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Synthbuttrange posted:There is another Kim. And there we have it. No wonder China didn't seem too bothered about the assassination: they had a backup.
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Park's impeachment has been upheld by the court. Where does South Korea go from here?quote:Judges unanimously upheld Parliament's decision to impeach her over her role in a corruption scandal involving close friend Choi Soon-sil. Ms Park's dismissal from office means South Korea must now elect a new president by early May. She also loses her presidential immunity and can be prosecuted. Ms Park had been suspended from presidential duties since December, with the country's prime minister taking over her responsibilities. Ms Choi meanwhile has been charged with bribery and corruption for allegedly pressuring big companies to give money in return for government favours. Ms Park has been accused of colluding with her.
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Hwang Gyo-an remains head of state until May (things move fast there!) when Moon Jae-in is inevitably elected president. It's awesome. No conservative escaped clean from the fetid shitpile of the Park presidency and they're not going to be able to field a candidate with any sort of chance at the office for... a while at least. Also lol at the violent protests from the "pro-Park supporters" going on right now. I guess a couple hundred people found out that they weren't going to get paid for this poo poo after all!
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What's Moon Jai-in going to do with regard to North Korea, China, and THAAD?
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Cugel the Clever posted:Park's impeachment has been upheld by the court. Where does South Korea go from here? Oh wow, I really didn't expect them to actually flex that particular power.
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So I was looking at presidential election maps on Wikipedia and I'm asking you Korea-knowledgeable peeps: What's the deal with the southwestern provinces (Jeolla, is that it?) reliably voting against the GNP/Saenuri while the east coast is solidly conservative? Reminds me of Socialist-voting Aquitaine in France. I mean, Seoul is easy to understand, big cities vote differently from the countryside and all. ('Murica!) ecureuilmatrix fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Yeah that's Jeolla. It's always been more left wing; as for why, well, the explanation I've heard is that it and Gyeongsang (the region in the southeast) were the two dominant regions in South Korea, but all but one of South Korea's presidents have come from the latter, and so massively developed Gyeongsang while leaving Jeolla and its people out to dry. The people of Jeolla, being upset about this, generally vote against the candidates from Gyeongsang. This explanation incidentally comes from my friends from Gyeongsang, so I'm sure there's no bias there.
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loving fat kim is digging a big hole to do underground nuclear test again. Yet pissbaby has not farked anything toward the Korea direction.
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What's the scoop on Moon Jae-In? Is he really going to restart the sunshine policy, give in to china and give Kim a free hand? Or is that just salty Korean conservatives shitposting. I've been reading a lot of BR Myers, and I think it's starting to make me paranoid... I've internalized the idea that the North Korean elite have reunification as their endgame, probably using the real or implied threat of nuclear use as their cudgel, and at least enough of the South Korean public would be alright with it because the North has well established racial purity bona fides, while the southern state is perceived as fractious, corrupt and effete. Trying to google for anything deeper than the typical WSJ article on the subject mostly returns Korean rightists/leftists viciously arguing at each other or western academics sniping at each other's Korean skills. Heer98 fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Reunification is dead in the water. NK knows it's a pipe dream, and loving nobody in SK actually wants to collapse their economy for the ~pride of true Choseon~ or whatever the gently caress TsarZiedonis posted:...and at least enough of the South Korean public would be alright with it because the North has well established racial purity bona fides... Is just totally loving wrong and blatantly racist. I don't read Myers and I don't know if this is something you got from him or you made up yourself but I'm really finding it difficult to articulate how dumb an idea of this is and how insanely orientalist it is. South Koreans, a people who fought tooth and nail for a true republic and just ousted their democratically-elected president in large part due to an amazing, massive, sustained nonviolent protest would be alright with resigning themselves to a life under the heel of a Kim because they're ~racially pure~. Go gently caress yourself. Or, gently caress BR Myers. Or both. Moon Jae-in will likely take a (slightly) warmer stance on NK which will do a lot better than the SK conservative HARD ON COMMIES that has done nothing except keep getting them elected by an increasingly elderly constituency. He's not going to "give in" to China (why would he? to what benefit? They'll ease up on Lotte?  ). The only real question is THAAD but they're trying to cram it in ASAP and he'll probably acquiesce.
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https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/841363489268649984 Why would they announce that?
