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precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Crazycryodude posted:

Yeah I'm betting on this being at least one of the minor "twists" or plot points or whatever. The timing of a massive lifeboat initiative launching less than a year before the Reapers arrive is just way too perfect to be a coincidence.

Cora has the same last name as The Illusive Man, and this being Bioware, there is literally zero chance that's a coincidence.

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Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

2house2fly posted:

Yeah, the frog people who can punch hard will take over the galaxy. Our intergalactic warships are no match for their strong punching.

The frog people who are comically durable and can settle drat near anywhere and breed faster than everyone else by orders of magnitude yeah

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Captain Oblivious posted:

Why would the Andromeda Initiative be about escaping the Reapers when

A) Very few people know or believe the Reapers exist before ME3 and by then it's too late for a project of this scope

B) The whole point of Andromeda is to flush the reviled parts of the franchise. Such as Reapers

Like yeah probably a few higher ups or investors knew but that's about it

Probably wasn't INITIALLY about escaping the Reapers, but the usual suspects (probably Cerberus) suddenly dumping piles of resources into it after hearing about the Reapers seems totally possible.

Porpoise With A Purpose
Feb 28, 2006

I dont think anyone hated the reapers as villains. It was that stupid little boy that really rustled jimmies.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Captain Oblivious posted:

Why would the Andromeda Initiative be about escaping the Reapers when

A) Very few people know or believe the Reapers exist before ME3 and by then it's too late for a project of this scope

B) The whole point of Andromeda is to flush the reviled parts of the franchise. Such as Reapers

Because it makes a hell of a lot more sense than this:

*one day after humans activate the charon relay and discover a whole bunch of poo poo about the galaxy*

Jien Garson: I'm so bored with the Milky Way, with the crazy alien species, galactic community, and Relay gates giving us easy and quick access to places we could never reach in realistic timeframes before. gently caress it, let's head to Andromeda!

And she somehow has enough money, power and clout to not only do that but get aliens onboard, while humans are still basically babies by comparison. It is incredibly stupid.

Mymla
Aug 12, 2010

2house2fly posted:

Yeah, the frog people who can punch hard will take over the galaxy. Our intergalactic warships are no match for their strong punching.

Yeah, they probably would've lost if they tried to take on the rest of the galaxy, but the salarians would rather it not come to that, so they choose the superior option over World Galaxy War Three and invented the genophage.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

2house2fly posted:

Yeah, the frog people who can punch hard will take over the galaxy. Our intergalactic warships are no match for their strong punching.

Well when the Krogan would have had a manpower advantage of literally "thousands to one", one presumes that they could invent and build far more ships than anyone else by virtue of, again, having thousands of times more people working on them

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Serf posted:

Because it makes a hell of a lot more sense than this:

*one day after humans activate the charon relay and discover a whole bunch of poo poo about the galaxy*

Jien Garson: I'm so bored with the Milky Way, with the crazy alien species, galactic community, and Relay gates giving us easy and quick access to places we could never reach in realistic timeframes before. gently caress it, let's head to Andromeda!

And she somehow has enough money, power and clout to not only do that but get aliens onboard, while humans are still basically babies by comparison. It is incredibly stupid.

Also this.

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



Crazycryodude posted:

Probably wasn't INITIALLY about escaping the Reapers, but the usual suspects (probably Cerberus) suddenly dumping piles of resources into it after hearing about the Reapers seems totally possible.

Yeah half the people you meet talk about how they signed on because your dad was such a dreamer and visionary - Cerberus taking advantage of that and secretly dumping a bunch of money into the project (and maybe getting some of its own people/tech in) doesn't seem out of the question.

lol if it turns out SAM is somehow based on the same reaper tech used to turn Shepard's corpse into a terminator.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
Also gives Krogans a stronger vote by sheer numbers which is why I recommend enacting the 1/1000th vote act to curtail them.

Mymla
Aug 12, 2010
The one thousandth compromise.

Serf
May 5, 2011


If the Andromeda Initiative had been this huge thing already planned by one of the Council species that humanity had just piggybacked off of that would also make a lot more sense.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
I hear the lake on the Nexus is filled with fish.

