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Olive Garden tonight! posted:Actually no game deserves a Greatest because that would mean it has literally no flaws, the most you should ever give is a Great.5 BOTW is at least a Great.6
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Mar 13, 2017 12:08
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Olive Garden tonight! posted:Actually no game deserves a Greatest because that would mean it has literally no flaws, the most you should ever give is a Great.5 Excuse me, but [insert favorite game here] has no flaws. It is perfect, in my eyes, and deserves to be called the Greatest!
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Mar 13, 2017 12:10
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This is exactly what I had hoped to avoid. Anyway, SMB3 is obviously a greatest. As is SMW. And Teamfortress2. You forgot that the qualifier is one of my favourites. I love tons of games with severe flaws! I also don't enjoy games that are adored by everyone else. Also I am going to have a number called Fun Factor. Fun Factors 1-5. G4F4 - Great and Fun Factor 4. now the interesting query: Can a game be G1F5? I bet there can be!!
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Mar 13, 2017 12:16
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bad rats i guess
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Mar 13, 2017 12:17
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VideoGames posted:now the interesting query: Can a game be G1F5? I bet there can be!! I think a lot of people put E.Y.E. there.
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Mar 13, 2017 12:18
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...I can't actually pick a favorite game now that I'm thinking about it. Shin Megami Tensei II has incredible atmosphere and art design but the actual gameplay is so clunky and old-school I couldn't rec it to anyone, and things like Invisible Inc and Brigador - while outstanding in their ways - are weighted by some heavy flaws. (Invisible Inc can be boring on easy difficulties/if the balance is out of whack, and Brigador's learning curve with the controls is a beast. Also not enough small map packs in Freelance mode.) Then you hit things like Pokemon or SD3 where I'm emotionally invested from playing them a ton as a kid, but eesh on calling any of them perfect. It's one of those cases where you just know what your favorite game is, but the intersection of favorite and a perfect game doesn't really happen?
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Mar 13, 2017 12:19
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I mean, show me a list of perfect games and I'll tell you which ones I like
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Mar 13, 2017 12:21
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Super Metroid That's about it
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Mar 13, 2017 12:22
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A perfect game: Spelunky. It is a game with the tightest design I've ever seen, where everything about it works in perfect harmony to deliver you an experience where you are Indiana Jones. The controls are perfect, it's fun, everything interacts in hilariously deadly ways, and it's also got a design that supports low-skill players having just as much fun as the crazy skilled people who do eggplant runs and so on. ...That said it's not my favorite game. I recognize its quality, and have fun playing it, but it's not going in my mental hall of fame. (Mostly because I never liked Indiana Jones)
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Mar 13, 2017 12:24
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I don't think perfect means without flaws. I think perfect means "It resonates perfectly with my mind and personality." There's no such thing as a product without flaws because all things are created by humans, who are flawed beings. I like that some things have flaws because then I appreciate the good points more thoroughly.
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Mar 13, 2017 12:24
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That's true! My favorite reviews to read are the ones that are subjective and tell me what the reviewer felt while playing, along with analysis about how the game works. Eurogamer and RPS do this the best in general, though it varies by writer. Interesting reviews can be entertainment in and of themselves, imo!
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Mar 13, 2017 12:36
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Jay Rust posted:I mean, show me a list of perfect games and I'll tell you which ones I like The monopoly video game that played this at the start https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nif68iBR3LA
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Mar 13, 2017 12:36
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I don't read video game reviews
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Mar 13, 2017 12:37
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fridge corn posted:I don't read video game reviews Thanks for your input
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Mar 13, 2017 12:38
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fridge corn posted:I don't read video game reviews You should start!
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Mar 13, 2017 12:39
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fridge corn posted:I don't read video game reviews Just wait till my ace website reviews are out. Then you'll change your mind.
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Mar 13, 2017 12:58
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I don't care for reviews in the typical sense of "gonna try to concisely discuss everything about a game and maybe give it a score," but I do like impressions, if that makes sense e: like, people posting their first impressions or second impressions of stuff
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Mar 13, 2017 13:02
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fridge corn posted:I don't read video game reviews Uninspired post that will nevertheless entertain fans of the genre 5/10
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Mar 13, 2017 13:03
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Good! Great! Awesome! Outstanding! AMAZING!
