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Action Tortoise
Feb 18, 2012

A wolf howls.
I know how he feels.

Platystemon posted:

Sounds like something from the Creative Zen line.

Not sure. My sister had one and it was more colorful and had an LCD screen. This one had like a brushed metal covering.

Edit: hey you were right, thanks!

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Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org

Action Tortoise posted:

Not sure. My sister had one and it was more colorful and had an LCD screen. This one had like a brushed metal covering.
Dell DJ or whatever or was called? It was brushed metal, but not quite a rocker switch I think it was a wheel.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Action Tortoise posted:

I knew a friend who had a really boxy MP3 player. It was a little bigger than an old Walkman cassette player and had the iPod green and black screen. You had to use a rocker switch to scroll your selections and push it in to confirm.

I really wish I knew what model it was bc it was a cool looking thing to have. It looked like someone's concept of a cyberpunk MP3 player in contrast to Apple's minimalist design.

was it this one because I had one of these too, that thing was awesome and I got the next 2 iterations of it as well.

Action Tortoise
Feb 18, 2012

A wolf howls.
I know how he feels.
Yeah that thing was cool. Seeing the iDroid in MGSV reminded me of it, especially the pushing in of the selector.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Platystemon posted:

Sounds like something from the Creative Zen line.

I had one, I loving loved it because it fit my entire music collection on it and still had room to spare, that was quite the feat in 2004. Then the hard drive in it went kaput on me

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

Platystemon posted:

The Zune was almost certainly terrible but the only people with firsthand experience were people who ignored that reputation and made the bad decision to purchase one anyway.

Keep squirting, you crazy diamonds.

So which are you, the person who is saying it was terrible and never actually used one or the person made a bad decision to purchase one anyways?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Lowen SoDium posted:

So which are you, the person who is saying it was terrible and never actually used one or the person made a bad decision to purchase one anyways?

I didn’t say it was terrible. I said it was, and I quote (emphasis mine, but you knew that), “almost certainly terrible”.

I’ve never shot a flare gun at my genitals, but that won’t stop me from saying that that is almost certainly a terrible experience.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

I had a succession of the small Creative mp3 players that were flash drives that plugged into a special player caddy.

Edit: The MuVo series. Kept me mostly sane while working long hours without relief in a lumber yard.

Taerkar has a new favorite as of 21:36 on Mar 15, 2017

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Taerkar posted:

I had a succession of the small Creative mp3 players that were flash drives that plugged into a special player caddy.

Edit: The MuVo series. Kept me mostly sane while working long hours without relief in a lumber yard.

The muvo TX series was the best of the bunch. 2 gig capacity, doubled as a flash drive, and had a mic for recording lectures back in school.

When mine finally died in 2012 I cried.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

64MB was cutting edge when I had mine, and it could play music too!

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


My first MP3 player came with a 48MB CF card. I had a bunch of 96k filez on there, painfully transcoded in Slackware and written to the CF over parallel port in Windows.

Actually wait...I think my camera came the 48MB and the RCA Lyra or whatever came with an 8MB. I swapped them.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Action Tortoise posted:

Not sure. My sister had one and it was more colorful and had an LCD screen. This one had like a brushed metal covering.

Edit: hey you were right, thanks!



I still have mine (30Gb) and it still works great. I have since replaced it with the Sansa Clip+.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Yeah I still have a working Xtra and Touch, I always loved the blue screen on the Xtra over the green one on the regular Zen NX.

The Touch was pretty cool but not as charming as the Xtra/NX:



I also have a couple of Zen Micros that need new batteries, but worked just fine last time I checked them:


Creative's MP3 players were the best. I especially loved the really old ones that played MP3-CDs.

Horse Clocks
Dec 14, 2004


The only thing I remember about the zen I had was the awful creative software to load mp3s.

Thank gently caress vendor software was made obsolete.

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


Oops, edited my own post instead of quoting.

I'm charging my Zen now and it looks like it's doing something. Posted next to a mouse that will invalidate my opinion in a subsequent post.



Spoiler my opinion never mattered.

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GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
I had a Creative Zen, which was great until one day I unplugged and it bricked itself. If I was in a completely dark room and held it right up to my eye I could just make out something in faint red on the screen, but it was utterly unresponsive :rip:

A decade ago I had one of these 20 GB HDD players, but I can't for the life of me remember what it died of. HDD failure? Remote died?

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
But you bought that abomination of a mouse, so therefore your opinion is invalid.

I loved my Creative Zen, but now I'm reconsidering.

Kirk Vikernes
Apr 26, 2004

Count Goatnackh

I had the Zen Micro Photo 8gb and used it almost every day for about 5 years until the display went dim and the a couple months after that it just repeatedly locked up. The best sounding MP3 player I had (when it worked) was an iRiver but it was a buggy piece of crap that I had to send back.