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

Hoo boy, that first encrypted memory is some sort of inadvertent homage to The Room's celebrated breast cancer dialogue scene

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

precision posted:

Well when the Krogan would have had a manpower advantage of literally "thousands to one", one presumes that they could invent and build far more ships than anyone else by virtue of, again, having thousands of times more people working on them

They couldn't invent their own ships because they were tribals squatting in radioactive craters until the salarians gave them guns. If they also gave them warship blueprints then they'd have a harder time, assuming the salarians use manual labour to build their ships and not robots

Cowcaster
Aug 7, 2002



the whole andromeda initiative was actually just a hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy-esque ploy to pack everyone with a broken face into a big ship and shoot them into another galaxy

Serf
May 5, 2011


Wait, why am I talking about things making sense in a game where the asari exist. Never mind.

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

It is so much fun to send a push at a dude and watch him fly off a cliff or a bridge.

chami
Mar 28, 2011

Keep it classy, boys~
Fun Shoe

Hulk Krogan posted:

Yeah half the people you meet talk about how they signed on because your dad was such a dreamer and visionary - Cerberus taking advantage of that and secretly dumping a bunch of money into the project (and maybe getting some of its own people/tech in) doesn't seem out of the question.

lol if it turns out SAM is somehow based on the same reaper tech used to turn Shepard's corpse into a terminator.

I really wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus has a hand in creating SAM, given everyone else's aversion to messing with AI.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
SAM... TIM... holy poo poo...

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


SAM, TIM, and EDI. Cerberus really likes 3 letter acronyms that sound like names.

Serf
May 5, 2011


If the game is gonna have a focus on artificial intelligence like some people are speculating, naming the main group in the game the Andromeda Initiative was a real boneheaded move too.

Mymla
Aug 12, 2010

Serf posted:

If the Andromeda Initiative had been this huge thing already planned by one of the Council species that humanity had just piggybacked off of that would also make a lot more sense.

I was extremely surprised when I learned that this wasn't the case.

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



2house2fly posted:

They couldn't invent their own ships because they were tribals squatting in radioactive craters until the salarians gave them guns. If they also gave them warship blueprints then they'd have a harder time, assuming the salarians use manual labour to build their ships and not robots

I vaguely remember something from either ME2 or ME3 about the Krogans redirecting asteroids to use as interplanetary ballistic missiles when they were at war with the other council races - am I confusing that with some other half-baked sci fi thing?

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Hulk Krogan posted:

I vaguely remember something from either ME2 or ME3 about the Krogans redirecting asteroids to use as interplanetary ballistic missiles when they were at war with the other council races - am I confusing that with some other half-baked sci fi thing?

No but famously The Moon is a Harsh Mistress used that, as well as Babylon 5 and probably who knows what else.

EDIT: and of course Bring Down The Sky

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009

Hulk Krogan posted:

I vaguely remember something from either ME2 or ME3 about the Krogans redirecting asteroids to use as interplanetary ballistic missiles when they were at war with the other council races - am I confusing that with some other half-baked sci fi thing?

Yeah, the Krogan destroyed three Turian worlds with asteroid strikes. This is of course after they started the war by settling on worlds already settled by other council species and then dared the Asari and Salarians to take their worlds back.

AngryBooch fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Mar 17, 2017

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

Basic Chunnel posted:

Hoo boy, that first encrypted memory is some sort of inadvertent homage to The Room's celebrated breast cancer dialogue scene

Yeah, the memory itself is fine for what it is (aka exposition for your Dad's dark AI secret) but the end, with the weird pan over to MomRyder on the screen going "HEY YO I'M DYING" was almost goofy in its delivery.

TEENAGE WITCH
Jul 20, 2008

NAH LAD
the opening would be v. cinematic and good if it was the andromeda initiative escaping a war torn earth with explosions goin off in the distance and the reapers encroaching instead u

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Hulk Krogan posted:

I vaguely remember something from either ME2 or ME3 about the Krogans redirecting asteroids to use as interplanetary ballistic missiles when they were at war with the other council races - am I confusing that with some other half-baked sci fi thing?

That's propaganda in Starship Troopers my dude

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Porpoise With A Purpose posted:

I dont think anyone hated the reapers as villains. It was that stupid little boy that really rustled jimmies.

Nah they were lame. ME1 presents them as these super all-destroying all-powerful monstrosities where in order to kill even one of them, it takes the combined might of all the council races, and even then it only worked because sovereign lost its mindmeld with saren or whatever and it got weakened.

