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Improbable Lobster posted:There's a biiig difference between communism and fascism my friend Tell that to the people killed by Stalin. Ahh, but no TRUE communism ever led to anything but a perfect world. Shangri-Law School posted:Nah, they love noble failure, it lets them avoid sullying themselves with the corrupt world. The Judean People's Front Crack Suicide Squad lives. They excuse their own failure. Failure in others is just a sign that they didn't ever care enough to do something. For example, Hillary Clinton doesn't care about improving Americans healthcare. Yes, that's a real thing they kept saying.
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Fulchrum posted:Tell that to the people killed by Stalin. Capitalism kills more people than communism ever has. But you know, I guess that actual factual differences in political thought don't matter when you're trying to own those silly commies
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Shangri-Law School posted:Nah, they love noble failure, it lets them avoid sullying themselves with the corrupt world. The Judean People's Front Crack Suicide Squad lives. http://www.salon.com/2016/12/02/i-w...ard-roundtable/ Fulchrum posted:Tell that to the people killed by Stalin. quotin myself: loquacius posted:There is no significant communist faction in 21st-century America
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Sandpuppy posted:Bonus Sutton Animated gif: 
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ah! papa! I should so hate to happen upon one of these damnable "Bernard Brothers" on one of my morning constitutionals. They sound so dreadful. He might do a genocide upon my person and I should have to summon the constabulary!
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Improbable Lobster posted:Capitalism kills more people than communism ever has. Yeah, and the common cold kills more people yearly than the black death does. Mainly because one is actually here in the present and one is not.
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Mar 13, 2017 20:07
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Fulchrum posted:Yeah, and the common cold kills more people yearly than the black death does. Mainly because one is actually here in the present and one is not. Then why are you contributing to what in your own metaphor is a concerted anti-black-death argument? What's the point?
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Mar 13, 2017 20:09
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It's like people like Fish or Rall are utterly unable to comprehend what Trump is and what he means. Obama is just a "ruthlessly self-serving" as Trump. As much of a Hitler.
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loquacius posted:Then why are you contributing to what in your own metaphor is a concerted anti-black-death argument? What's the point? Because the black death is bad. It killed a big amount of people when it was around. So we worked to make it not around. And you seem to think it not being around is an argument in its favor. "Look how many people are not killed by the black death. This proves the black death is really good." I seem to recall a similar argument coming from Scalia. You get how this works?
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Fulchrum posted:Yeah, and the common cold kills more people yearly than the black death does. Mainly because one is actually here in the present and one is not. This is an incoherent metaphor. Maybe you should lay down for a minute, take a nap or something Fulchrum posted:Because the black death is bad. It killed a big amount of people when it was around. So we worked to make it not around. And you seem to think it not being around is an argument in its favor. "Look how many people are not killed by the black death. This proves the black death is really good." No, because what you are saying makes absolutely no sense in the context of comparing Communism to Fascism.
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Fulchrum posted:Because the black death is bad. It killed a big amount of people when it was around. So we worked to make it not around. And you seem to think it not being around is an argument in its favor. "Look how many people are not killed by the black death. This proves the black death is really good." do I have to requote that post a second time or what no one is arguing for communism Improbable Lobster is doing it in an academic sense I guess, but no major American faction in the 21st century is advocating Soviet-style communism. You are arguing with a strawman.
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Mar 13, 2017 20:19
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loquacius posted:do I have to requote that post a second time or what I was only arguing that there is a significant difference between fascism and communism and, later, capitalism. Fulchrum seems to think that people dying under a communist regime makes it the same as a fascist regime.
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Mar 13, 2017 20:22
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Stop. Conflating. Dissimilar. Items.
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Improbable Lobster posted:This is an incoherent metaphor. Maybe you should lay down for a minute, take a nap or something No, it's an accurate metaphor. The original argument is comparing something that is around now, with something that is not, and attempting to use the widely different time frames to make a fallacial argument. If this was in any way a worthwhile argument at its core, the line would be "more people died in the US in [year in the cold war] than in the USSR in the same year". But that was never true. So you need to be slimy and make a misleading and poor argument to cover up the truth.
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Mar 13, 2017 20:23
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Fulchrum posted:Because the black death is bad. Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death#Social.2C_environmental.2C_and_economic_effects
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Improbable Lobster posted:This is an incoherent metaphor. Maybe you should lay down for a minute, take a nap or something If you had argued fascism vs. Communism only, that might have some merit. But you didn't. Your line was "Capitalism kills more people than communism ever has".
