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Captain Scandinaiva posted:It came back to bite us in the rear end?? But problem went away. "gently caress off, we're full." If liberalism survives that world at all, it's going to be liberalism within militarized borders.
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fuckin' asselineau on tf1 lol le candidat du frexit
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Sinteres posted:Erdogan says he's taking the Netherlands to the European Court of Human Rights, and somehow managed not to die from acute irony poisoning. This sure is one glorified pissing contest between two leaders trying to win voters in their respective nations by posturing. Obviously none of them are backing down since they both massively benefit by nationalist sentiments being drummed up. Seriously, why is this even getting media coverage anymore.
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MiddleOne posted:This sure is one glorified pissing contest between two leaders trying to win voters in their respective nations by posturing. Obviously none of them are backing down since they both massively benefit by nationalist sentiments being drummed up. Seriously, why is this even getting media coverage anymore. Even if they're squabbling for cynical reasons, the fact that NATO allies are fighting on that level is genuinely newsworthy. Actions have consequences, even if they're dumb actions. This isn't the kind of rhetoric that's forgotten a week later.
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Sinteres posted:"gently caress off, we're full." If liberalism survives that world at all, it's going to be liberalism within militarized borders. now if we move away from this best-case scenario...
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Kurtofan posted:fuckin' asselineau on tf1 lol The equal telly time requirement is a godsend. Asselineau or Dupont-Aignan having to explain for hours that their platform is "FN, but not as successful" is a nice bit of comic relief in this election
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Sinteres posted:Even if they're squabbling for cynical reasons, the fact that NATO allies are fighting on that level is genuinely newsworthy. Actions have consequences, even if they're dumb actions. This isn't the kind of rhetoric that's forgotten a week later. What consequences? The Netherlands is a small tax-haven, it doesn't have any reason's to give a poo poo what Turkey thinks and much less so in election season when bowing down to foreign power ran by a in all but name modern day sultan would be giving Gert Wilders everything he's ever dreamed of. Unless Erdogan breaks the refugee agreement for a dispute of this little importance, which mind you would burn what little diplomatic bridges he has left with Germany, he has no chips to barter here. This seems like precisely the kind of empty rhetoric that will get swept under the rug the moment it stops being useful for both parties.
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Sinteres posted:Even if they're squabbling for cynical reasons, the fact that NATO allies are fighting on that level is genuinely newsworthy. Actions have consequences, even if they're dumb actions. This isn't the kind of rhetoric that's forgotten a week later. Meh, we can live with it. I mean, Turkey is still illegally occupying EU territory in northern Cyprus after decades and Greece and Turkey have been at each others throat for much longer than that. NATO has been a big dysfunctional family for a looong time
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Kurtofan posted:fuckin' asselineau on tf1 lol
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Meh, we can live with it. I mean, Turkey is still illegally occupying EU territory in northern Cyprus after decades and Greece and Turkey have been at each others throat for much longer than that. NATO has been a big dysfunctional family for a looong time Well, what I mean is that I don't think the nationalism being whipped up in these campaigns is going to be safely put back in a box when it's no longer convenient. The people of these countries are being taught to hate and fear one another. blowfish posted:now if we move away from this best-case scenario... Yeah. The future isn't going to be pretty.
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Sinteres posted:Well, what I mean is that I don't think the nationalism being whipped up in these campaigns is going to be safely put back in a box when it's no longer convenient. The people of these countries are being taught to hate and fear one another. Yeah but that's been the political climate of every EU member state with no exceptions since 2015.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:11
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It's so ridiculous that Turkey actually joining the EU in the foreseeable future was a legitimate scare tactic used in the Brexit campaign as if it was even remotely plausible.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:It's so ridiculous that Turkey actually joining the EU in the foreseeable future was a legitimate scare tactic used in the Brexit campaign as if it was even remotely plausible. Yeah. They're joining any day now. Sure. Totally within the next
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blowfish posted:Yeah. They're joining any day now. Sure. Totally within the next Well, we have no idea how things will look in 5-10 years. While I would agree that is unlikely, you could see a scenario where Erdogan loses the referendum and over the next years internal conflicts in the AKP lead to it's downfall with a new EU-friendly government in power, do everything the EU wants and get rewarded with the membership. Probably a sub 10% chance that this happens, but who would have predicted that Donald J. Trump becomes US president and the UK leaves the EU ten years ago?
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GaussianCopula posted:Well, we have no idea how things will look in 5-10 years. While I would agree that is unlikely, you could see a scenario where Erdogan loses the referendum and over the next years internal conflicts in the AKP lead to it's downfall with a new EU-friendly government in power, do everything the EU wants and get rewarded with the membership. It's a lot easier for things to go wrong than for things to go right.
