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Poops Mcgoots posted:Didn't some magazines use to have like, three reviewers to a game? I feel like having three numbers on a review helps remove that sense of objectivity. I haven't seen that since I stopped reading print magazines
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Harrow posted:Hah poo poo, I didn't even mean you, whoops. I was just (stupidly) wading into comments and tweets about the Jim Sterling BotW shitstorm and came across a lot of people very stubbornly arguing that a 10/10 should be impossible and therefore anyone who gave BotW a 10/10 must be dishonest, paid off, and/or have low standards. That's a fair point and one of the ones I took away from the argument a while back. If you look at a 10 as "essential" instead of "omg perfect game," it opens things up and you stop getting too pissy about some dude giving a game you don't like a 10.
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Paperhouse posted:if you really enjoy a game then I think you should say it's a good game I'm not saying that you should tell people they shouldn't bother eating it. I'm saying you should tell people it's bad, and not "well it's an objectively good tasting food, but I don't like it...". Just say "it's bad, I don't like (the flaky texture, the fishy taste, picking the bones out, the smell, etc)" and let them sort it out. Maybe they'll say "yeah me too but I eat it for the health benefits" or w/e, people are complicated.
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it would also be nice if games critics the world over would just raise their media literacy to a level approaching decent who is gaming's roger ebert
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tap my mountain posted:I don't know if I'm more surprised that Red Bull still exists in 2097 or that it existed in 1996 The very first Wipeout game back on PS1(1995) had in-game ads for Red Bull before they even sold it in the US.
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Didn't some magazines use to have like, three reviewers to a game? I feel like having three numbers on a review helps remove that sense of objectivity. The way Polygon does it, according to their review policy, is that whoever wrote the review doesn't assign a numerical score themselves. They write the text and then sit down with the editors and they figure out what score the text suggests. To me, that says they should just ditch the numbers and go for broader categories, but hey, I'm not an editor.
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Looper posted:it would also be nice if games critics the world over would just raise their media literacy to a level approaching decent oddium
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Looper posted:it would also be nice if games critics the world over would just raise their media literacy to a level approaching decent Probably actually Jeff Gerstmann.
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Didn't some magazines use to have like, three reviewers to a game? I feel like having three numbers on a review helps remove that sense of objectivity. EGM had (iirc) 4 reviewers to every "big" game and actually made it a point to put a person who didn't like the genre in one of the review spots. I kind of liked that.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Maybe the leads on Andromeda all suffer from undiagnosed cases of face blindness and this is a cry for help? Imho it looks like they're using source filmmaker to cut costs for cutscenes. Idk about a game that's g1f5. But Vampires Kiss is one of my favourite movies of all time, it's the epitome of a Nicolas Cage movie.
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jeff doesn't like majora's mask 👎
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I'm saying you should tell people it's bad, and not "well it's an objectively good tasting food, but I don't like it...". Just say "it's bad, I don't like (the flaky texture, the fishy taste, picking the bones out, the smell, etc)" and let them sort it out. Maybe they'll say "yeah me too but I eat it for the health benefits" or w/e, people are complicated. But that would be dishonest. I don't think bleu cheese is bad but I don't personally enjoy the funkiness it has. That doesn't mean it's bad. That means I don't like it. Those are two vastly different things.
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oddium posted:oddium link your blog?
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oddium posted:jeff doesn't like majora's mask 👎 And roger ebert had really bad taste in movies but he was still cool.
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Looper posted:it would also be nice if games critics the world over would just raise their media literacy to a level approaching decent I agree, but also want to point out you don't need a lot of media literacy to discuss 1-Frame Linking in the context of fighting game mechanics, or how important jungling is in the latest MOBA.
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Looper posted:it would also be nice if games critics the world over would just raise their media literacy to a level approaching decent God drat I wish. Are they over that "Citizen Kane of video games" kick yet? I suspect fully half of the people who wrote articles like that had never seen Citizen Kane, and the other half had no idea what makes Citizen Kane important and just use it as shorthand for "something good and important."
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Dewgy posted:I really like Battlefield Earth, but it's definitely not a good movie by any definition. Good lighting and set design, terrible everything else, and it's wonderfully stupid. There's something about it that just tickles me, and I know it's in no way what the creators intended. That's not bizarre, but not what I was talking about. I'm referring to people who say, eg, "Lady Gaga is my guilty pleasure" without meaning "because her music is stupid and terrible and I'm laughing at it". It's a real thing that happens. I think people should just own what they like. It's kinda sad when people feel like they have to disclaim their enjoyment.
