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Tiggum posted:I can't speak for counterfeitsaint, but I really have no idea what WhiskeyWhiskers's post meant. Responding to "[historical figure] was racist/sexist/whatever" with "well, that's just how things were back then" serves to inflate our esteem for people we might otherwise have a more mixed opinion of. Also, it ignores the fact that various forms of bigotry, while they were often more socially acceptable than they are today, were not universal; there were people pushing back against it, and "that's just what it was like in those days" can serve to minimize their efforts.
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We book readers know that the historical anolog for the OPA is the Taliban 
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Toast Museum posted:Responding to "[historical figure] was racist/sexist/whatever" with "well, that's just how things were back then" serves to inflate our esteem for people we might otherwise have a more mixed opinion of. Also, it ignores the fact that various forms of bigotry, while they were often more socially acceptable than they are today, were not universal; there were people pushing back against it, and "that's just what it was like in those days" can serve to minimize their efforts. You would have totally done it differently, of course.
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Why are people using our cool beltalowda (mild book spoilers) I predict a lot of very butthurt maoist-third worldists or whatever when the real OPA hardliners show up down the line
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Belters are bad and the Inners should genocide them.
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Platystemon posted:Belters are bad and the Inners should genocide them. Not to mention Belters dress like twiggy space hipsters
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gohmak posted:We book readers know that the historical anolog for the OPA is the Taliban Only in his head. By the time that load of delusional garbage comes out he's already on the road to ruin Book 6 is the weakest one which says a lot considering book 4.
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Platystemon posted:Belters are bad and the Inners should genocide them. Ey koyo, keep ya mout shut before some rocks drop ya!
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Platystemon posted:Belters are bad and the Inners should genocide them. Post isn't surprising given that goons are basically what belters believe earthers are like.
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Collateral posted:You would have totally done it differently, of course. Yup, that's what those words meant. Good job!
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figuring out which terrorist group the OPA is most like is the most fun this thread has had in days do not ruin it with book spoilers!! I say this as someone who read all six, though man tho, the last one was baaaaaad. Anyways, I still say Hamas. Though they appear to be trying to pull a Hizballah from what we saw in the last few episodes. I mean kinda, I can't think of a good example since we don't really have a case of a terrorist group grabbing nukes except for that one brief time when Pakistan almost lost a nuclear sub. but in terms of "unquestionably bad actors, with political legitimacy in some areas" it fits kinda. The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Belters are the IRA because goons have sympathy for them.
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gohmak posted:We book readers know that the historical anolog for the OPA is the Taliban Not All OPA
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Mormonism is a religion of peace. Belters are godless commies.
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I can't remember better twitter burns
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Holy poo poo that's amazing
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Grandma Panic! posted:Apparently i'm an idiot cuz I just now realized that Anderson Dawes is played by Jared Harris Jared Harris is also the son of Richard Harris, who is known now by younger types as the original Dumbledore but was also a great actor who was also a legendary drunkard (there are actually books dedicated to his exploits - I recommend "Hellraisers" by Robert Sellers which is hilarious) and for a while a supporter of the IRA.
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Smiling Jack posted:Uh Pakistan has no nuclear armed or nuclear powered subs last I checked Well then I'm remembering something else. Either way there was a huge security breach a few years back.
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The Iron Rose posted:Well then I'm remembering something else. Either way there was a huge security breach a few years back. Is that what the pharmacy called it when you stole some hallucinogenic stuff? "Huge security breach" doesn't appear in the script or novel forms of Hunt for Red October.
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gohmak posted:We book readers know that the historical anolog for the OPA is the Taliban The first book described the OPA as Hamas directly
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It's good to know that posters in this thread are morally superior to every freedom fighter, activist, revolutionary, in fact every single person throughout all of human history. I can't wait until the new 20 dollar comes out so I can point to it and loudly proclaim that Harriet Tubman was actually a literal piece of poo poo because she didn't stop what she was doing to fight for trans bathroom rights.
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Phi230 posted:The first book described the OPA as Hamas directly You know that was a book readers inside joke right? Of course the character I won't spoil was dead wrong.
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Smiling Jack posted:Holy poo poo that's amazing It's me, the guy who doesn't get the joke but asks for everyone who won't.
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Kingtheninja posted:It's me, the guy who doesn't get the joke but asks for everyone who won't. Gerry Adams is associated with the Irish Republican Army (IRA). The IRA used time bombs.
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Kingtheninja posted:It's me, the guy who doesn't get the joke but asks for everyone who won't. Gerry Adams is both a PIRA terrorist and a the head of the political wing of the PIRA, Sinn Fein. The PIRA used time bombs to kill a lot of people.
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counterfeitsaint posted:It's good to know that posters in this thread are morally superior to every freedom fighter, activist, revolutionary, in fact every single person throughout all of human history. Hmm, you would have a point if anyone in this topic had compared the OPA to an organisation that didn’t kill hundreds of innocent people.
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Earth is Luxembourg, Mars is Canada, and the OPA is Mongolia. It's pretty obvious if you've read the books.
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The Iron Rose posted:Well then I'm remembering something else. Either way there was a huge security breach a few years back. Are you confusing this with the Andre Braugher tv show Last Resort?
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Platystemon posted:Hmm, you would have a point if anyone in this topic had compared the OPA to an organisation that didn’t kill hundreds of innocent people. It has nothing to do with OPA. People in this thread are unironically arguing that you shouldn't respect or care about historical figures due to their lack of a 2017 set of values.
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Earth is the Judean Peoples' Front, Mars is the Popular Judean Front and the OPA is of course the heroic revolutionaries 
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counterfeitsaint posted:It has nothing to do with OPA. People in this thread are unironically arguing that you shouldn't respect or care about historical figures due to their lack of a 2017 set of values. I think the Cold War is not quite old enough or far enough from modern values to be lumping pro USSR revolutionaries in with Roman slavery or the crusades or whatever you happen to respect. History should be separated from politics or you just get lovely, partisan history anyway. That means taking out the admiration as well as the disgust 
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counterfeitsaint posted:It has nothing to do with OPA. People in this thread are unironically arguing that you shouldn't respect or care about historical figures due to their lack of a 2017 set of values. That happened precisely once so far as I can tell, and it was Castro, who was contemporary with the U.S. Civil Rights Movement. If Castro gets a pass on racism, why not George Wallace? Even with a pass, he’s no Harriet Tubman.
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The UN is modern day America, Mars is early post-revolution America, and the belt is pre-revolutionary America. But all from the alternate history where humans actually evolved from dinosaurs and King George was a "gray" alien sent to earth to stop the reptoids.
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counterfeitsaint posted:It has nothing to do with OPA. People in this thread are unironically arguing that you shouldn't respect or care about historical figures due to their lack of a 2017 set of values. You completely misunderstood my real objections to Castro. Which was my intent, but I'm not a TVIV regular and thought goons were more sophisticated over here. It's always nice when a long shot pays off. In the books Amos is trolling everyone with the allied psychopath routine and he's actually just a gender studies major who ran from his student loans and picked up spaceship engineering as a hobby while converting his passion for SJW campus politics into casual murder.
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