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As a native English speaker, Japanese grammar was incredibly easy to learn, although my only other point of reference is French. A lot of the most basic stuff is practically "just construct an English sentence but backwards."
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cis autodrag posted:going from a language with noun declension to one that doesn't even have plurals must be nice. Tuxedo Catfish posted:As a native English speaker, Japanese grammar was incredibly easy to learn, although my only other point of reference is French. A lot of the most basic stuff is practically "just construct an English sentence but backwards." yeah pretty much like once you know 2000 kanji and basic grammar you're pretty much good for the most part. you still need a dictionary for the more complex stuff but you're not going to see as many grammatical flourishes as latin has
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Mar 15, 2017 06:26
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pidan posted:Most complex bit of English grammar by the way is that to this day I'm not sure whether or not you guys have a subjunctive. also we use past subjunctive even for things happening in the present, "if i were rich I would..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_subjunctive i was pleased when i found out yall had an accusative of emphasis, very Indo European 
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Mar 15, 2017 06:36
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HEY GAIL posted:we do and it's cool, lop the ending off the indicative, as so: "if it be so, that..." Wanna know more about that accusative. English has the weirdest accusative, like "Me and my friends made a comic book". Why "me"? Why not "I"?
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Mar 15, 2017 06:50
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pidan posted:Wanna know more about that accusative. edit: Jeden Tag Ist Wochenende, by Sido is an example of the accusative of emphasis. i think.
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Mar 15, 2017 06:51
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shouldn't it be my friend and i? though both are cromulent english
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Mar 15, 2017 07:03
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Senju Kannon posted:shouldn't it be my friend and i? though both are cromulent english
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Mar 15, 2017 07:14
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pidan posted:I started learning a bit of Turkish recently just because there's an app for that, and that's a language with a really fun grammar as well, would recommend.
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HEY GAIL posted:every turkish person i've met has been a chill bro, but the sounds of the language makes me feel like my sinuses are buzzing. is it cool to learn? what do you enjoy about the grammar? I think Turkish just sounds like most of the Balkan languages where people use sh and tch sounds a lot. I like the r and the z phonemes of Turkish though. The grammar is cool because you kind of just stack everything you want to say onto the end of the word you mean, so you'd say something like "I am in the house" by saying evdeyim which is like ev -> house, de -> in / at, im -> something I have or do. I also like how Turkish has many words and some grammar shared with Mongolian, even though the languages are pretty different overall. Also Turkish people are very good looking 
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What I enjoy about English is the fact that, unless you need to talk formally, you can say things in almost any order and still have it possess reasonably correct grammar. That and the fact that it is a bastard language generally made by people mugging surrounding languages and making of with the fancy bits. Also, no genders for objects is deeply appreciated.
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Mar 15, 2017 08:21
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pidan posted:Also Turkish people are very good looking  , friendi made friends with some turkish dudes in my hostel last year, and this one guy kept leaning against me from shoulders to knees and i was all "is he coming on to me?" then i googled "turkish social norms touching strangers" and it turns out their personal space bubble is right up next to you. Ohhhh. then we spent the night drinking lovely beer he bought and typing things into Google translate at each other since he knew almost 0 english and i know no turkish. good times. would turk again.
