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Generic American posted:Didn't that RPS guy also hate The Witcher 3? I swear I recognize his name from something like that. He did. He also couldn't work out how tooltips work in Stellaris and defended the Polygon DOOM video as a "Hey, game reviewers don't HAVE to be good at games"
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Evil Canadian posted:Uh mass effect is like the definition of pulp sci fi, maybe you just don't understand the term. Pulp doesn't insinuate bad or shlock but more to describe an era of the fiction. Sexy alien ladies, lost technology, bad guy robots and exploring the unknown are all big features of pulp sci fi. Paging Dan Didio, Dan Didio to the Mass Effect thread.
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Pulp is not camp. But Mass Effect as a whole is a lot less pulp and a lot more camp, right down to the production values.
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the panacea posted:Anyone know if it will be possible to unlock the game with a US VPN on Tuesday if I bought it from the EU store? I don't. But I can tell you that a couple years ago EA cancelled my preorder for FPS Syndicate because it didn't clear the censors in pre R18+ videogame land Australia. So while you might find a workaround they definitely care about regional locks and I'm disinclined to gently caress with that.
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Serf posted:Pulp is not camp. But Mass Effect as a whole is a lot less pulp and a lot more camp, right down to the production values. That's not true at all though. All the original Mass Effect games in their time were blockbuster AAA releases and looked it. Mass Effect 2 in particular still looks and plays great for a game that came out in 2010, and competed with AC2 and Bioshock for visuals. There's a lot of revisionist handwaving to defend the cheap-looking production values of Andromeda by saying that Mass Effect never looked good, but that's really not the case.
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Mar 15, 2017 11:24
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John Walker aside, GB's Brad Shoemaker and GS's Peter Brown weren't really very positive about what they could play in the current Bombcast either. Especially the interface was called out for being bad.
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Mar 15, 2017 11:26
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exquisite tea posted:That's not true at all though. All the original Mass Effect games in their time were blockbuster AAA releases and looked it. Mass Effect 2 in particular still looks and plays great for a game that came out in 2010, and competed with AC2 and Bioshock for visuals. There's a lot of revisionist handwaving to defend the cheap-looking production values of Andromeda by saying that Mass Effect never looked good, but that's really not the case.  Camp can still look good and be enjoyable. It isn't synonymous with bad.
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Serf posted:
Well you're saying a bunch of words and I don't think you understand what they mean. "Camp" is associated with low production values, low fidelity, generally a seat-of-the-pants operation. This in no way descibes the Mass Effect trilogy, with its unprecedented roster of voice actors, millions of dollars in marketing, and very large development team. Certain elements may seem campy, but Mass Effect, at least until now, has always been a leader in visuals and production quality.
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Serf posted:
This is key and a good reminder. Case in point: the very excellent Turbo Kid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFlZ6pVtnv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb8FDlaET88 and the loving amazing music video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipO1K24DE90 I love the soundtrack to this movie.
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Darth Windu posted:Ah, weak, pc games. The same applies to EA Access on Xbone.
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DancingShade posted:This is key and a good reminder. poo poo, this is exactly what I was thinking of but I couldn't remember the name. Thanks. Mymla posted:This thread is synonymous with bad. I think everyone can agree with this.
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Serf posted:poo poo, this is exactly what I was thinking of but I couldn't remember the name. Thanks. Turbo glove fist bump.
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Mar 15, 2017 11:38
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Turbo Kid is art.
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exquisite tea posted:That's not true at all though. All the original Mass Effect games in their time were blockbuster AAA releases and looked it. Mass Effect 2 in particular still looks and plays great for a game that came out in 2010, and competed with AC2 and Bioshock for visuals. There's a lot of revisionist handwaving to defend the cheap-looking production values of Andromeda by saying that Mass Effect never looked good, but that's really not the case. It's like the list that was given: sexy alien ladies, lost technology, bad guy robots and exploring the unknown. How many sci-fi releases don't feature those things? When I think pulp, I think a rockjaw'd all-American boy, clad in a bright orange spacesuit with a big bubble helm, pointing a laser gun in the vague direction of a bug-eyed alien monster. Also on the book cover is a woman, fainting or swooning or some combination thereof. She is probably wearing a revealing outfit of some sort. It's like people confuse soft sci-fi with pulp-era sci-fi, or they're using the term incorrectly. Mass Effect isn't hard sci-fi and it's not exactly interested in really examining the implications of its setting or pondering the philosophy of some future mankind... but to call it pulp is very inaccurate. But just because it's not hard sci-fi (or thinking sci-fi) it gets put under the pulp umbrella? I don't get it. Mass Effect is just a middle of the road space opera story that wears its influences on its sleeve. It was very good at setting up rules and guidelines that helped the setting work around the gameplay conceits (the Relays, for example), but they've been gradually eroded until we get to Andromeda where big chunks of the setting are just missing. Andromeda might be the most pulpy Mass Effect has got. It certainly seems to echo the general spirit of 'who cares about the how and why of this setting, SCOTT RYDER must save the day in the ANDROMEDA GALAXY from the evil ROCK ALIEN KETT' that a lot of pulp stories seem to adhere to. But it'd still be a strange designation.