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GaussianCopula posted:Well, we have no idea how things will look in 5-10 years. While I would agree that is unlikely, you could see a scenario where Erdogan loses the referendum and over the next years internal conflicts in the AKP lead to it's downfall with a new EU-friendly government in power, do everything the EU wants and get rewarded with the membership. What a crap comparison. If any of the constituent parts of the UK or states of the US had a veto over Brexit or Trump then it wouldn't happen. EU members have a veto over new members. Even if a EU friendly super-government swept to power in Turkey it'd still be a long shot.
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Why did we even consider Turkey joining Europe in the first place, erdogan or not
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unpacked robinhood posted:Why did we even consider Turkey joining Europe in the first place, erdogan or not We didn't.
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throw to first drat IT posted:https://vimeo.com/207997372 Pro click. There's a GBS gold thread somewhere in this.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Why did we even consider Turkey joining Europe in the first place, erdogan or not To annoy the Soviets.
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GaussianCopula posted:Well, we have no idea how things will look in 5-10 years. While I would agree that is unlikely, you could see a scenario where Erdogan loses the referendum and over the next years internal conflicts in the AKP lead to it's downfall with a new EU-friendly government in power, do everything the EU wants and get rewarded with the membership.
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GaussianCopula posted:To annoy the Soviets. and then end of history, a glorious thousand years of low effort liberalism, etc.
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Vive la France.
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Is France enjoying a reverse-SYRIZA move, where the more rational middle-left destroys the traditional left.
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GaussianCopula posted:rational middle-left None of those words apply to Macron, except maybe "middle"
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MiddleOne posted:What consequences? The Netherlands is a small tax-haven, it doesn't have any reason's to give a poo poo what Turkey thinks and much less so in election season when bowing down to foreign power ran by a in all but name modern day sultan would be giving Gert Wilders everything he's ever dreamed of. Unless Erdogan breaks the refugee agreement for a dispute of this little importance, which mind you would burn what little diplomatic bridges he has left with Germany, he has no chips to barter here. This seems like precisely the kind of empty rhetoric that will get swept under the rug the moment it stops being useful for both parties.
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So France moves on from the President Normal to the President Mediocre.
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Mais quelle grosse merde blowfish posted:So France moves on from the President Normal to the President Mediocre. LOL, welcome to 2014.
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Kassad posted:Mais quelle grosse merde One step further into the two party state 
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Entropist posted:The Netherlands is the sixth biggest economy in the EU actually, with a larger GDP than Turkey. What Turkey thinks kind of matters to them because there is a fairly large population with Turkish heritage in their country that the Turkish government is trying to control. For the AKP in particular the expat Turks are important because a) They are mostly from Anatolia, the more conservative (some might say backwater) part of Turkey, where the AKP is traditionally strong b) They don't experience the current situation in Turkey first hand, but have to rely on Erdogan controlled media
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So about this war of words not mattering: https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/841409249485967360
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Sinteres posted:So about this war of words not mattering: Let's build a wall and make Turkey pay for it.
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blowfish posted:Let's build a wall and make Turkey pay for it. You are Wolfgang Schäuble and I claim my five pounds.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:It's so ridiculous that Turkey actually joining the EU in the foreseeable future was a legitimate scare tactic used in the Brexit campaign as if it was even remotely plausible. Ironically the UK were the biggest promoter of Turtry*. *Turkey entry. Because everything needs godawful portmanteau names that make your eyes barf blood when you see them.
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Sinteres posted:So about this war of words not mattering: It's ok, we can let Macedonia and Albania to stop the hordes. Greece can handle the rest.
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Greece just needs 300 good men. And apparently The Netherlands was really close to having an event at the Turkish embassy or some place like that on the Saturday after the elections, but Erdogan had to posture at a rally and that pretty much ended dropped a nuke on the negotiations.
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Cat Mattress posted:Ironically the UK were the biggest promoter of Turtry*. sounds like the most disgusting sandwich filling available in the cheap train startion kiosk Mierenneuker posted:Greece just needs 300 good men. Whatever happens, Greece has got German-made machine guns, and they have, too, actually.
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GaussianCopula posted:Is France enjoying a reverse-SYRIZA move, where the more rational middle-left destroys the traditional left. I'd ask you why you think neoliberalism is rational when it's failed for the last 30 years, but: https://twitter.com/Nordpresse/status/841424895141642240 Turns out the Valls thing was a prank from "satirical" "website" Nordpresse. Saying it like that, you'd be tempted to check out their website for more jokes, and you'd find none. They're just one of those unfunny The Onion ripoffs that mostly exists to fool people who aren't paying attention into reporting what they publish.
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