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This is why Mr. Profit here is trash. Un-recyclable, poisoned trash that should be eradicated from the face of the planet.
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Greyarc posted:With that in mind, I'm sensing the creators might have an opinion about capitalism. Final Fantasy 7 was heavy-handed as gently caress with the old-vs-new message, right down to the architecture -- outside the big cities, almost every house looks like it had been standing for close to a century, then suddenly had copper pipings and steamworks jammed through its roof and exterior walls. That's before you even get into its theme of "electrical power is literally killing the world." Pittsburgh Lambic fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Mar 14, 2017 03:19
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Blademaster_Aio posted:This is why Mr. Profit here is trash. Un-recyclable, poisoned trash that should be eradicated from the face of the planet. Come on, the water joke wasn't THAT bad. 
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Profiteur's last name reference is pretty obvious. His first name, however, apparently means (basically) "destruction" or "ruin" in Latin. Pretty evocative. Fun fact about the name-puns for Bravely Default - apparently, a LOT of them work similarly in Japanese, not that I'd catch any of that: The Final Fantasy Wiki posted:Eloch Quentis Khamer VII The Final Fantasy Wiki posted:Erutus Profiteur Note that the wiki contains spoilers, so you shouldn't actually go searching for this stuff yourself if you haven't played BOTH games (Bravely Default/Bravely Second.) If this looks familiar, it's because I moved most of it from my previous post. Jumped the gun on mentioning Profiteur there. Oops.
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Epsilon Moonshade posted:If this looks familiar, it's because I moved most of it from my previous post. Jumped the gun on mentioning Profiteur there. Oops. I thought I was going crazy for a second there. Glad to know that I'm not totally bonkers quite yet.
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Aquasnake posted:I thought I was going crazy for a second there. Glad to know that I'm not totally bonkers quite yet. For having played the game as much as I have, I've been doing a pretty good job at avoiding overt spoilers. I debated whether to "move" the post or not, but I figure I might as well not "ruin" it (as much as you can ruin a character named Profiteur*, at least) for anyone catching up to the rest of the LP. And I still like the punny names. Edit: * Especially in light of Greyarc going out of their way to mention "hey, this might be a nice guy, let's talk to him! "
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Come on, the water joke wasn't THAT bad. It was terrible. How does he have the audacity to commit such an atrocity as a flat joke!
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:Final Fantasy 7 was heavy-handed as gently caress with the old-vs-new message, right down to the architecture -- outside the big cities, almost every house looks like it had been standing for close to a century, then suddenly had copper pipings and steamworks jammed through its roof and exterior walls. That's before you even get into its theme of "electrical power is literally killing the world." For years I thought mako was a stand-in for fossil fuels, because of the whole taking from the planet, finite resource thing. Then I was told, according to someone more familiar with Japan, it's a stand in for nuclear energy, and coal is seen as the more environmentally-friendly alternative. Many people in Japan are vehemently anti-nuclear, as became more evident after Fukushima, and since they import most of their fossil fuels, the large-scale negative effects associated with coal/natural gas/petroleum likely aren't as well known. In any case, coal at least has the advantage of not mutating beings into having extra legs and super-soldier capabilities. And that's enough non-Bravely Default talk from me.
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So I was going through the jobs again, and I forgot: What's the diference between the White Mage's Epic Group-Cast and the Black Mage's Group-Cast All?
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Junpei posted:So I was going through the jobs again, and I forgot: What's the diference between the White Mage's Epic Group-Cast and the Black Mage's Group-Cast All? It looks like the descriptions in the LP may be wrong. It appears that white mage group cast makes it so that group casting doesn't diminish effects whereas black mage group cast lets you multi-target spells that are normally single target only.
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Junpei posted:So I was going through the jobs again, and I forgot: What's the diference between the White Mage's Epic Group-Cast and the Black Mage's Group-Cast All? the White Mage's Epic Group-Cast: spell effects don't diminish when you group-cast them. the Black Mage's Group-Cast All: group cast even normally non group-cast magic. e;f,b.
