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Caconym
Feb 12, 2013

Comstar posted:

Shouldn't it be worthwhile to detach some of those Battleships to go after the allied convoys too?

Not with a modern undamaged American BB nearby. 9x16" guns and carriers really don't mix.
But detaching, say 4 DDs, as a hunter-killer SAG might pay off nicely.
And sortieing everything that floats in Truk and Rabaul.

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Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008
Props to that one Warhawk pilot that saw all those enemy planes and helpless ships and said "I gotta get me some of that".

i81icu812
Dec 5, 2006
Thats a big bunch of ships with no escorts.

I seem to have picked my lucky ship poorly. :(

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

I picked the Skipjack which has made exactly zero appearances. What the gently caress Spruance

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

On the bright side that means it can't be sunk if it never appears. :v:

My own lucky ship, Shigure, has yet to appear as well. ...In fact, glancing at the ship spotted list, she's one of only two - out of ten - Shiratsuyu-class destroyers (the other being class leader Shiratsuyu) that hasn't appeared.



edit: Holy poo poo, I just noticed there are 3 Minekaze-class destroyers in the Kidou Butai's escort screen. Those ships were obsolete by the beginning of the war, let alone now - they should be on permanent convoy and patrol duty, not escorting a main battle fleet. :psyduck:

Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Mar 10, 2017

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy
My ship got sunk. And it was awesome.

And then I claimed it's namesake replacement because it's the quick and the dead around here. :smug:

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
... Wow, well done Grey. That's a lot of dead allied shipping. So this is what not having to worry about a massed Allied air responsive for a bit is. Ability to raid outside of thier land based air power with impunity.

So, since the big battle with the mauled Allied CV's, you have further I think sunk 2-3 CVE's, 1-2 BB's, and a few cruisers and destroyers - their navies are still hurting.

So how is your own pilot training and research/production going?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

PittTheElder posted:

Is there any reason why the carriers are doing all the work, and there doesn't seem to be any land-based air from Espiritu Santo contributing? Too busy getting blown up by Liberators?

Seems to me like the perfect place to base a ton of Betties.

Aircraft not set to attack ships, won't.

pthighs
Jun 21, 2013

Pillbug
The entire South Pacific is a roiling cauldron of shark mouths.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Lets start the day by sinking a nice big oiler.







Liberator kill!



All other ships have vanished, so we raid Naomea.



Tarawa may need some reinforcements.







Another wave of troops hit the enemy at Hankow.







Aww, no mountain of ship hit reports – at least the turn was quicker to process!



We can still gain points though!

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Do the multiple divisions you've sent to the bottom count toward your land points?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

A White Guy posted:

Do the multiple divisions you've sent to the bottom count toward your land points?

Well, they are army losses, so yes.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






The plan for a CAP here is just not working.



Clunk!






This was a lot of work for a hobby.



Another raid on Noumae.







Things are going back to tick over mode. Lets see if any more enemy ships sunk today.



I've come to expect more.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Never thought Thomas Jefferson would be an honorary member of the APA Squad...

RA Rx
Mar 24, 2016

Ouch, 34-4 on the planes and pilots today. That's about a 30 point loss.

Still 15,303 points ahead though. It'd take that kind of losses daily for 17 months to catch up, everything else being equal.

How does pilot experience work?

RA Rx fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Mar 11, 2017

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
That APA would have been nice.

i81icu812
Dec 5, 2006

i81icu812 posted:

I think Wichita is reported sunk, so Raleigh it is

:confuoot:

2/2 on lucky ship kills

Hmm, now what to pick...

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

Grey Hunter posted:

This was a lot of work for a hobby.

Story of your life.

11 March 1943

British escort destroyer Harvester, badly damaged while ramming U-444 in the mid-Atlantic, then torpedoed by U-432, which in turn was rammed and sunk by French corvette Aconit.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

i81icu812 posted:

:confuoot:

2/2 on lucky ship kills

Hmm, now what to pick...

Go big on whatever CV is coming next.

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

11 March 1943

British escort destroyer Harvester, badly damaged while ramming U-444 in the mid-Atlantic, then torpedoed by U-432, which in turn was rammed and sunk by French corvette Aconit.

set to the theme of yakety sax

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

Story of your life.

11 March 1943

British escort destroyer Harvester, badly damaged while ramming U-444 in the mid-Atlantic, then torpedoed by U-432, which in turn was rammed and sunk by French corvette Aconit.

History is incredibly great.

Ikasuhito
Sep 29, 2013

Haram as Fuck.

If only the Aconit had hit a mine dropped by U-444, we could have come full circle.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

Ikasuhito posted:

If only the Aconit had hit a mine dropped by U-444, we could have come full circle.

Excuse me, they're French, not Italian.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Another battleship is spotted. This is followed by at least ten task force unloading messages. Each of the three phases.



We get three tankers and a destroyer.



Then we hurt the R&D department.



Burning tankers are pretty much kills.



These are pretty much dead as well.



Someone is getting fired after this week.



The bombs keep falling.



Even if half of these don't sink, the repair yards will be packed for months!



They landed a LOT of troops today – at least 4 more marine regiments plus support. Our men have no chance of holding them back.







Yeah, I need to get these out of here.







A pretty good showing here!







The loss of Tarawa is a blow, but there is not much I could have done – except have the carriers on station.



This is an understatement.

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.

Grey Hunter posted:

The loss of Tarawa is a blow, but there is not much I could have done – except have the carriers on station.

How many base points is Tarawa worth vs 5 tankers and change?