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010

I had a Zen Vision:M for quite awhile, the fat brick one with extra storage. I would load a bunch of movies on it and just plug it into the TV with RCA cables, it was awesome. Then I tried to hack it to install a stupid font or something and bricked it.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
One of my few ventures into being an early adopter was getting a Diamond Rio PMP300, the 32MB one, and I could only fit an entire album on it if it was a short one and encoded at 96kbps or lower. It was $200. Not even 3 years later you could get a 5GB iPod for the same price. I learned a valuable lesson from the Rio. Never buy first generation anything.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Horse Clocks posted:

The only thing I remember about the zen I had was the awful creative software to load mp3s.

Thank gently caress vendor software was made obsolete.

IIRC if you enabled hard drive mode or something relatively simple you could just drag and drop folders

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
RCA X3030
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HX6SM4/


These haven't been made for years, but I saw one at a Walmart they still wanted $300 for just a year or two ago. A portable media player that had a neat little gimmick of an AV connection of some sort that let you record TV onto it.

Pingiivi
Mar 26, 2010

Straight into the iris!
I got one of these back in the day:



It's the Creative Zen Portable Media Center and it was actually pretty cool.

Krakox
Oct 9, 2012
Anyone ever have one of those gamepark 32xs? The dinky Linux game handhelds from early thousands? I bet those count as obsolete

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



I went to high school with a pair of twin brothers who each had one of these absurd things:





Circa 2004-2005, I think. Those raised bumps are a touchpad. The interface was horrible. Also they weighed a ton and definitely weren't pocket-sized. Both guys came back from christmas breaks with ipods the following year.

Vanagoon
Jan 20, 2008


Best Dead Gay Forums
on the whole Internet!
I've got a 2nd generation 4GB iPod Nano that I fished out of someone's trash on the curb a few months ago and installed Rockbox on.

Music players should all be like this, copy your files to the file system directly and access them via an onboard file system browser.



Pictures kind of suck, but it's the best my piece of poo poo phone can manage. Sorry.

Rockbox is so great.
https://www.rockbox.org/

I had a Sandisk Sansa c200 which was a piece of poo poo, but I still loved it way back in 2007. It was my first mp3 player.

I put Rockbox on it too.

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Horse Clocks
Dec 14, 2004


Kelp Me! posted:

IIRC if you enabled hard drive mode or something relatively simple you could just drag and drop folders

IIRC the "hard drive mode" was the only mode. It still required a proprietary driver that handled everything. The only standards they followed was adding the player to 'My Computer' as a drive letter. Everything else was handled by the driver. Copying, copy dialogs, 'safe removal'. It was a nightmare and I could only ever get it to work once a month.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Mammal Sauce posted:

I had the Zen Micro Photo 8gb and used it almost every day for about 5 years until the display went dim and the a couple months after that it just repeatedly locked up. The best sounding MP3 player I had (when it worked) was an iRiver but it was a buggy piece of crap that I had to send back.

I bought an iRiver after my Zen died, and then immediately sold it to someone else. Every mp3 player I've ever seen lets you navigate tracks by [artist] -> [album] -> [track]. The iRiver gave two options: [artist] -> [every track by artist], or [every album on the device] -> [track]
What a lovely UI.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Kelp Me! posted:


The Touch was pretty cool but not as charming as the Xtra/NX:




I had this thing and it was the king of roadtrips, the battery didn't ever seem to die. It's weird but I saw this picture and got hit with nostalgia really hard.

KakerMix has a new favorite as of 09:15 on Mar 16, 2017

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


I know what you mean. Good reliable hardware that you use a ton can be like that.

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



Krakox posted:

Anyone ever have one of those gamepark 32xs? The dinky Linux game handhelds from early thousands? I bet those count as obsolete

I still have mine but it's a model from about 2008-2010 and boot it up sometimes. I've used the poo poo out of it.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Haha, this thread always comes back to MP3 players!

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Scrubs.

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Wow. Someone else that has Archos kit. I have one of their 80Gb models with the color screen, dock, and WiFi.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

I still have this little fella that I used for years


Quite simple, but worked pretty well, and didnt required any special drivers or programs to copy files from/to it, which is always a big plus on my book. 20 GB storage, very good battery life, pretty small

His weak point was that little control stick , which eventually broke. If wasnt for that I would probably be still using it

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Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!

Taerkar posted:

64MB was cutting edge when I had mine, and it could play music too!
I'll occasionally turn up CF cards from old cameras from that era when I'm looking for something in a desk drawer, ranging from 16MB, came with a middlin' consumer point-and-shoot, to 256MB, issued to me by the newspaper for their Nikon D1, and generally plenty for a day's shooting, though we had a couple of 1GB IBM Microdrives in case somebody had an especially full day planned or was going off the grid for a weekend to shoot a feature on the local hermit or whatever:




We were cautioned to be very gentle with them. Didn't the original iPods have those, and were marketed to joggers, leading to a rather high rate of breakage?