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Fulchrum posted:No, it's an accurate metaphor. The original argument is comparing something that is around now, with something that is not, and attempting to use the widely different time frames to make a fallacial argument. My argument was that communism and fascism is different. You replied "nu-uh, stalin killed people". I said that capitalism killed people because I assumed that you were smart enough to realize that people dying under different political regimes doesn't make those regimes the same or even similar.
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Potato Salad posted:Stop. Conflating. Dissimilar. Items. W/r/t conflating fascism with communism, or conflating New-Deal social-democratic capitalism with communism? Because one of those things is dumber than the other, but both have happened in the last two pages and fit your post p well
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Improbable Lobster posted:My argument was that communism and fascism is different. You replied "nu-uh, stalin killed people". I said that capitalism killed people because I assumed that you were smart enough to realize that people dying under different political regimes doesn't make those regimes the same or even similar. No, you said Capitalism killed MORE people.
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 Guardian:  "Ben Jennings on David Davis's Brexit warning – MPs will have to choose between a deal brokered by Theresa May and crashing out of the bloc on World Trade Organisation terms in a hard Brexit, David Davis has suggested" Telegraph:  Sister Sledge singer Joni dies at 60 Independent:   Times: 
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Fulchrum posted:No, you said Capitalism killed MORE people. Which is completely incidental to you being too stupid to understand that I wasn't trying to defend communism or Stalin or whatever it is you think I'm doing. The only thing I tried to argue was that communism =/= fascism.
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I see we are back to the, "these lefties can't deny an argument founded upon a core of death=bad, let's compare communism and fascism in uninteresting ways, frame the relaively-moderate economic tenets of Classic Liberalism or Social Democracy as communistic and checkmate these Libtards"
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loquacius posted:W/r/t conflating fascism with communism, or conflating New-Deal social-democratic capitalism with communism? You're giving me too much credit, but yes
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Fulchrum posted:You get how this works? Having seen my share of political venn diagrams people draw up to try to support shaky analysis, hoooo boy yes. A good, what, third? quarter? of the AGC in this thread is enabled by awful, overly-simplistic contrasts drawn between items meant to be intellectual killshots that underscore the artist's own gross incompetence or lack of information Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:No, you said Capitalism killed MORE people. Capitalism doesn't kill its winners, it kills its losers. How'd India do? How'd Ireland do?
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This post was gong to be a list of quoted A Good Cartoon examples, but Jesus I can't pick. Just hit the back button and pay attention to comics with tu quoque / "no u" punchlines.
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Personally I think the rich should be hunted for sport, but whatever, I can see that you still have a lot of growing up to do.
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Oodalally! Every town has its ups and downs. Sometimes ups outnumber the downs, but not in Washington 
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Improbable Lobster posted:Capitalism kills more people than communism ever has. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Famines_in_British_India https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium#Exploitation.2C_atrocities.2C_and_death_toll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States Again, not attempting to defend the USSR. Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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The bestial, criminal Irish-man should have been sent back where he came from ages ago. A Puck cartoon.
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Skippy Granola posted:Oodalally! I'm glad I'm not the only one who had this thought.
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A representative example, to be sure.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I'm glad I'm not the only one who had this thought. That was my favourite movie when I was a wee one
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Improbable Lobster posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Famines_in_British_India ~30 Million Deaths 1760 - 1930 Let's put the death count at 60 Million to account for lack of slavery death toll in US. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward 45 - 55 Million Dead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor 5 Million Dead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_Killing_Fields 2 - 3 Million Dead Let's also realize Capitalism has been utilized as a form of government for hundreds of years, Communism less than a hundred. So Communism has killed on par as many people as Capitalism in a third or less of the time. And The indian starvations lasted hundreds of years and killed 30 million. The GLF killed 55 million people in less than 4 years.
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Shangri-Law School posted:A representative example, to be sure. Yeah you're right, I should have done what you did in the post I was responding to and taken down a nameless arbitrary anonymous strawman instead of Clinton's communications director
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CBO report is out for RyanCare, and shocker of shockers, the bill's a steaming turd that will gently caress over Trump's voters especially. I expect the usual suspects to either 1) ignore it completely and HA HA LOOK OVER THERE A CRYBABY LIB or 2) "if only the dumb elephants would stop repairing the thing labeled 'Obamacare' then awesomeness would happen"
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