Also, think how badly this exchange would have went if the Kido Butai didn't have essentially free range right now.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009


"Heavy fires" probably describes the city of Hankow as well as the City of Hankow.

12 March 1943

British destroyer Lightning, torpedoed near Bizerte by German E-boat.

i81icu812
Dec 5, 2006
Okay, give me the La Brea as lucky ship number 3.

I've got a feeling about this one!

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


i81icu812 posted:

Okay, give me the La Brea as lucky ship number 3.

I've got a feeling about this one!

Is it a sinking feeling?

RA Rx
Mar 24, 2016

So, the US respawn got turned off in a recent update, right? Do we know what version Grey is on or does it keep updating?

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

Lord Koth posted:

edit: Holy poo poo, I just noticed there are 3 Minekaze-class destroyers in the Kidou Butai's escort screen. Those ships were obsolete by the beginning of the war, let alone now - they should be on permanent convoy and patrol duty, not escorting a main battle fleet. :psyduck:
That's the Grey Hunter we've come to know and love.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Lord Koth posted:

edit: Holy poo poo, I just noticed there are 3 Minekaze-class destroyers in the Kidou Butai's escort screen. Those ships were obsolete by the beginning of the war, let alone now - they should be on permanent convoy and patrol duty, not escorting a main battle fleet. :psyduck:

So here's a question: would someone know that the Minekaze-class destroyers aren't fit for main battle fleet duty just by looking at their stats in the game? Maybe comparing them to another destroyer?

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
They're a good ten knots slower than you want them to be.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
So,, presuming that Grey does switch up the escort screen for the Carriers, how long before realistically he can launch a counterattack to retake Taraway or otherwise put it under seige? And nice showing. That's a lot of Allied Tankers..

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Cantorsdust posted:

How many base points is Tarawa worth vs 5 tankers and change?

Also, think how badly this exchange would have went if the Kido Butai didn't have essentially free range right now.

Value to Japan - 125 (Base 25)
Value to Allies - 10 (Base 02)


i81icu812 posted:

Okay, give me the La Brea as lucky ship number 3.

I've got a feeling about this one!

The Raleigh took two bombs, and its unlikely that it would've sunk. That being said, I'll put up the new lucky ship, but if it turns out Raleigh is still alive I'll have to penalize excessive claiming!


gradenko_2000 posted:

So here's a question: would someone know that the Minekaze-class destroyers aren't fit for main battle fleet duty just by looking at their stats in the game? Maybe comparing them to another destroyer?


The Minekaze is actually rated at a top speed of 35 (Presumably knots). This top speed is actually the second highest of all Japanese Destroyer classes, tied with the Kamikaze-class destroyers; the top speed is held by the Shimakaze-class Destroyers at 38 knots.

The main problem with the Minekaze destroyers is that they have low endurance (meaning they need to refuel more often), as well as being on the lower end of durability, but having a higher maneuverability.

Their speed is equal to whatever the aircraft carriers are, and they cruise at the same speed.

i81icu812
Dec 5, 2006

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Value to Japan - 125 (Base 25)
Value to Allies - 10 (Base 02)


The Raleigh took two bombs, and its unlikely that it would've sunk. That being said, I'll put up the new lucky ship, but if it turns out Raleigh is still alive I'll have to penalize excessive claiming!



The Minekaze is actually rated at a top speed of 35 (Presumably knots). This top speed is actually the second highest of all Japanese Destroyer classes, tied with the Kamikaze-class destroyers; the top speed is held by the Shimakaze-class Destroyers at 38 knots.

The main problem with the Minekaze destroyers is that they have low endurance (meaning they need to refuel more often), as well as being on the lower end of durability, but having a higher maneuverability.

Their speed is equal to whatever the aircraft carriers are, and they cruise at the same speed.

Are you doubting the veracity of Japanese reporting?!?

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

I don't have the game, but I'd guess their offensive ratings are also decently lower than later destroyers, given their terrible guns and the slight issue that they don't - and can't - carry Long Lances. They have 53 cm torpedo tubes, while the Long Lance was a 61 cm torpedo. They are admittedly rather fast, as you mentioned, but so long as you're fast enough to keep up with the CVs (insert incoherent mumbling at Grey previously having Katori/Kashima escorting the Kido Butai here :v:), your speed as a fleet escort isn't terribly important beyond that - you're not really supposed to be wandering away from them to go hunting, after all.

Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Mar 13, 2017

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Not having Long Lances just means its smarter to have them on carrier escort duty since your carriers shouldn't be fighting anyone anyways.




i81icu812 posted:

Are you doubting the veracity of Japanese reporting?!?

Without a game-changing option that Grey has not turned off? Yes.

whitewhale
Feb 21, 2013
So how many tonnes of shipping has gone down in the past week? And I would expect a few confirmations to come trickling through over the next month.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

whitewhale posted:

So how many tonnes of shipping has gone down in the past week? And I would expect a few confirmations to come trickling through over the next month.

61306 tons total for allied ships.

51550 of those tons are merchant shipping (Cargo Ships)

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Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Not having Long Lances just means its smarter to have them on carrier escort duty since your carriers shouldn't be fighting anyone anyways.


Without a game-changing option that Grey has not turned off? Yes.

Really the big problem is the Minekaze have worthless AA. All Japanese AA is lovely but at least the Akitsuki class can throw up some shots and disrupt bombing runs. One of the biggest reasons late war carrier battles favor the allies is the amazing amount of AA they get between destroyers and CLAAs, not to mention on the carriers themselves. Even if a strike gets through CAP naval AA just ends up shredding the fragmented groups as they come in.

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