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Whitlam posted:One of the units I had to study for my law degree was comparative legal systems, and the Japanese was one of my favourites in many ways. Basically the reason their conviction rate is so high is because they'll only bring a case if they're positive they'll get a conviction, so very few cases (compared to other countries) actually make it to court. My understanding (anecdotal, mind you) is that due to that approach, simply refusing to confess to a crime is often sufficient to ensure you're never formally prosecuted for it, as making a concerted effort to protest your innocence could cast doubt on your case. The flip side to this is that at least some police districts are said to be particularly persistent in obtaining confessions. I've heard a couple of very concerning stories about the use of torture to obtain confessions which I would normally consider dubious, but they came from a source I normally trust, so I'm not sure what to think on that. Children and minor celebrities are also supposedly given deferential treatment, which is easy to believe, though I'm not sure the evidence bears that out. This is sometimes the explanation given for an infamous cannibal who was never convicted for a murder he committed, but the wiki article suggests that it was more an international procedural oddity that resulted in him never being formally tried: he committed the crime in France, was remanded to Japan, but because he wasn't being tried in France they sealed his records, which then resulted in the Japanese having no legal grounds on which to charge him. His minor celebrity status came afterward, along with a great deal of infamy and, unsurprisingly, both ostracization and calls for him to be arrested and tried anyways. Similarly, an 11-year old who brutally murdered a classmate with a utility knife spent four years in a mental institution, but contrary to some popular depictions she was tried and sentenced, to the degree the law permitted for someone so young, and it's easy to argue that reformation is preferable to lifelong incarceration if possible. It's not as if the charges were completely dropped or anything. If anything, perusing various articles makes it appear that Japan's legal system has significantly toughened its stance on underaged offenders as a result of various violent crimes by underaged offenders that got a lot of media attention over the years.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:My understanding (anecdotal, mind you) is that due to that approach, simply refusing to confess to a crime is often sufficient to ensure you're never formally prosecuted for it, as making a concerted effort to protest your innocence could cast doubt on your case. The flip side to this is that at least some police districts are said to be particularly persistent in obtaining confessions. I've heard a couple of very concerning stories about the use of torture to obtain confessions which I would normally consider dubious, but they came from a source I normally trust, so I'm not sure what to think on that. According to Amnesty International, torture is pretty widespread in Japan. Not to mention they can keep you without charge more or less indefinitely after arresting you, all the while torturing and mistreating you. https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/152000/asa220041998en.pdf The US Justice system needs a lot of reform but its one of the most progressive in the world, relatively.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Children and minor celebrities are also supposedly given deferential treatment free karpeles
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LeJackal posted:According to Amnesty International, torture is pretty widespread in Japan. Not to mention they can keep you without charge more or less indefinitely after arresting you, all the while torturing and mistreating you. https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/152000/asa220041998en.pdf
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:free karpeles He is free, though? And looking quite well after his prison diet. Mark's positively svelte.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Similarly, an 11-year old who brutally murdered a classmate with a utility knife spent four years in a mental institution, but contrary to some popular depictions she was tried and sentenced, to the degree the law permitted for someone so young, and it's easy to argue that reformation is preferable to lifelong incarceration if possible. It's not as if the charges were completely dropped or anything. If anything, perusing various articles makes it appear that Japan's legal system has significantly toughened its stance on underaged offenders as a result of various violent crimes by underaged offenders that got a lot of media attention over the years. I just wanted to see how old the 11 year old would be now (24, in case anyone else was curious). Then I read about the motive. quote:She initially mentioned no motive for the killing.[10] Shortly afterward, she confessed to police that she and Mitarai had quarreled as a result of messages left on the Internet.[11] She claimed that Mitarai slandered her[12] by commenting on her weight and calling her a "goody-goody". 
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Ugato posted:I just wanted to see how old the 11 year old would be now (24, in case anyone else was curious). Then I read about the motive. I mean she half proved the other girl wrong, at least.
