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Catfish Noodlin posted:I think the thing with safety is in this draft is that they're all pretty much specialized players. There isn't an Eric Berry who can play whatever sub position or scheme you want. Seattle could use a backup for Earl! evilweasel posted:one of them might not be the oldest but he'd be the best seasoned with a little butter and salt After the Super Bowl the whole loving league is salty.
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Every year for the last few years we've rehashed the whole safety and guard in the first or top 10 or top 15 and the argument is always raised that its only "once in an era" talents that go high and its usually wrong. Teams will take bpa according to their boards because they dont have to pay these guys poo poo in the scheme of things for 4+1 years. Its the same reason people are surprised at the money veteran role players get in free agency and the heavy 1 year deals that are going around. Financially it used to be stupid at hell to take a guard early because youd end uo having to pay a guard tackle money or a saftey like they were a tier 1 corner. If a team can take a scheme fit that will start from day 1 they're going to take them regardless of positioning in the draft.
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BlindSite posted:Every year for the last few years we've rehashed the whole safety and guard in the first or top 10 or top 15 and the argument is always raised that its only "once in an era" talents that go high and its usually wrong. This is an excellent point. The new CBA has really helped those positions out.
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Cavauro posted:which prospect would you say is the oldest maize around. taco charlton
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According to some sources Joe Mixon is climbing up draft boards. If he goes in the first round, gently caress the NFL. I would say that about any round but I don't have that much faith in the NFL.
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Ehud posted:taco charlton I've been hoping he climbs the Ravens' draft board because Taco Charlton is a jersey you buy day one.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I've been hoping he climbs the Ravens' draft board because Taco Charlton is a jersey you buy day one. It's really not. "Charlton" is a boring rear end name to plaster across your back shoulder.
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Guys 89 is trying please be nice
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So who is going to go #1?
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zimbomonkey posted:According to some sources Joe Mixon is climbing up draft boards. If he goes in the first round, gently caress the NFL. I would say that about any round but I don't have that much faith in the NFL. Panthers are gonna trade back into the first for him 
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Panthers need a RB but after a couple of high profile incidents they took a really hard stance on avoiding low character guys in the draft. It obviously isn't perfect. We still drafted Greg Hardy. But they have avoided guys who had issues in college. (Besides we are taking Fournette  )
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:So who is going to go #1? Corn Elder
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Ehud posted:Corn Elder *spits corn everyhwere* Who the- what the!
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I hope Corn Elder becomes a hall of famer because I want my son to grow up understanding why I also named him Corn Elder.
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https://twitter.com/danwiederer/status/842361958724710404 All in on Deshawn. gently caress longneck.
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Alright we all know Corn Elder is going #1 overall, but what about my boy Jake Butt?
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Butt Broke
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Amy Pole Her posted:Guys 89 is trying please be nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftAMgMvVL4
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zimbomonkey posted:According to some sources Joe Mixon is climbing up draft boards. If he goes in the first round, gently caress the NFL. I would say that about any round but I don't have that much faith in the NFL. It's lovely but the fact he did it in college and teams can argue "B-b-but second chances and he'll get a fresh start in the NFL!" will ensure he gets drafted highly.
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Defense DEs: 1. Solomon Thomas, Stanford 2. Myles Garrett, Texas A&M 3. Derek Barnett, Tennessee 4. Jonathan Allen, Alabama 5. Charles Harris, Missouri Honorable Mentions: Taco Charlton, Michigan. Carl Lawson, Auburn. Tarell Basham, Ohio. Demarcus Walker, Florida State. Deep class throughout with elite talent on top. Solomon Thomas absolutely destroyed the Pac-12 and features some of the best get off the line burst since Ware and Osi. Garrett has superb lower body and upper body strength and uses it to shed blockers with ease. Derek Barnett is a technician that has superb recognition skills for pass rushing and run stuffing. Jon Allen started all over the line for Alabama and excelled in their read and react defense. Charles Harris didn’t produce to expectations but has flashed the ability to be a relentless pursuer at the next level. Honorable mentions go deep this year and could go deeper. Features a few guys that are still putting their skills together to go with their frames, like Lawson and Walker. DTs: 1. Malik McDowell, Michigan State 2. Caleb Brantley, Florida 3. Chris Wormley, Michigan 4. Montravius Adams, Auburn 5. Larry Ogunjobi, North Carolina-Charlotte. Honorable Mentions: Elijah Qualls, Washington. Ryan Glasgow, Michigan. Dalvin Tomlinson, Alabama. Underwhelming class with a a potential superstar on top. Malik McDowell would be an undisputed top 15 selection if he didn’t get hurt and underperform at the combine, huge man who can fly through the pocket. Caleb Brantley isn’t the biggest prospect but destroys pockets with ease, needs to get better at conditioning. Chris Wormley formed part of the terrifying line Michigan had this year, not that athletically impressive but is a sound technician. Montravius Adams played all over the line for Auburn but lacked effort and skill, could be coachable. Larry Ogunjobi is a small school prospect that has scouts buzzing after his combine performance, also great production on the field, needs to get bigger though. Honorable mentions feature a few guys who helped contribute on their lines but didn’t wreck their competition enough to be considered exciting prospects. OLBs: 1. Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt 2. Haason Reddick, Temple 3. Tim Williams, Alabama 4. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA 5. T.J. Watt, Wisconsin Honorable Mentions: Ryan Anderson, Alabama. Duke Riley, LSU. Alex Anzalone, Florida. Tyus Bowser, Houston. Ben Boulware, Clemson. Deep class full of edge rushers and coverage guys. I’m afraid Cunningham is going to fool me like Curry because he’s the do-it-all for Vandy this year. Reddick is a downhill thumper that has pass rushing chops, needs to get a bit bigger. Tim Williams will probably drop a bit due to the gun charges but is a hell of a creator, can’t stick to gap assignments to save his life. McKinley is undersized and raw but has that knack ability to find the ball, probably one of the better coverage guys this year despite him being known for backfield work. T.J. Watt is a raw converted TE but is a backfield threat in run coverage and pass rushing. Honorable mentions feature a bunch of guys who could easily slide up into the top 5 due to preference. Tyus Bowser in particular blew away the combine. ILBs: 1. Reuben Foster, Alabama 2. Raekwon McMillan, Ohio State 3. Jarrad Davis, Florida 4. Ben Gedeon, Michigan 5. Vince Biegel, Wisconsin Honorable Mentions: Kendell Beckwith, LSU. Connor Harris, Lindenwood. Blair Brown, Ohio. Jordan Evans, Oklahoma. Good top three in this class with mostly converted guys for the 3-4 at the next level. Foster pretty much manned the middle for Bama which requires a ton of motor, consistently made plays but might be slotted outside at the next level. McMillan was all over the field for Ohio State even though he isn’t the most agile guy. Jarrad Davis is undersized but destroys the backfield, will have problems in coverage which might slide him over to the strong side. Ben Gedeon is going to get a lot of white LB superlatives and it’s probably right, was the guy who picked up all the tackles Michigan’s front four couldn’t get. Biegel was Wisconsin’s weakside guy last year but he probably slides inside for the 3-4, downhill guy with good get off. Honorable mentions feature a few small school guys that are getting hype and poor Kendell Beckwith who was one of the first prospects to tear their ACL during the draft process! CBs: 1. Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State 2. Marlon Humphrey, Alabama 3. Teez Tabor, Florida 4. Kevin King, Washington 5. Tre’Davious White, LSU Honorable Mentions: Adoree Jackson, USC. Sidney Jones, Washington. Fabian Moreau, UCLA. Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson. Gareon Conley, Ohio State. Jordan Lewis, Michigan. Allstar potential at the top and incredibly deep class throughout. Lattimore combines top tier athleticism and football IQ despite relatively shallow playtime. Marlon Humphrey is a long armed, big bodied DB with tiny hands which is why he’s a DB, can pretty much stick with any deep threat receiver. Teez Tabor had a rough combine which exposed his lack of speed but makes up for it with his short yardage game which is becoming more and more prevalent in today’s NFL. Kevin King was perhaps one of the most impressive athletes at the combine that can stick inside or out, but didn’t look that great on film this year. Tre’Davious White is a classic man corner that can stay with the best of them but might have trouble at the next level with taller downfield threats. Honorable mentions could all interchange behind Humphrey due to team preference, and Sidney Jones would be challenging Lattimore for best CB in the draft if he didn’t tear his ACL. Just an unbelievably deep year for CBs. FSs: 1. Malik Hooker, Ohio State 2. Budda Baker, Washington 3. Desmond King, Iowa 4. Xavier Woods, Louisiana Tech 5. Marcus Williams, Utah Honorable Mentions: Marcus Maye, Florida. John Johnson, Boston College. Rayshawn Jenkins, Miami. Thin class but good talent at the top. Malik Hooker is incredibly raw but has great closing speed to go along with his size. Budda Baker is the Earl Thomas of Washington’s ultra talented DB group, undersized but finds his way to the ball no matter what. Desmond King is a ballhawk that will have problems finding a position as he’s a bit of a tweener between slot, FS, and SS. Xavier Woods has the same problem and will probably bounce between FS or SS as he finds his position, more of a tackler than a cover man. Marcus Williams is a bad tackler for someone his size but is a do-it-all guy with decent speed and pretty great football smarts. Honorable mentions are two guys who tested well, I dunno, I’m tired. SSs: 1. Jamal Adams, LSU 2. Obi Melifonwu, Connecticut 3. Jabrill Peppers, Michigan 4. Josh Jones, N.C. State 5. Eddie Jackson, Alabama Honorable Mentions: Shalom Luani, Washington State. Jadar Johnson, Clemson. Delano Hill, Michigan. Montae Nicholson, Michigan State. Solid class with superstar potential on top. Jamal Adams was the king of LSU this season despite having Fournette on the team, absolute demolisher in the open field and can cover deep routes. Obi Melifonwu rivaled Kevin King’s performance at the combine, maybe it was better, huge man who moves like a WR and tackle machine. Jabrill Peppers is a tweener who tested great but has production questions, kind of allowed to roam free in Michigan’s defense but didn’t produce a lot. Josh Jones is a huge hitter and decent at coverage, kind of still learning the game and where to be at times. Eddie Jackson got hurt and couldn’t fully participate in the combine, didn’t do much in Bama but wasn’t asked to do much. Honorable mentions are raw big guys who are still putting their game together, like Hill and Johnson.