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Mar 13, 2017 13:04
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CJacobs posted:Good! Ahhh, the GGAOA rating format.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:07
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Jim's review is kind of dumb, and he spent an entire week going on about he's giving it a lower score than other critics, but thanks to the massive overreaction from the fanbase, none of that matters.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:12
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Towards the end of his own review he even starts mentioning how other reviews are giving it a high score. I'm not sure why people are angry over a low score from a man who doesn't like Nintendo at all and likes to be contrarian. He gave it a relatively low score after everyone else put out their reviews to generate buzz. But of course there are idiots out there who must take poo poo waaay to far and try to take over his twitter and site lol
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Mar 13, 2017 13:36
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Zaphod42 posted:He totally did it on purpose to cause this very reaction.: This is an actual gross opinion. Someone should be able to give whatever game a 7/10 without the fan base losing their poo poo. Yeah, maybe he should have seen it coming because of the infamous 8.8 thing and hell maybe he did but it doesn't excuse that poo poo. It doesn't excuse acting like a total fuckwad on the internet. Speaking of which, it is I guess validating to that saying jontron was crossing way over the line yesterday and wake up today to see he is in full meltdown and has lost over 50000 subs over being a racist poo poo on the internet.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:42
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I don't even like Sterling but gently caress this attitude of "well he should have expected this" or "he did this on purpose". Stop normalizing internet troll bullshit. In a situation where someone is getting harassed and hacked, we should never be taking the side of the harassers just because what they're doing is expected. It's a god damned video game. He should be able to give a 0/10 and suffer no consequences. It's his opinion and it has almost no impact at all on people playing and enjoying it. Hell, people are pissed that a low review will taint the game somehow but doing poo poo like this just puts a giant asterisk next to that score. I know I had trouble believing the breathless hype because of what happened when TP got it's 8.8 . I'm getting off track though. The point is, stop blaming the victim here. Stop saying people deserve the wrath of the hordes of the internet because they should have "known better" especially when the thing that they did is as innocuous as giving a game a less than perfect score
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Mar 13, 2017 13:46
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bloodychill posted:This is an actual gross opinion. Someone should be able to give whatever game a 7/10 without the fan base losing their poo poo. Yeah, maybe he should have seen it coming because of the infamous 8.8 thing and hell maybe he did but it doesn't excuse that poo poo. It doesn't excuse acting like a total fuckwad on the internet. E: He doesn't deserve being hacked or anything but he was totally aiming for a lot of pageviews and angry comments.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:46
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Maybe he just thought the game deserved a 7/10 score
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Mar 13, 2017 13:50
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People thinking Jim gave it a purposefully lower review score to generate attention for his review and people thinking other lovely people are lovely don't have to be mutually exclusive viewpoints. Jim is pretty contrarian about certain things and a person saying that Jim talking it up about how his review score is gonna be lower than others' scores isn't the same as a person claiming that he deserves the extreme backlash or a person condoning the actions of the people against him or a person saying that nobody is allowed to give a game a 7/10 score because they're just looking for attention.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:52
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glam rock hamhock posted:I don't even like Sterling but gently caress this attitude of "well he should have expected this" or "he did this on purpose". Stop normalizing internet troll bullshit. In a situation where someone is getting harassed and hacked, we should never be taking the side of the harassers just because what they're doing is expected. It's a god damned video game. He should be able to give a 0/10 and suffer no consequences. It's his opinion and it has almost no impact at all on people playing and enjoying it. Hell, people are pissed that a low review will taint the game somehow but doing poo poo like this just puts a giant asterisk next to that score. I know I had trouble believing the breathless hype because of what happened when TP got it's 8.8 . I'm getting off track though. The point is, stop blaming the victim here. Stop saying people deserve the wrath of the hordes of the internet because they should have "known better" especially when the thing that they did is as innocuous as giving a game a less than perfect score Nobody is saying he deserves the hate just because he was aware there would be a backlash. That's some hard projecting on your part. edit: The reason people are saying he had to have at least some awareness of it is because he just got done being sued for millions of dollars by crazy internet video game people. He knows very well the depths people can go to if you say something controversial. He says as much regarding the review itself. Obviously, he does not care about that and more power to him for it. But I don't think anybody reasonable is trying to imply he deserves that. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Mar 13, 2017 13:53
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Why is it "gross" to suggest that Jim Sterling was deliberately being controversial and poo poo-stirring? Andrast posted:Maybe he just thought the game deserved a 7/10 score What's more, this really does come down to "he deserves it because he should have known this would happen." A 7 isn't even that bad a score. In games in general, 7 is still in the "it's a good game" region.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:54
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Also also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Jim the one who specifically thrives on negative attention because that's what his whole persona is? Like, isn't that what his whole schtick starting out was, and now his persona is just all "I'm a massive egomaniac who is right about everything hahahaha come at me bro"?
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Mar 13, 2017 13:55
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On my gaming scale, Zelda is a G4F4. Its great and has a lot of fun!
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Mar 13, 2017 13:55
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bloodychill posted:What's more, this really does come down to "he deserves it because he should have known this would happen." How?? Who is saying that??
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Mar 13, 2017 13:55
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CJacobs posted:How?? Who is saying that?? zaphod42 and Lurdiak.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:57
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This would hardly be the first time goons/gamers in general claim that a negative review of their current favorite videogame was done purely for the attention, and it won't be the last. The only real difference between the reactions on SA and those found on NeoGAF is that people have paid money to post their semi-eloquent meltdowns about it here.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:58
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bloodychill posted:zaphod42 and Lurdiak. What they both said is that he wrote the review in a negative way to cause the backlash he is now receiving. While also probably just as incorrect, that is a different statement entirely than saying he deserves the backlash for voicing his opinion.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:59
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7/10 isn't even a bad score
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Mar 13, 2017 13:59
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VideoGames posted:On my gaming scale, Zelda is a G4F4. Its great and has a lot of fun! ah an 8.2, the same score i gave it
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Mar 13, 2017 13:59
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VideoGames posted:I don't think perfect means without flaws. I think perfect means "It resonates perfectly with my mind and personality." This comes as a surprise to nobody but when people say a game is perfect they almost always mean "perfect for me." Like when people point out flaws in a game you really enjoy, you probably don't think of them as "flaws" and moreso, "welp that's just how it is." The things that bother other people don't bother you because you're invested enough in the mechanics and setting that they're not even a consideration, just things you have to do. Like when people criticize Diablo and other ARPGs because "it's just about making numbers get bigger" I just smdh and am like dude that's entirely the point and why ARPGs own.
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Mar 13, 2017 14:00
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I remember when the first Halo was considered the perfect game, the only perfect game, at my junior high school
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CJacobs posted:What they both said is that he wrote the review in a negative way to cause the backlash he is now receiving. While also probably just as incorrect, that is a different statement entirely than saying he deserves the backlash for voicing his opinion. They said he was looking for it and got it, which is the same as saying "deserved it" but without the more negative connotations associated with sexist victim blaming. And it is basically victim blaming.
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