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Geocities Homepage King posted:It looks like the descriptions in the LP may be wrong. It appears that white mage group cast makes it so that group casting doesn't diminish effects whereas black mage group cast lets you multi-target spells that are normally single target only. That's what I get for doing write-ups when overtired. Fixed.
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Let's Learn Jobs: Knight The Knight job is focused on physical defense and the protection of allies, with the downside of low aptitude for magic and slower speed. As with other early-game jobs, Bravely Default's Knight is similar to Knight/Paladin jobs in other games. Though no healing is included in this version of the Knight, a decent mind stat allows the Knight to do decently with healing magic as job command.   Icons for the job are a suit of plate armor and a sword with a shield, the simple yet effective tools of the job.  High vitality and full use of heavy armor are the Knight's real strengths, making them overall a solid defensive choice.  Blue are support abilities, red are skill abilities. Level 1 - Stomp: Attack for 125% damage, debuffs user's physical and magic defenses to 75% for a turn. Level 2 - Two-Handed: If off-hand empty with sword/axe/spear/stave/katana equipped, physical attack doubled. (Cost: 1) Level 3 - Physical Defense 10% Up (Cost: 1) Level 4 - Ironclad: Raises physical defense to 150% at start of turn, lasting for turn duration. (5 MP) Level 5 - Protect Ally: Allows other jobs to equip the knight specialty. (Cost: 1) Level 6 - Shield Strike: Attack with shield and raise physical defense by 25% for two turns, up to 150%. (8 MP) Level 7 - Shield Lore: Raises shield aptitude to S. (Cost: 1) Level 8 - Vengeance: Attack all enemies, physical attack strengthened by number of dead allies. (Cost: 1) Level 9 - Sword Lore: Raises sword aptitude to S. (Cost: 1) Level 10 - Full Cover: Take damage in place of specified ally for duration of turn; damage taken is halved. Level 11 - Dual Shields: Equip two shields. (Cost: 1) Level 12 - Physical Defense 30% Up (Cost: 3) Level 13 - Chivalrous Spirit: Raise physical defense by 25%, up to 150%, for five turns whenever an ability protecting allies is used. (Cost: 1) Level 14 - Super Charge: Attack deals power of physical defense x 2 instead of physical attack. (1 BP) Several ways to increase defense and/or protect allies, a couple Lore abilities, plus the potentially powerful abilities Dual Shields and Super Charge.  A classic knight ability, this can be quite helpful during damage-heavy battles. Both the men and women are wearing pieces of Western plate armor, including pauldrons, gauntlets, tassets (attached to...the belt?), greaves, and sabatons. The guys are wearing blank white tabards and capes, with mail under what appears to be brigandines. The gals wear the ever-awkward and impractical bikini plate armor top, though this time with a cloth underlayer providing minimal protection (except Edea's thighs).    
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Mar 14, 2017 21:23
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I love how there's some kind of JRPG rule that female costumes can never be practical. Ever. There's one costume in particular that I'm thinking of, but it's a long ways off.
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Knight stat modifiers HP: +20% MP: -20% STR: +20% VIT: +40% INT: -30% MND: 0% DEX: -20% AGI: -20% Knights actually have the highest Vitality multiplier in the game, surprisingly from an early-game Job. Greyarc, have you thought of putting this information in your Let's Learn Jobs segments?
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I thought about it and decided against it. My goal with the Job posts is to give a short summary, list abilities so people can refer back when they're used, and show off the outfits. If people want complete min-maxing guides, there are plenty of other places online to get the info. That said, if other people want to talk about gameplay details as they've been doing, that's fine.
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Mar 15, 2017 04:17
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You'd think that of everything knights would just be armor for everybody but apparently not. FFV and FFT weren't this bad, were they? Or were the sprites just too low-res?
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Same artist 
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At least she's 100% covered. That's more than could be said for a LOT of female armor designs in fiction.
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Glazius posted:FFV and FFT weren't this bad, were they? Or were the sprites just too low-res? For FFV it varied, though Tetsuya Nomura's costume designs were usually pretty tame back then.