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Why is everybody down on Humphrey? Maybe it's just /eagles being a bunch of babies cause Sidney Jones went down (pick him up later in the draft, roll out Humphrey & Sidney Jones next year, gently caress it)
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89 posted:Why is everybody down on Humphrey? Maybe it's just /eagles being a bunch of babies cause Sidney Jones went down (pick him up later in the draft, roll out Humphrey & Sidney Jones next year, gently caress it) Cuz humphrey gets styled on and he's going to be okay but not great imo
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89 posted:1st rounders most likely to bust? (Non QB) ftfy Man, how was the 2013 draft SO INCREDIBLY BAD? Asproigerosis fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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89 posted:Why is everybody down on Humphrey? Maybe it's just /eagles being a bunch of babies cause Sidney Jones went down (pick him up later in the draft, roll out Humphrey & Sidney Jones next year, gently caress it) there was never really a year where he was the best corner on the team unless they were just not throwing at anthony averett because he had safety help
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Budda Baker is super-underrated on this year's Best Football Name power rankings
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89 posted:And who's Gareon Conley? He's a name I'm seeing rising into the first round #1 CB for Ohio State this year. Not as athletically gifted as Marshon Lattimore, but surprised a lot of people with a real good combine. Played well on the outside, but was forced to move to the slot because their #3 corner struggled there.
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I feel like 3 of the Cowboys' first 4 picks need to be defense. Doltos, what are the odds that Jordan Willis will still be there in the 3rd and 4th rounds?
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John Brown posted:I feel like 3 of the Cowboys' first 4 picks need to be defense. Doltos, what are the odds that Jordan Willis will still be there in the 3rd and 4th rounds? He's one of those guys that tested great at the combine but doesn't play great. Usually guys who test well get taken before the 4th regardless of their college production. Predicting team valuations is so tough so generally if I say a guy is a top 100 player and he's taken somewhere between the second and late third then he fell into the 50-96 range and that's fine. The differences between all these elite athletes really is that intangible knack to play football. I'd almost always rather grab a guy who plays great and tests worse worse than a workout warrior over the workout warrior. And even then you can constantly be wrong with guys who were underwhelming in college but turned it on in the pros, I.E. everyone who's ever been successful when selected outside of the top 50 but tested well.
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Doltos posted:I'd almost always rather grab a guy who plays great and tests worse worse than a workout warrior over the workout warrior. You have Fournette ranked higher than Cook even though Cook seems like the guy that has more instinct. Is it just because Fournette is that much more physical? Also, does Fournette need a good line in front of him? Also, who is the best fourth round and later receiver that compares well to Calvin Johnson
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darkforce898 posted:You have Fournette ranked higher than Cook even though Cook seems like the guy that has more instinct. Is it just because Fournette is that much more physical? Fournette has plenty of instinct. So does Cook. I'm leaning towards Fournette because Cook is a one cut runner who's good in the open field while Fournette's style of running is a remarkable blend of speed and power. Fournette most likely needs a good line in front of him, Cook will probably be more consistent. Both will probably be outperformed by some lovely 5th round RB because football gods are fickle. Bigger WRs down the road in this draft are Robert Davis, Krishawn Hogan, Jamari Staples, and Kenny Golladay.
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So Doltos is like our TFF Mayock
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89 posted:So Doltos is like our TFF Mayock Why because they both make you want to punch your screen?
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Intruder posted:I can't see this clip without thinking of that Evan Turner edit anymore That video is so perfect, it is just as good as the check out buddy video
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Doltos is really bad at scouting and predictions, but so is basically everyone and at least it fosters discussion.
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good luck with that https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/838225107768197120
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 The 2017 Goon Draft thread is here! Pick your teams and we can hopefully get this thing rolling in about a week or so.
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ragle posted:good luck with that Cook is apparently a production vs combine measurables guy now, which is pretty stunning to me. His film is very, very good. I expected him to test really well...and that did not happen. I figure he'll still go relatively high, but I guess we'll see. And then see how that film transfers to the NFL.
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