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oddium posted:jeff doesn't like majora's mask 👎 Jeff is right.
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a kitten posted:The very first Wipeout game back on PS1(1995) had in-game ads for Red Bull before they even sold it in the US. In the late 80's/early 90's there was always an advert for Red Bull before the film when you went to the movies, I had no idea wtf it was when I was a kid.
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Harrow posted:God drat I wish. 
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bloodychill posted:EGM had (iirc) 4 reviewers to every "big" game and actually made it a point to put a person who didn't like the genre in one of the review spots. I kind of liked that. Both systems are good, because I remember that but I also remember enjoying PC Gamer and how they had reviewers who were specialized. Like if you wanted to know whether this strategy/war game was great in the context of all strategy/war games, they had a dedicated columnist for those types of games every month.
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The only fair way to name someone as gaming's Roger Ebert is to match him 1:1. So, which reviewer hates movies the most?
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G5F1 candidates papers please og bioshock dreamfall the longest journey syberia fallout new vegas this war of mine?? (just guessing i havent played it) LISA tembo the badass elephant, because of those fuckin gates G1F5 candidates FEAR 3 Singularity Alan Wake's American Nightmare RAGE Bionic Commando 09 Marlow Briggs Call of Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth The Darkness II Deadfall Adventures Judge Dredd Dredd vs Death Max Payne 3
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I agree, but also want to point out you don't need a lot of media literacy to discuss 1-Frame Linking in the context of fighting game mechanics, or how important jungling is in the latest MOBA. but those are good examples of video game literacy in the context of those genres! i think, i don't actually know what either of them are, which is why i don't feel comfortable discussing those kinds of games
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precision posted:That's not bizarre, but not what I was talking about. I'm referring to people who say, eg, "Lady Gaga is my guilty pleasure" without meaning "because her music is stupid and terrible and I'm laughing at it". Star Wars Episode 1 is a guilty pleasure for me
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precision posted:That's not bizarre, but not what I was talking about. I'm referring to people who say, eg, "Lady Gaga is my guilty pleasure" without meaning "because her music is stupid and terrible and I'm laughing at it". That's fair. I think "guilty pleasure" more means to a lot of people that it's an exception to their usual rules, but that also comes down to people being defined by the media they consume, which is pretty much equally goofy.
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Harrow posted:Are they over that "Citizen Kane of video games" kick yet? Freespace 2 came out almost two decades ago, champ
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Didn't some magazines use to have like, three reviewers to a game? I feel like having three numbers on a review helps remove that sense of objectivity. Famitsu does this but I think people complain about them always giving high scores or something Quest For Glory II posted:Max Payne 3 What's wrong with Max Payne 3
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Having to sit through the cutscenes
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Papers Please and This War of Mine are both F5G5 actually Can't really define why they're so fun to play but they are
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Help Im Alive posted:Famitsu does this but I think people complain about them always giving high scores or something They're the most blatantly paid reviewer and they don't really try to hide it anymore.
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Yeah MP3 is a solid G1F5 It'd be the greatest shooter ever made if you didn't have to sit through the same story every time
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oddium posted:the objectively perfect game is mgs3. thank you for reading actually it's ninja gaiden black
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tap my mountain posted:Yeah MP3 is a solid G1F5 metroid prime 3 isn't that fun
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MP3 had absolutely insane production values, and even though the cutscenes were a pain they were designed to mask the loading times on the 360/PS3, which was pretty brilliant. Even the weird data structure of that game was designed around being streamed from a disc, and even though it's inefficient on other platforms it was still really clever.
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New Vegas was more of a G5F2. I actually had fun shooting poo poo in that game. Deus Ex 1 might make a better G5F1.
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it should be illegal to give two games the same acronym
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i really really really really did not like the shooting in new vegas but you're right, deus ex in terms of fun has not aged well
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corn in the bible posted:metroid prime 3 isn't that fun It pains me every time people abbreviate Shadow of Mordor and I take a second to realize they're not talking about Secret of Mana.
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bloodychill posted:New Vegas was more of a G5F2. I actually had fun shooting poo poo in that game. Deus Ex 1 might make a better G5F1. actually deus ex is perfect
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