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Mar 15, 2017 07:59
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Well leotard dragoon faris comes to mind.
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I just want to say that it took me an embarrassingly long time to get the pun on Khamer.Tae posted:Same artist
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That description of Super Charge is wrong: it's actually an attack skill that costs 1 BP to perform and uses Defense x 2 as its damage stat, not a support ability.
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AnotherGamer posted:That description of Super Charge is wrong: it's actually an attack skill that costs 1 BP to perform and uses Defense x 2 as its damage stat, not a support ability. Fixed it.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:For FFV it varied, though Tetsuya Nomura's costume designs were usually pretty tame back then. God I miss his tame designs. Aya Breya was loving badass AND practical at the same time. Now it's turned to "Now...how can I incorporate belts and zippers on this outfit without seeming completely retarded?" and I don't wanna get started on "Third Birthday"
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The question I always had about him is was he always this crazy and either management / tech limited him or was has he just gotten lazy and realized "I can just slap belts and tits on everything and it'll be hailed as great design"
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Entry 19: Tiz Arrior and the 40 Thieves Last time: the party pursued a band of thieves into a desert cave, aiming to find both justice and treasure.  Speaking of...  Ow. After a clunking and hissing noise from nearby, the party got hit with a dense dark cloud.  Even damage across the board and all blinded.   What's--? My eyes! I can't see! Blind gas!? Where is it coming from!? Be careful, everyone! This is clearly a trap! Our aim is completely shot. We can't go rushing into melee attacks with Brave. Don't want to miss and then have to just stand there turn after turn! Still... Even blind, I can see to the core of a woman's heart, clear as day. Heh, the things that really matter can't be seen by the eye. ...Gah! Augh, Ringabel! Stop spouting gross nonsense and watch where you're stepping! Even when you're not blind, you can't see past your big, fat mouth! ...Ack! Oww, Edea, don't go stomping ar-- OW! Not again! Where are those eye drops!?While those three flail around, Agnès goes for the treasure. What's our prize?  Oh. This can buy... 1/20th of a potion.  So normally in this dungeon, you'd learn to avoid the traps and blindna/eye drops the party when you mess up. But I'm exploring without random battles, so the party's just going to run around blind. Sorry, guys.  Complete map shows two stairs leading down. The right stairway leads to a dead end with treasure.  A good old Final Fantasy star pendant. Silver is powerful stuff in fiction. Back upstairs and down the left staircase.   New item and complete map. How far down do these ruins go? Why did this ancient civilization build giant traps everywhere? Or were those added later?  Jeez, this seems extreme. Just stick with coffee, guys.  This dungeon is dark, and this corner is even darker. There's a hidden passage here, to the left.   Handy! Almost like we've got a real thief in the party! Now if only we could get our mitts on a pair of those thief gloves.  Another blue chest. Even the local thieves couldn't open it.  Further on, the path splits east and west, both passing through a gauntlet of traps. The party stumbles blindly on.  Treasure to the west includes our first bow. Bows hit like the dickens but require both hands. They are also always strong against flying enemies.  At the very end of the path, past another cluster of traps, are the gloves mentioned in the thief's knife description.  That would be great, if only we had...   As always, the Adventurer's ahead of us. After finally taking care of the party's eyesight and health, time to confront the thieves. 40 against 4... hope they're not all at home.  Cozy living area. Looks like they've been set up here a while.   The place is cleared out at the moment. Angry leader guy is all alone.  These guys have stolen more junk than they know what to do with.  This is our chance. Maybe down here in his cave, out of the heat, he'll be more chill.   Why do you persist in these awful deeds? You must return the articles you stole! Well that was pretty uncalled for.  And what? Don't tell me you came all this way just to vomit a few platitudes out on my floor. Feh. This place is nothing but sand and hypocrites! Drives a man mad... And this thirst. These daggers in my throat! All the water in the desert can't dull their edge. The people you robbed at the oasis were thirsty, too! They risked their lives to get at that water, and you-- Augh, spare me the lecture. You come to convert me?  