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deep web creep posted:Reunification is dead in the water. NK knows it's a pipe dream, and loving nobody in SK actually wants to collapse their economy for the ~pride of true Choseon~ or whatever the gently caress The furthest Myers goes in that direction is to say that he finds South Koreans to be almost as xenophobic as North Koreans at times, and is disturbed by South Korean media that buys into the idea that the DPRK is the truly Korean Korea for Koreans. And that the Korean people are more patriotic about the concept of minjok than they are about their actual state. (If I remember right, ROK soldiers started pledging loyalty to the state rather than the minjok just a few years ago.) But he states much more emphatically that if you ask a South Korean about reunification, they want it "someday," i.e. not at all, because of the huge cost. And because of a general lack of interest on the part of anyone who isn't old. He event mentioned that most of the students in his DPRK-related classes are foreign students. Edit: Oh, I see you live in Korea. He mentioned in an interview that there was a popular movie last year about a joint DPRK-ROK operation to catch a gang of Northern defectors, and that the Northern officer was played by a "cool Tom Cruise type" while his Southern counterpart was a doddering bureaucrat. Can you tell me what the hell movie it was? Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Ich bin ein Pyongyanger. E: Well I tried it out, just doesn't have the same ring to it
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Halloween Jack posted:I can kinda see how he's getting that from reading Myers, but I surmise that it's based on a partial reading. You certainly wouldn't get that viewpoint from his interviews and talks. A great google search says it's likely this. http://m.scmp.com/week-asia/society/article/2069926/what-film-featuring-k-pop-star-reveals-about-north-koreas
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By the way, has anyone else here ever actually read Juche texts? I have, and they are indeed the most stupefying repetitive drivel I've ever encountered. Kim il Sung's addresses read like a chatbot that was only fed a few tweets worth of Marxist rhetoric interspersed with grandpa's stories about the war. The official stuff has this curiously mirrored structure, where the same exact phrase will repeat at the beginning and the end of a two or three paragraph long passage, in the hopes that that's enough space that you won't notice the repetition. The stuff penned by sympathetic foreign scholars is marginally better, but tends to be chock full of declaration after declaration backed up by nothing at all.
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that's what soviet communist writings were like, and what chinese communist writing is like. that's pretty much how it goes in marxism-leninism, nothing special about NK there
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Halloween Jack posted:By the way, has anyone else here ever actually read Juche texts? I have, and they are indeed the most stupefying repetitive drivel I've ever encountered. Kim il Sung's addresses read like a chatbot that was only fed a few tweets worth of Marxist rhetoric interspersed with grandpa's stories about the war. The official stuff has this curiously mirrored structure, where the same exact phrase will repeat at the beginning and the end of a two or three paragraph long passage, in the hopes that that's enough space that you won't notice the repetition. Goonswarm used to grief this online game of nationstate roleplaying, and we even had a juchebot that could spit out huge blocks of juche nonsense on command. It was great fun to post, at least up until people realized we were loving with them.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/841363489268649984 Why does Kim Jong-un launch rockets into the Sea of Japan and videotape simulated attacks on the Blue House?
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Halloween Jack posted:I can kinda see how he's getting that from reading Myers, but I surmise that it's based on a partial reading. You certainly wouldn't get that viewpoint from his interviews and talks. I'm sick at home so I took some time to read a little more of what I could find from Myers so I think maybe I understand a bit better than I did a few hours ago. The previous poster's understanding of Myers is still totally wrong, but also I think there is still something off of Myers' conception of minjok. I'm no... uh... Pyongyangologist, but it always seemed to me a far more romantic, almost abstract, notion than eg. when he argues that SK "excused" the Cheonan sinking because of it. I mean, it's still conceals that weird orientalist canard of "the Korean people CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THEIR PURE RACE" -- which I guess he needs to do because he literally wrote a book about that -- but at least in South Korea I have not found that to be true outside of, like, arch-conservative political groups. I also think you're thinking of Confidential Assignment. I haven't seen it but my wife says it was "pretty good".
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An interesting podcast from arms control wonk on DPRK business fronts - how they get around sanctions. http://armscontrolwonk.libsyn.com/glocom-and-dprk-fronts Including selling military radios: http://glocom-corp.com/index.php?page=history
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Halloween Jack posted:I can kinda see how he's getting that from reading Myers, but I surmise that it's based on a partial reading. You certainly wouldn't get that viewpoint from his interviews and talks. The movie in question is Confidential Assignment (공조) and its pretty clear someone just watched 1988s Red Heat and changed it from a USSR/USA buddy cop movie to a DPRK/RoK buddy cop movie. Nothing that has its origins in the work of James Belushi can have any real cultural significance.
