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JuffoWup posted:Yuro is back! His song selection is always what makes these videos.
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Iceshade posted:What drugs are you on? I can't say it's the best tier 7 but I have to agree with NTRabbit that it's not the poo poo box is used to be.
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The Pepsi has the same problem as the Shchors, it needs living teammates to be good. You can use your great guns to pelt people with HE, then vanish when you start drawing fire. If you can't take advantage of distracted targets, though, or if you get permaspotted, your extremely... "strong" armor will come into play... and we all know the meme about Pensacolas by now. The Myoko at least has the ability to bounce BB shells on top of being stealthier than the other 2, which is pretty strong. Of course, the Myoko can't do much about smoke clouds except torp them, so the Fiji and Belfast are a bit more "useful" in Ranked meta. But no tech tree T7 can do anything about smoke.
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Just finished the Tides of March challenge and got the Katori. It's...definitely a boat, I guess.
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Pensacola is a ballerina with a black belt, it's not even remotely like the Schors. For starters, it actually has AP ammo, which will gloriously gently caress over battleships for big damage chunks where the Schors peashooters bounce for nothing, let alone cruisers, where the Schors also bounces for nothing. The AP is so good I rarely even bother to switch to HE, unless I'm on a big DD hunt, or just want to start a couple fires for DoT before switching back. Secondly, Schors can't dodge, at all, or retreat; Pensacola can dance around shells and cut a quick turn between broadsides to get on out - and with the new spotting range dow to 13km before even putting any stealth gear on it, you can now run and disappear fairly easily. Pensacola actually plays most similar to Yorck, which I also enjoyed. I mean ok, Fiji, Myoko, Yorck, and now Pensacola are all very good, I just happen to like the way the Pensacola plays. Schors is no good though. Hazdoc posted:But no tech tree T7 can do anything about smoke. Yorck gets hydro, so does Fiji NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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I've got the Neptune now, and drat does it feel like an upgrade. 2x4 torps, crazy good AA, 4.5sec reload with the reload mod. I did really well in the Edinburgh, but somehow it felt like a downgrade from the Fiji even though it was more or less the same thing. I'm really looking forward to the Minotaur if this is the way the Neptune is going to be. e: that's 2x4 torps on each side Thundercakes fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Burt posted:I can't say it's the best tier 7 but I have to agree with NTRabbit that it's not the poo poo box is used to be. Yes, but "the new boss cruiser of tier 7" is stretching it a bit? It's still the papier-mâché tinderbox, it still has no torps, and it still has limited utility. It's no longer seen from space, but it's still going to be focused by everything as soon as it fires. You can attempt to "dance like a black belt ballerina" all you want, but that single 406mm shell is going to land somewhere on your deck and penetrate all the way down and take 15k health off you. The guns with its AP are good, which is pretty much its only redeeming quality. Except for the 15 second reload. e: And ok fine, the concealment is pretty okay now. Iceshade fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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NTRabbit posted:Pensacola is a ballerina with a black belt, it's not even remotely like the Schors. For starters, it actually has AP ammo, which will gloriously gently caress over battleships for big damage chunks where the Schors peashooters bounce for nothing, let alone cruisers, where the Schors also bounces for nothing. The AP is so good I rarely even bother to switch to HE, unless I'm on a big DD hunt, or just want to start a couple fires for DoT before switching back. Secondly, Schors can't dodge, at all, or retreat; Pensacola can dance around shells and cut a quick turn between broadsides to get on out - and with the new spotting range dow to 13km before even putting any stealth gear on it, you can now run and disappear fairly easily. I don't get how you can possibly say the Myoko, Yorck and Cola are in the same catagory as the Fiji. The smoke makes all the difference in the world for team utility and survival. And the Fiji is well back behind the Belfast because it lacks radar. The Myoko I can understand as a decent ship since it has good torps and high fire chance but the Yorck and Cola are still bottom rung and bring very little to a ranked team. NTRabbit posted:Yorck gets hydro, so does Fiji You can't possibly attempt to equate a 4.2 km (normal) or a 5.4km (german) hydro with a loving 8.5km radar.
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NTRabbit posted:For starters, it actually has AP ammo, which will gloriously gently caress over battleships for big damage chunks where the Schors peashooters bounce for nothing, let alone cruisers, where the Schors also bounces for nothing. Have you played the Shchors with IFHE? It has no problem penning BBs and cruisers where it needs to. Why would you even use Soviet CL AP in 95% of situations?
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Pacra posted:Have you played the Shchors with IFHE? It has no problem penning BBs and cruisers where it needs to. Why would you even use Soviet CL AP in 95% of situations? Yeah, I was wondering this too. IFHE makes the shchors way better than the finnicky ap shells of the pensacola. I'm saying this as I've been playing both since the patch. I would still rather play the shchors. IFHE not being as finnicky plus the fast reload makes it amazing. And that isn't counting the power of adrenaline rush. Pensacolas get shot immediately when spotted because everyone knows there is no armor on it. The shchors is priority target when spotted because thw combination of fire ticks and ifhe pens make them dangerous if ignored.