Out here, honest lives end quick. The desert's a beast, and it's always hungry! The city's no different. There are only two kinds of folk in this world, make no mistake. The takers, and the taken from! Till the day came they couldn't feed their family of three, so they cut loose their kid and disappeared! They just left you? The city just took and took till they had nothing left. Their own brat became a burden, so they dumped him like a bag of sand! Daft, eh? Absolutely stupid. If surviving means pinching from other folk, I'll happily join the takers! Are you sure they left because you were a burden to them? Maybe they swallowed their tears and left you in the city in hopes that you, at least, could find happiness there. Aye, or maybe they left me because they didn't have the guts to kill me themselves! You don't know a stinking thing about them. You're right. I don't know their reasons. But they do. If they're still alive, you can go and ask them! You can track them down and make them explain themselves. Make them answer for their choices! You can yell and scream and fight as long as you like. As long as it takes. You can work on forgiving them! But you haven't done any of that. You've stayed here sulking and festering all your life. That's far dafter to me! My throat... This accursed thirst. It's worse than ever. You... this is your fault! You smug, delusional, self-righteous little lambs make me sick! I'll take everything... EVERYTHING from you!Should... should we really be fighting this guy? He needs a therapist, not a deadly beatdown.   Seems we don't have any more choice in the matter. Heh, aye, that's enough words. I'm choking on this lot's hypocrisy. I want them stripped to the bone! I care nothing for your reasons, and still less for your ideals. My assistance hinges only on the weight of your coin purse. She's heavy enough. You'll have your pay. So, Khint is working with/above both Profiteur and this thief, plus acting as a messenger for the Council of Six.  Time to see how tough he is.  Due to the surprise entry of Khint, the battle has two opponents.  Khint's fighting style is obvious straightaway: He spends a turn casting Sword Magic on his weapon, then for a few turns afterward dishes out hefty physical damage laced with whatever magic he put on. In this fight, he uses either magic adding additional fire damage or magic with a chance to silence the target.  The thief, Jackal, does comparatively little damage and no fancy attacks but has incredibly high evasion, making regular physical attacks against him nearly worthless. He will also sometimes steal a potion from the party.  ...And use it on himself. Taking one of the two opponents down to half health triggers a cutscene (battle cutscenes like this aren't available in the event viewer).   Your odds are poor, and I don't take poor clients. Go, then! They all abandon me in the end! Oh. Okay, then.  Left alone and in poor health, the Jackal starts Braving 4x.  His attacks don't hit for much, so it hurts him more than the party. Without Khint, he's easy.  Edea's been cutting away despite his evasion, and gets in the last blow.  Despite the party's attempts to persuade him otherwise, the ending of the Jackal's story is grim.  However, for their efforts, the party can now learn to steal from enemies.   Khint's battle entry shows up even though we didn't defeat him. This confirms he's got one of the asterisks. But first, the party need to finish what they came here for.  Ringabel wanders over.    The streets, they are full of people too poor to afford it. The sense of panic grows by the hour. That self-righteous fool of a prime minister comes to demand the price be lowered day after day. It will not be long now till the masses reach their limit. The poor will have no choice but to go to the oasis. That is where you will wait, armed and ready. Steal everything. And above all else, do not let them at the water. Your task is to ensure all of Ancheim is terrified of the oasis. Give them a welcome they will never forget. In time, they will understand that if they wish to survive, they will be buying the merchantry's water. No matter the price. But see you keep your mouth shut, yes? No one must know of our collaboration on this matter. If you are found out, the deal is cut off. Your head will be next. -- E. Profiteur Then... Those thieves were under the employ of the Khamer & Profiteur Merchantry. And the people's suffering? Did it mean nothing to them so long as they reaped a profit? ...Despicable. The people will continue to suffer as long as these degenerates hold the kingdom's water ransom. I say we storm the place and set this matter straight right now!The party nods in agreement. Sounds like we're continuing our rampage of justice right back to Ancheim. Next: The party confronts unregulated capitalism in the way they know best. -- Event Viewer Sub-Scenario: Thieving Jackal The Cause of the Water Shortage Party Chat: What the Eye Cannot See D's Journal: Jackal the Thief posted:
D's Journal: Harena Desert posted:Greyarc fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Mar 16, 2017 07:36
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Ciggma Khint is an anagram of Magic Knight, the class Spell Fencer is based on.  And, yeah, murdering Jackal seemed a bit excessive. Then again, one of his dislikes is "reasoning", so y'know. Also, I'm assuming his intense thirst is because Profiteur didn't let the thieves drink from the oasis either. Seems like the kind of rear end in a top hat-ish thing he'd do.