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Josef bugman posted:Also, no genders for objects is deeply appreciated. What are you talking about, genders are awesome. I especially like the German word 'Band', because it means something completely different depending on what article you put before it  (der Band - volume (of a book), das Band - ribbon, die Band - music band though that's admittedly pronounced differently from the other two)
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I like grammatical gender because it gives you the opportunity to have pedantic arguments about the gender of loanwords or brand names, which is certainly better than arguing about the gender of actual human beings
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Senju Kannon posted:much like the evolution of the two sex model of humanity out of the former one sex model, where men no longer had to take care to not overindulge in food and women no longer had to refrain from running lest they become members of the opposite sex. Can you elaborate on this? I think this is the first I've ever heard of it 
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Mar 15, 2017 10:36
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http://www.liturgicalinstitute.org/liturgy-quiz So what's your score? Mine is 7/10, I picked some answers that were seriously dumb in hindsight and misclicked once 
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Tias posted:Can you elaborate on this? I think this is the first I've ever heard of it a byproduct of this is the belief that women can turn into men (in fact, they kind of should according to this argument, since according to aristotle all things seek their own perfection--nobody ever pursued the line of thought this far though) and men can turn into women. because the thing is, it's the gender roles that are binary and iron-clad, not the biological sex beneath. so if you are a woman and you act like a man, your body will become more manly. if you are a man and you act like a woman, your body will become more womanly. https://www.amazon.com/Making-Sex-Gender-Greeks-Freud/dp/0674543556 a byproduct of that is that compared to the 19th and 20th centuries these people are somewhat more chill about being trans. Here's a person who had both sexes, they were taken to court over this, and the court ruled that they had to wear clothing of both sexes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas(ine)_Hall eleno de cespedes was born a woman, turned into a man after he gave birth, and joined the spanish army. after he left the army one of his neighbors turned him in to the Inquisition for having two sexes so you know, it wasn't like it was a utopia of tolerance back then. still better than the 19th/20th centuries though. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleno_de_C%C3%A9spedes
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System Metternich posted:http://www.liturgicalinstitute.org/liturgy-quiz Same.
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System Metternich posted:http://www.liturgicalinstitute.org/liturgy-quiz Didn't ge tthe site to work. Would have been neat to try to answer on foreign language and about a denomination I've never encountered outside this thread.
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Valiantman posted:Didn't ge tthe site to work. Would have been neat to try to answer on foreign language and about a denomination I've never encountered outside this thread. Try it on mobile I got five and also learned that the blessed water thing is only emptied once a year 
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System Metternich posted:http://www.liturgicalinstitute.org/liturgy-quiz 9/10; I didn't know that singing the dialogue was more important than singing the Agnus Dei, Gloria, etc.
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That was the one I missed too, since we've certainly recited the Kyrie before rather than sing it. It's missing the all-important question about what happens if a raccoon runs off with the tabernacle while the priest has a heart attack while a layperson gives the homily though. pidan posted:I like grammatical gender because it gives you the opportunity to have pedantic arguments about the gender of loanwords or brand names, which is certainly better than arguing about the gender of actual human beings Please never let English-speaking people talk about grammatical gender. It pops up every once in a while in academic Biblical criticism where people with PhDs will be like "well you see this noun in Hebrew is feminine, so this means..." and just faceplant into an entire field of study they know nothing about. The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Mar 15, 2017 |
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pidan posted:Try it on mobile I knew that in some parishes holy water stoups were filled with sand during Lent, but apparently it's not permitted at all. Now I will know to complain 'in all charity' if I ever encounter it. zonohedron posted:9/10; I didn't know that singing the dialogue was more important than singing the Agnus Dei, Gloria, etc. It was a very narrow definition of importance, imo. Very misleading.
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I pretty much bombed that quiz. I'm sorry, thread, I've failed you.
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The Phlegmatist posted:Please never let English-speaking people talk about grammatical gender. It pops up every once in a while in academic Biblical criticism where people with PhDs will be like "well you see this noun in Hebrew is feminine, so this means..." and just faceplant into an entire field of study they know nothing about. this is why i get continually furious at american biblical scholarship in general. the seminaries have now been cut off for several generations from the universities, so there's been nobody to train american biblical scholars in philology, because the people who are thinking seriously about philological methodology aren't working primarily with biblical materials so they're mostly at secular universities. the result is a country full of divinity faculties where ancient languages get treated either like ciphers for english or like magic spells that will give you all the answers if you can just find the right dictionary entry. that's how undergrads treat languages and it's utterly disgraceful that people with PhDs get away with it. the moral of this story is that if you want to do serious biblical scholarship, you're better off doing a semester or two with the akkadian specialist before moving on with your hebrew, and your greek studies should include a couple terms of homer and aeschylus, because studying authors and texts that are riddled with transmission problems forces conversations about method that otherwise don't take place in divinity schools because the primary textual material is so securely attested and the faculty members are isolated from their secular counterparts
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The Phlegmatist posted:Please never let English-speaking people talk about grammatical gender. It pops up every once in a while in academic Biblical criticism where people with PhDs will be like "well you see this noun in Hebrew is feminine, so this means..." and just faceplant into an entire field of study they know nothing about. In the distant history of the 20th century, men and women in Germany had to co-operate in order to consume food because each was only allowed to use a single type of utensil.