For comparison, my current DSLR has two 32GB thumbnail-sized SD cards in it, that cost me as much combined as a a thousandth the space (and 1/50th the number of photos it could hold) as a 32MB card did back then. Throw the microSD card from the GoPro (with its adapter) into the rotation, and I have 96GB of storage for the big camera in like a sixth the physical size of two CF cards (a third the footprint, half as thick). Moore's Law is amazing, even if it did kinda run up against the laws of physics and flatten off lately.

To be honest, I prefer CF cards, they're easier to keep track of when you have spares, and small enough to be considered of negligible size for carrying around. OTOH, the only time I handle the pair of 32GB cards is putting them into the computer to process images, there's no swapping them on the fly -- I pretty much only dump them to a HDD and format them once a year. As opposed to every day or two for that 256MB CF card.

Compare that to 35mm film, which was the standard when I got started in photography -- for you kids, a 35mm can is about the size of a C battery and holds 24-39 frames (marketed as 24 and 36, but you can squeeze out a few extra if the camera is small and you're careful with loading):


And I own a 4x5 (that's the dimensions of the film in inches) camera, which holds two frames in a half-inch-thick plank:

Pull out the used one, slam in an unexposed one (press cameras had angled lips like the magwells on competition pistols to help guide it in), pull the dark slide, pres butan, replace the dark slide (no guide chute for the thin plastic card's slot), pull the holder out, flip, and reinsert it, pull the slide, press butan, replace slide, repeat.

There was, late in the life of the 4x5 press cameras, a six-shot quick-change film holder that telescoped out to shuffle the sheets of film like flipping through a stack of papers. Pull the dark slide, then pump it like a sideways shotgun to move the exposed frame to the back and drop a fresh one into position. Though if you didn't pull it hard enough you could jam it, and if you pulled too hard it'd come apart. And the loading procedure was a bit complicated, to put it mildly -- remember, that's performed by feel in complete darkness.

Anybody want an effortpost on the various film/digital formats? Teaser: Why DSLRs that cost less than $used car get a bonus with long lenses:

Also one of the Demigods of Photography was once fired by Life magazine for preferring a "miniature" camera -- W. Eugene Smith was an early adopter of 35mm when 4x5 Speed Graphics were the standard.

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Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry
I had an Advantix camera back in 2001 that I used on a trip to Guam and Tokyo. I remember thinking that it's ability to take wide-format photos was really cool, even though I think it was just cropping the exposure.

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

Delivery McGee posted:


Anybody want an effortpost on the various film/digital formats? Teaser: Why DSLRs that cost less than $used car get a bonus with long lenses:

Also one of the Demigods of Photography was once fired by Life magazine for preferring a "miniature" camera -- W. Eugene Smith was an early adopter of 35mm when 4x5 Speed Graphics were the standard.

APS film. There's an answer to a question no one ever asked. Drop-in loading was pretty common at that point, so was DX info.

Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!

Lowen SoDium posted:

I had an Advantix camera back in 2001 that I used on a trip to Guam and Tokyo. I remember thinking that it's ability to take wide-format photos was really cool, even though I think it was just cropping the exposure.

Y'know how stupid people complain about movies being letterboxed to fit a CRT TV? That argument was valid for APS.

PhotoKirk posted:

APS film. There's an answer to a question no one ever asked. Drop-in loading was pretty common at that point, so was DX info.
Yeah, but you at least had to get the leader aligned with the cog with 35mm, APS was true drop-in. And since it was hard to make big digital sensors at the turn of the century, they settled on APS as good enough for digital cameras, because APS was (trying to but ultimately failing to be) A Thing at the time. So it's great that my ancient battleship of a 75-300mm lens meant for an F4 is, in 35mm equivalent, 400mm on my D7000. OTOH, a fast wide lens costs $Texas -- the "normal" lens for 35mm film is 50mm, and there's tons of cheap 50mm f/1.8s from back in the day -- but that's kinda long for APS-C, where 18mm is wide and ~30mm is "normal (cf I have a 28mm Zuiko, which was the widest-angle an amateur could afford in 1972, ~the 18mm on my digital Nikon).

Nowadays, we photojournalists are shooting from the sidelines with 75-200mm zoom lenses. Back in the 4x5 days, they were shooting from the top of the press box with 600-1000mm lenses that looked more like field atrillery than cameras:

Which equates to around 200mm on 35mm film, getting a quarter of the field in a photo, and then cropping to the action, you could do that with 4x5, at least for newsprint.

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Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
I'm pretty sure that my parents should have bought stock in APS with how much they used it.

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