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Silver being used as protection against poison is actually an idea taken from the real world, not fantasy at least. In China, royalty would use silver chopsticks because it was believed that any poison in the food would cause them to darken. It didn’t really work out, but the thought was there. Not sure if the use of silverware is the same for western royalty or not.
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As seen in one of the screenshots, Jackal is another of the small handful of bosses who cheat a little during their fights - he heals 500HP from a Potion when the party normally only gets 150HP.
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EagerSleeper posted:Silver being used as protection against poison is actually an idea taken from the real world, not fantasy at least. In China, royalty would use silver chopsticks because it was believed that any poison in the food would cause them to darken. It didn’t really work out, but the thought was there. Silver does actually have antimicrobial properties, but theyre only useful in preventing further bacterial growth rather than for actively sterilizing (barring specialized silver compounds and the associated processes to effectively use them). So no throwing silver in poop water and expecting it to be clean later. Thus throwing silver coins in a well (an old practice) was kinda vindicated. But not really. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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I love how the reward that introduces you to the blind trap is a single coin. You can hear the game saying "ha ha gently caress you." And, of course: Edea and Ringabel.  The blue treasure chests piss me off. I'm pretty sure it's not spoiler-y to say that we do eventually get the key to open them, but all the backtracking to OPEN the drat things annoyed the hell out of me. It's definitely high on the list of my (admittedly few) complaints with this game - I'll probably come back to this when it's more relevant. I never liked Jackal. He's got the ~tragic backstory~ and all that, but the character (and pun/reference) just fell flat for me as being lazily done compared to the rest. I admit though, it could just be because of the lack of pun there. Hobgoblin2099 posted:Ciggma Khint is an anagram of Magic Knight, the class Spell Fencer is based on.  (also, we technically don't know his first name yet, but that's me being mock annoyed that you stole my schtick )I do have something to add to this eventually. But later. Epsilon Moonshade fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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Why would you sign the incriminating document detailing your conspiracy? 
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MechaCrash posted:Why would you sign the incriminating document detailing your conspiracy? Two parts "standard JRPG trope," one part "so you know the orders didn't come from some random schmuck"? Doesn't make it necessarily smart, but you can excuse it away.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Also, I'm assuming his intense thirst is because Profiteur didn't let the thieves drink from the oasis either. Seems like the kind of rear end in a top hat-ish thing he'd do. I always figured it was his guilty conscience. MechaCrash posted:Why would you sign the incriminating document detailing your conspiracy? Well, his plan also assumed the people wouldn't just riot instead.
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"The people are too poor to afford water, so I'll continue increasing the price! It's brilliant!" He really is a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
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MechaCrash posted:Why would you sign the incriminating document detailing your conspiracy? maybe he really cares about due process
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MechaCrash posted:Why would you sign the incriminating document detailing your conspiracy? (kinda)
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Also, I'm assuming his intense thirst is because Profiteur didn't let the thieves drink from the oasis either. Seems like the kind of rear end in a top hat-ish thing he'd do. Either that or it's an allusion/metaphor to his desire. Or greed. Eruza posted:I always figured it was his guilty conscience. Or conscience here. Also it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Profiteur had a plan for when the people would riot that consisted of 'taking his cash and GTFO-ing out.' Where he would be backstabbed by the thieves he hired (because guess what they're thieves) or the Council of Six (because now he's a liability to them.)
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