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If you have trouble with the game freezing up/crashing, try disabling the NVIDIA High Definition Audio device in Device Manager if you have Nvidia. Seems to have fixed it for me.
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The nice thing about the Shchors is that while you don't get the big hits like 203mm AP, you get really nice consistent damage out of its HE shells with IFHE. Plus if something suddenly gives you a nice surface to fire AP on, you can switch quick enough to pelt someone with them, then go back to HE to finish burning them down. Plus the whole Russian cruisers don't sent their shells into the upper atmosphere at longer ranges.
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MikeC posted:You can't possibly attempt to equate a 4.2 km (normal) or a 5.4km (german) hydro with a loving 8.5km radar. Of course it's not as good as radar, but it is a tool for dealing with smoke. Also, if you want to talk about them in terms of just ranked meta rather than random, then the only two any good are Fiji and Myoko. Belfast may have radar, but without torps it's unable to deal the kind of damage required to deal with 3 or 4 battleships in a 7 ship team, and yes, the most common team comp I see is 3 BB 3 CC 1 DD, followed by 4 BB 2 CC 1 DD, and then 2 BB 4 CC 1 DD. Pacra posted:Have you played the Shchors with IFHE? It has no problem penning BBs and cruisers where it needs to. Why would you even use Soviet CL AP in 95% of situations? I finished with Schors before IFHE came out, but it wouldn't matter anyway, because it still doesn't solve my biggest gripe with the ship, which is that it's a giant barge that has neither armour or WASD hacks, nor smoke or a high base stealth, making it the easiest cruiser to kill in the tier. This is combined with a DoT gun style that requires constant exposure and firing across the game to reach the total damage the IJN/USN/KM cruisers reach with concentrated bursts, same crippling problem every Russian cruiser has from tier 4 to 8, which is why they're all worthless. The only thing Chapayev has going for it is stealth firing, so you can actually continuously fire to maximise DoT like a smoked RN cruiser can, and once it loses that next patch there'll be no reason to choose it over 155 Mogami. JuffoWup posted:Yeah, I was wondering this too. IFHE makes the shchors way better than the finnicky ap shells of the pensacola. I'm saying this as I've been playing both since the patch. I would still rather play the shchors. The only good Russian cruiser tree is the one that starts at Kiev, and it's the only one I'd play voluntarily. Pensacola AP isn't finnicky either. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Altho I think the Schor deal more consistent damage at longer than the pensacola (thanks to IFHE), it is overall less survivable. It has terrible maneuvrability, bad armor and bad concealment. Pensacola may not be the best T7 cruiser but it is now a solid ship for random battles. For some reason I did pretty well in it altho I'm poo poo with the Indianapolis (it was a gift).
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NTRabbit posted:
I'm probably going to hit rank 1 with around 100 games played thanks to the Belfast, so loving lmao at it being worse than the Myoko and Fiji. I'm ripping apart BBs with IFHE and getting High Caliber pretty often.
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El Disco posted:I'm probably going to hit rank 1 with around 100 games played thanks to the Belfast, so loving lmao at it being worse than the Myoko and Fiji. I'm ripping apart BBs with IFHE and getting High Caliber pretty often. :ntrabbit:
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I just got high calibre in my Leander in a 6v6 dump game, but it was neither a win nor top xp. Top xp was the Arizona, who when down to 1v1 versus a Hatsuharu beached himself behind an island because "it was too fast" and just waited for the Hatsu to cap the win. I'm not sure what game you guys are even playing.
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NTRabbit posted:I just got high calibre in my Leander in a 6v6 dump game, but it was neither a win nor top xp. Top xp was the Arizona, who when down to 1v1 versus a Hatsuharu beached himself behind an island because "it was too fast" and just waited for the Hatsu to cap the win. I'm sorry, is this post about a tier 6 random battle supposed to support your assertion that the Belfast is worse than the Fiji and Myoko in (tier 7) ranked play? I'm playing the game where my 70% win-rate Belfast is dragging my ranked teams to victory. Where I've lost maybe 3-4 stars on the losses thanks to being top of the team so often. And that's counting my two power failure related star losses.
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It was a post about how high calibre isn't the most meaningful of battle awards, and that it's pretty easy for a bad battleship to trump a good cruiser to top xp just by existing longer. I've seen a lot of Belfasts in ranked, but in a loss 9 times out of 10 top xp is either a battleship or destroyer. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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NTRabbit has had quite a bit of trouble getting to the 10-5 bracket (and probably never reached it) let alone the 5-2, so take any observations about ship performance in ranked with appropriate levels of salt. Belfast utterly dominates the current ranked season.