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OwlFancier posted:In the distant history of the 20th century, men and women in Germany had to co-operate in order to consume food because each was only allowed to use a single type of utensil. And that's why we still can't eat with a knife because that's neuter (das Messer)
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There is neither fork, nor spoon, for you are all one in Christ.
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Bel_Canto posted:this is why i get continually furious at american biblical scholarship in general. the seminaries have now been cut off for several generations from the universities, so there's been nobody to train american biblical scholars in philology, because the people who are thinking seriously about philological methodology aren't working primarily with biblical materials so they're mostly at secular universities. the result is a country full of divinity faculties where ancient languages get treated either like ciphers for english or like magic spells that will give you all the answers if you can just find the right dictionary entry. that's how undergrads treat languages and it's utterly disgraceful that people with PhDs get away with it. Mainline Protestant seminaries seem to do okay having dialogue with secular Biblical scholars and classical language experts; Catholics are really insulated, as are evangelicals. I think one of the problems with Catholic scholarship is that you have to be really careful what you say, coding everything as "just asking questions and doing experimental theology here, don't mind me" but then if you cross certain lines you're persona non grata at any Catholic seminary. If they don't just defrock and silence you. Remember what happened to McNeill? And evangelicals are pretty much in their own world doing apologetics rather than anything approaching theology or scholarship, therefore they have no need of anything that would refute their own positions. So you have this hosed up situation where the only ones who are actively engaging with secular scholarship are mainline Protestants and this is actually a recent development. What do the ossified Catholics think Thomas Aquinas was doing?
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System Metternich posted:And that's why we still can't eat with a knife because that's neuter (das Messer) Isn't that what the house eunuch is for, or do only rich people have those?
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Numerical Anxiety posted:Isn't that what the house eunuch is for, or do only rich people have those? The Phlegmatist posted:Mainline Protestant seminaries seem to do okay having dialogue with secular Biblical scholars and classical language experts; Catholics are really insulated, as are evangelicals. I think one of the problems with Catholic scholarship is that you have to be really careful what you say, coding everything as "just asking questions and doing experimental theology here, don't mind me" but then if you cross certain lines you're persona non grata at any Catholic seminary. If they don't just defrock and silence you. Remember what happened to McNeill? And evangelicals are pretty much in their own world doing apologetics rather than anything approaching theology or scholarship, therefore they have no need of anything that would refute their own positions. they have smart people, they could reengineer things on the theological front, it's just if they do they'll have to admit to themselves that many of their positions are something other than objective truth and then the whole edifice will come crashing down
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in cua's defense they HAD a good theology department, it just garnered a lot of attention and criticism so that now it's little more than apologetics, at least on the undergrad level
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System Metternich posted:http://www.liturgicalinstitute.org/liturgy-quiz 3/10. I tried. I'm training for a wedding this summer. They are the one branch of my family that didn't either go completely crazy (sedivecantist) after Vatican II or mainline atheist. They are Opus Dei and I want to make sure I'm in shape to meet their ritual specifications. I don't want it to be like my grandmother's funeral where the priest had to clarify, "'Let us Pray' is Catholic for 'Please stand up.'"
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CountFosco posted:There is neither fork, nor spoon, for you are all one in Christ. I dont remember that part of the matrix
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I got 5/10.  Two of them were kind of cheating though, I didn't look but I remembered them from other people taking the quiz in this thread.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I got 5/10. That's not cheating, that's benefiting from the merits of others 
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5/10 Now I know that the Church feels strongly about gluten
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pidan posted:Try it on mobile What a world we live in now. Didn't work on Firefox, almost worked on Lumia. Luckily my work phone is an Android one so that succeeded. 7/10 One pure guess and one educated guess, three things that are exactly the same in the Lutheran church here and two things that this thread has taught me in the past. Good thread, this. Good thread.
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5/10 I always figured it was fine as long as the stoups didn't have cigarette butts in them.
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I managed to get 5/10, which is impressive considering I've never been to mass in my entire life.
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