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Mass Effect is just plain jane science fiction, not space opera or pulp or any other weird terms people use to describe it. The series certainly draws inspiration from many different sources, but at its core it attempts to explore the relationship between people and technology, which is as traditionally sci-fi as you can get. Neither space operas or pulp sci-fi are concerned with the tech itself as an element of the story, it's just a backdrop.
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I'd say its whatever star wars is, just with mass effect fields and relays instead of the force and hyper drives.
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Whenever someone says "Actually, Mass Effect is supposed to be" I just fill in the rest with "a power fantasy that makes me feel good". 95% accuracy ratio.
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Mar 15, 2017 11:55
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Mass Effect is not really like Star Wars because unlike SW it does concern itself with questions about mankind's relationship to technology. Look at Babylon 5 + TNG, where Mass Effect clearly draws much of its own inspiration, and you'll see it's pretty much straight down the middle science fiction. Why can't people accept that it's just plain regular old sci-fi!!
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Mar 15, 2017 11:57
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Andromeda seems more Star Trek than Star Wars. Which I tend to think of as a positive.
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Mar 15, 2017 12:00
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Please don't post selfies itt.
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Avalerion posted:I'd say its whatever star wars is, just with mass effect fields and relays instead of the force and hyper drives. Yeah, we shouldn't forget the genesis of ME in the first place: To replace the Star Wars RPGs. And "hero and his group of ragtag friends save the galaxy" is the most pulpy concept there is.
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Was making Mass Effect really because of the Star Wars license or did they just want their own franchise and world to tool around with like Dragon Age?
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Jason and the Argonauts is extremely pulp.
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exquisite tea posted:Please don't post selfies itt. he didn't, because that's a photo of me
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Kavak posted:Was making Mass Effect really because of the Star Wars license or did they just want their own franchise and world to tool around with like Dragon Age? I imagine it's both. Pretty sure you don't want to saddle your franchise and financial success to the whim of someone else's IP (specifically George Lucas pre Disney buyout) when you're paying out the arse for licensing and don't have creative freedom.
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Decius posted:John Walker aside, GB's Brad Shoemaker and GS's Peter Brown weren't really very positive about what they could play in the current Bombcast either. Especially the interface was called out for being bad. The interface has looked like garbage in every screenshot and video, I'm not surprised it's terrible to use, too.
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Lt. Danger posted:Jason and the Argonauts is extremely pulp. Pride & Prejudice is my favorite space opera.
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exquisite tea posted:Mass Effect is not really like Star Wars because unlike SW it does concern itself with questions about mankind's relationship to technology. Look at Babylon 5 + TNG, where Mass Effect clearly draws much of its own inspiration, and you'll see it's pretty much straight down the middle science fiction. Why can't people accept that it's just plain regular old sci-fi!! Here is a very absurd hypothesis: It might be you are wrong and the many people calling ME a pulpy Space Opera might be correct? It looks like a pulpy Space Opera, swims like a pulpy Space Opera and walks like a pulpy Space Opera. It might be a pulpy Space Opera after all. One that might sometimes rise into asking the most common questions of SF that exist ("when is AI human?" and "are aliens really so different from us?" "can I gently caress it?"), but in it's heart the trilogy was basically something that could have run as serial in the Thirties. Andromeda does indeed seem more like Star Trek than Star Wars though. Edit: Babylon 5 is so very much a Space Opera though, it could very well be the definition of it. Decius fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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Milky Moor posted:he didn't, because that's a photo of me Wow, it's like looking into a mirror!
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Milky Moor posted:he didn't, because that's a photo of me Separated twins.
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You could probably tell the core story of the Mass Effect franchise as a series of Greek plays. It doesn't mean you'd be right if you called it a Greek play. Even if "many people" did.
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 Pictured: Literally An Accurate Depiction Of Mass Effect
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Milky Moor posted:
If you put Garrus in the background and put the blond woman in a Quarian suit it basically is.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:The interface has looked like garbage in every screenshot and video, I'm not surprised it's terrible to use, too. Yeah, after playing Inquisition on PC the first thing I looked for in the Andromeda videos is if they remembered a "loot all" button this time.
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Asari: Yellow Peril for the modern age?
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Decius posted:If you put Garrus in the background and put the blond woman in a Quarian suit it basically is. Well, sure, if you ignore the whole context behind it.
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Enigmatic Cakelord posted:Yeah, after playing Inquisition on PC the first thing I looked for in the Andromeda videos is if they remembered a "loot all" button this time. They did, bless their little hearts. Milky Moor posted:Well, sure, if you ignore the whole context behind it. What exactly is the definition of 'pulp'?
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"Now, people have called me crazy for saying Mass Effect is Shakespearean. But if we take Romeo and make him a Turian and if we swap Juliet out for an Asari, well, the similarities are quite astounding."
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