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Whitlam posted:I mean she half proved the other girl wrong, at least. And if she got skinny in prison, proved her totally wrong.
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I came across this article today about a fire that burned so hot the fire hoses were essentially shooting steam at it. Six firefighters got trapped and died as a result of the maze-like conditions inside the abandoned building. http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/a1098/perfect-fire-0700/ ETA: And this one is more proof that Albuquerque is one weird rear end place to live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Girly_Chew_Hossencofft Lord Zedd-Repulsa has a new favorite as of 08:26 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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That is a good article. quote:Unlike a rollover, however, a flashover happens everywhere at once; every molecule of atmosphere, every object in the vicinity, instantly turns to fire. A man at the edge of a room about to flash has maybe two seconds to run; a man inside that room is going to die. 
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Whitlam posted:One of the units I had to study for my law degree was comparative legal systems, and the Japanese was one of my favourites in many ways. Basically the reason their conviction rate is so high is because they'll only bring a case if they're positive they'll get a conviction, so very few cases (compared to other countries) actually make it to court. Years ago a goon made a thread about the time they got caught growing weed in Japan on government land. He spent some time in prison but flat out refused to ever sign a confession and eventually they just kicked him out of the country because he wouldn't confess despite being caught red handed so he never actually got charged with a crime iirc
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So is it almost impossible to get a conviction with out a confession in Japan? Or is it one of those weird situations where they'd be risking their career by going for one with out a confession so no one knows if its easy or not because no one is willing to try it?
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Solice Kirsk posted:So is it almost impossible to get a conviction with out a confession in Japan? Or is it one of those weird situations where they'd be risking their career by going for one with out a confession so no one knows if its easy or not because no one is willing to try it? Probably the latter. Easier (and probably cheaper) to just get the foreigner kicked out and call that a victory than go for a conviction.
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Despite Japan's nominally adversarial court system (and gee I wonder how that ended up happening when they don't seem to hew too closely to it), prosecutors are judged in the court of public opinion by their conviction rate. Japan's business culture has never had much tolerance for mistakes, and this unfortunately seems to extend even into career fields where theoretically you shouldn't be EXPECTED to win every battle. In media and entertainment fields, creators sometimes have their entire careers torpedoed for working on a single product that's a flop, even if they were assigned to it as triage after it was clear it was floundering. Between that and some of the extreme cultural stigmas that are hold-overs from Shinto, I'd guess there's not a lot of fun career paths in Japan; maybe that's part of why restauranting and demolitions are such romanticized fields, because you can only gently caress those things up so much if you come prepared. Working in a hospital or as a mortician seems to be particularly bad, since simply being AROUND the dead is stigmatized, and touching them is much worse. While it may yet change, to the best of my awareness being a mortician is usually a family business, because being a mortician is so stigmatized they were traditionally forced to live in their own communities away from the general populace and their entire families are still treated as second-class citizens because they have to deal with dead bodies. This is in spite of the fact that a mortician's work is highly sought after, since appropriate funerary rites are generally considered extremely important and no one ELSE wants to touch a dead body either. Therefor, morticians are considered vital and important, but are still garbage, cursed, untouchables unfit to live in society, a perception that, apparently, has never fully disappeared. Oh! Semi-related. Medical transplants of any kind have been highly stigmatized in Japan for most of the modern era. A few scattered sources claim that Japan was actually on the leading edge of transplant technology, until, they generally all agree, a heart transplant failing in the SIXTIES raised nascent concerns about death and bodily impurity. It took until the late 90's for Japan to legally recognize the concept of cadaverous organ donation again, and it's probably still heavily stigmatized now 20 years later. Weirdly, there was even a horror novel in the 90's that relied on organ transplant as the central sin which allows rebelling mitochondria to attack humanity. If that sounds at all familiar, it's because that was the 1995 novel Parasite Eve, which would go on to inspire the eponymous video game series, as well as supposedly being influential on other body horror media, including Resident Evil. There are a lot of infuriating cultural burrs in Japanese society, but as an American living in the south, I'm not sure I'm in much of a position to talk...