Then in ME3 when they finally get around to showing up in force the writers were stuck with the question of "so uh, how do you fight a fleet of these things" and the answer is apparently "what if there was a big army and a maguffin"

blackmongoose
Mar 31, 2011

DARK INFERNO ROOK!

AngryBooch posted:

Yeah, the Krogan destroyed three Turian worlds with asteroid strikes. This is of course after they started the war by settling on worlds already settled by other council species and then dared the Asari and Salarian's to take their worlds back.

This gets mentioned approximately once ever in a codex entry because "both sides committed war crimes" is too morally complex

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

The reapers should have been the game over state, like if you fail they get here. The games should have been all about keeping them away. All you had to say was it was too hard to get here conventionally so they are using their slaves in the galaxy to build a gateway or something. I hope they took away that lesson of not making you villains too strong.

Serf
May 5, 2011


I liked the Reapers. I would've liked them better if they had gone with the initial direction for the story with them being dark energy watchdogs or whatever.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
The big army doesn't really do much except serve as a distraction while they plug the crucible in and override the catalyst's core programming so it follows the instructions of the next organic it sees display such free will and determination that the reapers decide organics are ready to ascend to the next level of existence

TEENAGE WITCH
Jul 20, 2008

NAH LAD
late at night i still hear the rebel yell of mass effect 3 ending

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



blackmongoose posted:

This gets mentioned approximately once ever in a codex entry because "both sides committed war crimes" is too morally complex

I could be wrong, but I think Garrus mentions it during his recruitment mission in ME3. I played a bit of that recently and I'm pretty sure that's why I remembered it at all.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
Trip report five hours in:

I made fun of the streamers earlier in the thread for being lovely players, but...this game is actually pretty hard. It's fun and I look forward to having these encounters, but boy...I thought I'd be able to tackle this first playthrough on hardcore, and changed my mind about thirty minutes in. It's especially frustrating in the first map of the game when you haven't gotten your powers and profiles yet and are still getting used to all the new systems. Gaining three or four levels definitely starts to even out the playing field, but even so the game is still punishing and difficult to grasp for my scrub self. Because the environment is so "open world," the minute you step out of cover you're bombarded with fire from 360 degrees, and cover itself is finicky and cursory when the enemies can and will flank you at any opportunity. Enemies show up on your radar, but your radar is this one-dimensional Skyrim-compass thing that's largely useless in this three-dimensional environment. Make one mistake and you might as well just manually reload and save yourself the trouble of dying. Your squadmates are surprisingly durable to all but "boss"-tier enemies, but I've still kinda settled on jump-packing on top of tall structures and picking off enemies one by one when they try to climb up.

I'm not loving the Nomad. It may be just a matter of having to get used to it because I can't really say anything specific that I would change about it if I could, but something about the mechanics is just not fun to me. Whenever I'm in it, I just look forward to the next time I can get out and start dealing with the incredibly hard, punishing combat again.

Animation is seriously not as bad as the dank memes are making it out to be. The faces could look better but very, very few of them are as distracting as the rightly-maligned Dead Eyed Woman. You'll encounter some janky issues maybe once every three or four hours. With that said, let me now contribute to the dank memes:


Of the characters, I like Vetra and Cora so far, while Liam seems a bit forced and bland. I actually find myself sympathizing with the Kumail Nanjiani Salarian, but yeah his acting is distracting.

Bug report: there seems to be something wrong with skipping conversations, but only when you're doing the "ask this person about all these topics" dialogue wheel thing, and not in cutscenes or one-off dialogues, and even then it seems inconsistent. Basically, you'll press the skip button once and it'll skip two lines of dialogue and not just one...except when it doesn't. But hey, you didn't wanna hear all that dialogue anyway right? That's why you skipped it? :downs: Not sure if it's just happening to me or not; I am using the controller instead of keyboard and mouse.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


TEENAGE WITCH posted:

the opening would be v. cinematic and good if it was the andromeda initiative escaping a war torn earth with explosions goin off in the distance and the reapers encroaching instead u



This is probably more accurate to how someone would look after 600 years than the default face.

Especially if he had a big pile of cocaine in his cryo pod.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:

Especially if he had a big pile of cocaine in his cryo pod.

lol @ anyone who didnt take any for the road

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BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
is it a knock off MMO with re-spawning enemies like DA:I?

is the game good yet?

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