact that the world is moving on in spite of desperately needing them, and wether or not Geralt, Ciri and co. recognize that, refute it or accept it is irrelevant.

fridge corn posted:

Who would win in a fight: geralt or the guy from bloodborne?

Goku would easily kill both, imo.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
The only good RPG of the last six years is Bloodborne and the only good RPG before that was Mass Effect 2.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


fridge corn posted:

Who would win in a fight: geralt or the guy from bloodborne?

The guy from bloodborne has way more invincibility frames

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Dan Didio posted:

The only good RPG of the last six years is Bloodborne and the only good RPG before that was Mass Effect 2.

ME2 is a cover shooter set against a dime store trash level "thriller" plot

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

Phi230 posted:

ME2 is a cover shooter set against a dime store trash level "thriller" plot

Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Phi230 posted:

ME2 is a cover shooter set against a dime store trash level "thriller" plot

I agree, it was great.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Phi230 posted:

ME2 is a cover shooter set against a dime store trash level "thriller" plot

Doctor Spaceman posted:

I agree, it was great.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Dan Didio posted:

The only good RPG of the last six years is Bloodborne and the only good RPG before that was Mass Effect 2.

Well if we're including old classics that recently made it to steam then the best RPG for the past few years on the market is Avernum: Escape from the Pit.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/208400/

1995 if you're wondering. And it's glorious.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
There were no videogames in 1995, but thank you.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Dan Didio posted:

There were no videogames in 1995, but thank you.

You have sinned. Play through Jill of the Jungle 3 times and hail to 2D Duke Nukem.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
Definitive list of all the videogames, in order of best to worst:

1. Bloodborne
2. Mass Effect 2
3. TOMB RAIDER
4. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
5. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2




Last Place: Half Life 2, the cursed videogame.

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fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

DancingShade posted:

Well if we're including old classics that recently made it to steam then the best RPG for the past few years on the market is Avernum: Escape from the Pit.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/208400/

1995 if you're wondering. And it's glorious.

Was this originally called Exile? Cuz that game was great

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