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Living in the American south probably makes them more familiar to you.
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Jose posted:Years ago a goon made a thread about the time they got caught growing weed in Japan on government land. He spent some time in prison but flat out refused to ever sign a confession and eventually they just kicked him out of the country because he wouldn't confess despite being caught red handed so he never actually got charged with a crime iirc Doesn't weed grow wild in Japan?
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Between that and some of the extreme cultural stigmas that are hold-overs from Shinto, I'd guess there's not a lot of fun career paths in Japan; maybe that's part of why restauranting and demolitions are such romanticized fields, because you can only gently caress those things up so much if you come prepared. Working in a hospital or as a mortician seems to be particularly bad, since simply being AROUND the dead is stigmatized, and touching them is much worse. While it may yet change, to the best of my awareness being a mortician is usually a family business, because being a mortician is so stigmatized they were traditionally forced to live in their own communities away from the general populace and their entire families are still treated as second-class citizens because they have to deal with dead bodies. This is in spite of the fact that a mortician's work is highly sought after, since appropriate funerary rites are generally considered extremely important and no one ELSE wants to touch a dead body either. Therefor, morticians are considered vital and important, but are still garbage, cursed, untouchables unfit to live in society, a perception that, apparently, has never fully disappeared. This seems like a bad idea. Imagine if they went on strike.
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Ugato posted:I just wanted to see how old the 11 year old would be now (24, in case anyone else was curious). Then I read about the motive. It's a really messy issue, what to do with child murderers. (Murderers who are children, not the other way around.)
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As a firefighter, flashover is loving scary and you can only hope for a window to be nearby when it happens.
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Did some reading on the Mary Bell case and there are tons of editorials that basically say she should have been put behind bars for life or should have her identity known (so she can be harassed and further punished by mob justice.) I find that kind of unnerving. If a ten/eleven year old commits murder, it seems pretty clear to me that they're a disordered individual and should not be free but shouldn't just be thrown in jail - someone like that needs treatment. I can absolutely believe that someone like that can go on to lead a productive life without committing any more violent acts. I can also believe that someone like that could end up not being fit to rejoin society in which case they probably should remain institutionalized, but it seems in this case of Mary Bell that she was pretty hosed up and seems to not be that hosed up anymore. Oh well I suppose it's nothing too surprising but it's disheartening nonetheless.
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Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:I came across this article today about a fire that burned so hot the fire hoses were essentially shooting steam at it. Six firefighters got trapped and died as a result of the maze-like conditions inside the abandoned building. drat, haven't read a good, harrowing longform in a while. This led me down a rabbit hole and read about the Charleston Sofa Super Store fire, which led to a lot of procedural controversy it seems (traffic was not stopped early enough and rush hour commuters were driving over active hoses, as an example). Danger has a new favorite as of 20:15 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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I've probably written about this before but if you're interested in a messed up unnerving fire story you should check out Killer Show by John Barylick. It's about The Station club fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire
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I've seen the footage and the book is on my Amazon wish list. I get a pretty constant supply of long form articles in my email daily, so I'll try to post more of the creepy or unnerving ones here. Anyone think there would be interest in a PYF Long Form Article thread?
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Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:I've seen the footage and the book is on my Amazon wish list. I get a pretty constant supply of long form articles in my email daily, so I'll try to post more of the creepy or unnerving ones here. Anyone think there would be interest in a PYF Long Form Article thread? 
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Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:I've seen the footage and the book is on my Amazon wish list. I get a pretty constant supply of long form articles in my email daily, so I'll try to post more of the creepy or unnerving ones here. Anyone think there would be interest in a PYF Long Form Article thread? Yes please.