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NTRabbit posted:I'm not sure what game you guys are even playing. Quite frankly, we are not sure either
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Timmy Horsey posted:Haven't played much of ranked this season, but Fiji is not bad It's a very solid choice. I'd rate it as the second best cruiser this season after the Belfast. Probably the best non-premium ship overall.
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On one part he is right though. On a defeat, Belfast is seldom at the top. That said, Belfast loving dominates this season, so much that the alternative is the shiratsuyu to torp the gently caress out of those clouds.
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Cippalippus posted:On one part he is right though. On a defeat, Belfast is seldom at the top. That said, Belfast loving dominates this season, so much that the alternative is the shiratsuyu to torp the gently caress out of those clouds. That only proves that the game does not reward utility like spotting and providing smoke enough.
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Krogort posted:Pensacola may not be the best T7 cruiser but it is now a solid ship for random battles.
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NTRabbit posted:Also, if you want to talk about them in terms of just ranked meta rather than random, then the only two any good are Fiji and Myoko. Belfast may have radar, but without torps it's unable to deal the kind of damage required to deal with 3 or 4 battleships in a 7 ship team, and yes, the most common team comp I see is 3 BB 3 CC 1 DD, followed by 4 BB 2 CC 1 DD, and then 2 BB 4 CC 1 DD. ....................... .......................................... Please be trolling. Cippalippus posted:On one part he is right though. On a defeat, Belfast is seldom at the top. That said, Belfast loving dominates this season, so much that the alternative is the shiratsuyu to torp the gently caress out of those clouds.
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Insert name here posted:I'm the same and it's because, at least for me, the Indianapolis has a noticeably longer rudder shift time. Whereas the Pensacola can generally react fast enough if you're fighting at 10km+ to dodge or at least mitigate shell salvos the Indianapolis requires a bit more forethought that extra second or so it takes for your rudder to go from neutral to full means that you're gonna eat more shells. The Indy turns slower, now has higher detection, and a really fat hull that has more ways to trap shells. I played only a few games in my Christmas box Indy before I put it aside. The Arizona feels far more rewarding. Edit: Just found an interesting bug:   Looks like the daily win bonus didn't reset, but only for my Nagato. Blindeye fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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You can enable last spotted markers and names on the minimap... I had no idea.
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So after dicking around on and off since rank season, I suddenly find myself at rank 6 and now have a sudden urge to go for rank 1 before season ends. Are their goons in a similar rank situation that want to set up a time and division up for one last hurrah this weekend?El Disco posted:Can't division in ranked. wow I am sad MikeC fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Playing ranked tonight, a Mahan didn't know that the Belfast has radar and hydro.  e: in the 5-2 bracket. MikeC posted:So after dicking around on and off since rank season, I suddenly find myself at rank 6 and now have a sudden urge to go for rank 1 before season ends. Are their goons in a similar rank situation that want to set up a time and division up for one last hurrah this weekend? Can't division in ranked. Godlessdonut fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Blindeye posted:The Indy turns slower, now has higher detection, and a really fat hull that has more ways to trap shells. I played only a few games in my Christmas box Indy before I put it aside. The Arizona feels far more rewarding.  Blinks77 posted:You can enable last spotted markers and names on the minimap... I think they added that recent-ish-ly after seeing how popular it was as a mod.
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Last spotted has been around for several patches now. Names was in the latest patch though.
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You can also change crosshairs in the options menu. I highly suggest "Dynamic". It automatically changes the ticks to match your level of zoom, so you can zoom one level out if you need more lead space for those pesky russian DDs. You can also make your minimap larger, find what buttons its bound to for your computer, for mine it was + and - on the numpad. Blow that map up to a good size, the minimap is super important. Also, make sure you bind F3 (Designate Target) to a non-problematic key or mouse button, so you can just hit that when you want to highlight a target ship or cap. Its very convenient to just ping a cap at the start to let your team know which way you're headed.
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MikeC posted:wow I am sad Yeah it'd be pretty cool if they allowed 2-ship divisions in ranked but wargaming seems to feel that getting through the ranks should be a very individual accomplishment. I read something like this from wargaming somewhere (probably a forum post) but it boiled down to "Ranked is for the best player, Team Battles is for the best team." And yes lol Team Battles.
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wdarkk posted:Pinging a cap fails to work for me 90% of the time, even if nothing's in the way. No idea why. As far as I can tell, you have to aim your targeting pointer right at the cap's floating icon. Good luck doing that when you can't actually see the pointer! I just scored a third supercontainer, fifty dragon flags. RNGesus is being suspiciously nice to me. 
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why do players insist on taking trash ships like the Yorck into ranked play. Its just a ball and chain when the other team's cruiser is a loving Belfast
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Had my first 200k game in a Montana of all things. Unfortunately I can't seem to buy a win tonight.
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So Phontomen seems to like the Okhotnik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr7vCxAauSo
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