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Do they argue over whether the K5 is better than some lovely Makarov ripoff?
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deep web creep posted:Moon Jae-in will likely take a (slightly) warmer stance on NK which will do a lot better than the SK conservative HARD ON COMMIES that has done nothing except keep getting them elected by an increasingly elderly constituency. He's not going to "give in" to China (why would he? to what benefit? They'll ease up on Lotte? Abandoning THAAD would absolutely look like giving in to China regardless of the real reasons because China has been publicly melting down over it ever since it was first announced. Moon Jai-in will probably be forced to keep it for that reason alone.
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Random Integer posted:Nothing that has its origins in the work of James Belushi can have any real cultural significance. Red Heat is a Walter Hill movie, as well as the only good thing the Bad Belushi has ever done. 
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Fojar38 posted:Abandoning THAAD would absolutely look like giving in to China regardless of the real reasons because China has been publicly melting down over it ever since it was first announced. Moon Jai-in will probably be forced to keep it for that reason alone. I think it's becoming pretty clear that it's an example of Jae-in being good at politics. He'll complain about THAAD but offer no real resistance because: 1) There is no cost and nothing to lose by making GBS threads on Trump 2) He'll get a baked-in excuse to China at the start of his presidency (the old administration did that thing you hate! Too late now~) and can maybe avoid whatever concession they're angling for 3) It'll do enough to placate the conservative pro-military, pro-US, anti-communist political factions while still letting him dunk on PGH forever and you're right that even if he thinks it's a terrible idea for a thousand other reasons, there's nothing left to do because it will look like he's giving in
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Tias posted:Goonswarm used to grief this online game of nationstate roleplaying, and we even had a juchebot that could spit out huge blocks of juche nonsense on command. It was great fun to post, at least up until people realized we were loving with them. Oh man, I forgot about that. I miss Juchebot. 
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Good thing the US is staying out of all the saber-rattlquote:Tillerson says ‘all options are on the table’ when it comes to North Korea "Kinetic options," huh?
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I hope fat kim shoot one out tomorrow to show pissbaby who is the boss.
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Which war do we want more: Civil War 2 or Korean War 2?
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chitoryu12 posted:Which war do we want more: Civil War 2 or Korean War 2? whynotbothgirl.gif
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deep web creep posted:BR Myers. I read The Cleanest Race and remember racial purity being discussed in relation to, specifically, North Korea propaganda. I don't remember a tie-in to the south or actual culture. Iirc, he argued that the central conceit of North Korea propaganda is that, "the Korean people are too pure blooded, and therefore too virtuous, to survive in an inherently evil world without a great paternal leader," hence the propaganda being bizarrely paternalistic with lots of references to the Korean people's mythic origins and the Kims' proximity thereto. And, again, I remember this being discussed in relation to the propaganda and what the (North Korean) state pushes.
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Without a great *maternal leader.
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poo poo, right, hence the chest so broad he can warmly embrace three or four comrades at a time and so on.
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He did discuss the (Imperial Japanese propaganda inspired) racial purity thing with regards to South Korea. Only to emphasize that the effects of it can still be observed to some degree in the South and that a not - insignificant number of people there legitimately believe it even in a connected society where evidence against it is readily available.
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whatever7 dunking on people in a second language is my favorite part of this thread
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the idea that Stalin and Stalinism were actually right wing is a very old one and goes way beyond NK and Fatty Kim to the big dog himself
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Accretionist posted:I read The Cleanest Race and remember racial purity being discussed in relation to, specifically, North Korea propaganda. I don't remember a tie-in to the south or actual culture. I haven't read that (although at this point I guess I should) but was going off of this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/opinion/28myers.html Where he says stuff like BR ''''''''''Korea Expert'''''''''' Myers posted:In South Korea, however, the North’s human rights abuses are routinely shrugged off with reference to its supposedly superior nationalist credentials. One often hears, for example, the mistaken claim that Mr. Kim’s father, Kim Il-sung, purged his republic of former Japanese collaborators, in alleged contrast to the morally tainted South. To his credit, I guess, I do agree that there is an undercurrent of "Koreans are too virtuous and naive and so are able to be easily taken advantage of" in South Korean culture but I think you have to reach pretty loving far to pin it on "...because they think they're too pure-blooded" for South Koreans. I don't know if it's because he's spent too long nose-deep in NK propaganda that now everything is colored a certain way to him but I think it might do him well to talk to his students sometimes, or something. Pentecoastal Elites fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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