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Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:I've seen the footage and the book is on my Amazon wish list. I get a pretty constant supply of long form articles in my email daily, so I'll try to post more of the creepy or unnerving ones here. Anyone think there would be interest in a PYF Long Form Article thread? Absolutely. Loucks posted:Then watch the footage. The worst is seeing all the people stuck in the front door, then the camera guy goes to the side door to call out for people that might still be inside, and then when he heads back to the front there's flames just shooting out of it. Legit one of the tougher things to watch. Solice Kirsk has a new favorite as of 23:13 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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Longform article thread is over here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3813353
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Loucks posted:Then watch the footage. NO. I've watched that exactly once. I can't imagine the sheer panic and despair of those poor people.
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To follow up on the issue of Japanese morticians, there was a pretty good movie made on the subject https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Departures_(2008_film) And it covers all of that, from the unclean nature of the job to the fact that their services are highly sought after. I recommend.
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fruit on the bottom posted:To follow up on the issue of Japanese morticians, there was a pretty good movie made on the subject Didn't Google Maps run in to some issues in Japan due to them overlaying old maps with current ones that showed where the untouchables used to live?
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Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:I came across this article today about a fire that burned so hot the fire hoses were essentially shooting steam at it. Six firefighters got trapped and died as a result of the maze-like conditions inside the abandoned building. I had the unique experience a few years back while going through photojournalism classes to get to go to a couple of our region-wide EMT/Rescue/Fire training weekends. Most of the stuff was pretty tame classroom stuff, but the culmination of the firefighting portion always ends with a controlled live burn of a condemned/donated for destruction home.  These guys are all crowded around watching this room as it rolls over. All of these are of the flashover, as the entrire house just sort of combusted all at once. I have a deep mortal fear of fire, and I hear the sound of this in my nightmares very, very often.     If you know a firefighter thank them for what they do. In almost all rural areas these services are staffed by a large majority of volunteers.  Nothing can describe the feeling of being THAT CLOSE to a flashover, when suddenly it's like a the oxygen is (literally) sucked out of the air and literal fire tornados blow out of a house, roof falling in as fire gushes out of everywhere. Doing those training weekends was one of the most exhilarating things I've done in my life, and I was there strictly as a photographer. That Damn Satyr has a new favorite as of 23:22 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Baronjutter posted:Combustible construction is dumb. I know wood is cheap and renewable and newer wooden buildings are built to better fire codes but old wood buildings are fire death traps.
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Alereon posted:Huh, so it turns out the US has one of the worst fire death rates in the industrialized world, and it's currently over twice that of the UK, where wood construction is unknown. I tried some quick searches, but couldn't find anything on this, but I do wonder how much the death rate varies in the U.S. based on urban vs. rural and just how many people live in rural areas where not only is the construction older, but the response times are way longer. I know where I live, a 20-30 minute response time would be as good as I could hope for (rural area, volunteer FD) and that's to say nothing of how long a fire could be going before someone noticed it if I wasn't the one to call it in. Realistically speaking, if there's a life-threatening fire, and can't get myself out, by the time the FD or even a neighbor gets there, it's gonna be too late.
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They're all good, but these are loving beautiful. Well done.
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Pingiivi posted:I've probably written about this before but if you're interested in a messed up unnerving fire story you should check out Killer Show by John Barylick. It's about The Station club fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire quote:In August 2016, the site was reported to have been being used as a PokeStop in Pokémon Go, to uproar from victim's families. 
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Alereon posted:Huh, so it turns out the US has one of the worst fire death rates in the industrialized world, and it's currently over twice that of the UK, where wood construction is unknown. This is something that I've found odd. My best friend is Scottish and when she comes to visit she ways comments on how flimsy US houses seem to be, and when stuff is in the news like huge tornados she can never seem to fathom why people would build their houses out of wood. I wonder if there's been studies done on what lead to the 'split' between styles of building. I think there's definitely a weird cultural perception of object permanence involved in the whole thing.
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Loucks posted:Then watch the footage. Do not watch or listen to this footage. I legitimately have nightmares from the screams, to this day; I watched this years ago.
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