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Mar 17, 2017 21:48
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Yes Flora. You must do the noble thing and die for betraying your sister and friends, by horrifically burning yourself in front of them, no doubt traumatising them even further, you melodramatic, self righteous, twat. Gotta love how due to the tone, it's the clean, dignified burning away, where the body disappears into the ether. Funnily, when I played this, shortly after I got to an event in The Witcher 3 where you witness a public burning, where they're left as charred husks. Seeing them back to back was... a bit of contrast to say the least.
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Mar 17, 2017 21:50
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Corrin, if there ever was a need for you to walk into a fire and punch some sense into someone that was it why didn't you do that now her sister with the flaming shurikens and MAG score that rivals dedicated mages is sad i don't think you want her to be sad plus you're a dragon you could have dragon-punched some sense there
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Mar 17, 2017 21:51
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 I heard about the self-immolation scene before, but I did not expect it to be so stupid.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:01
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The fact that there's so much snow around and you have a water dragon thing nearby doesn't help. Especially since it was specifically being on fire that was the problem.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:09
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It was a magic fire, you can't expect to be able to put it out.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:27
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Argent Cinereus posted:The fact that there's so much snow around and you have a water dragon thing nearby doesn't help. Especially since it was specifically being on fire that was the problem.  " joke angle), this needed at least another pass through the editing department because it requires, once again, everyone to be an idiot to work. And if that's the best way a writer and/or editor can make a scene work, then it is a bad scene and needs to be scrapped. If the intent was to have a tragic death, than don't have it be so painfully stupid; have say, Iago poof in and try to kill Corrin, but Flora shields him and gets mortally wounded in the process. Yes, the scene is still bad, but it's now mildly bad and flows slightly more smoothly and is not mind-numbingly dumb bad.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:58
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Or he forced her with another magical explodo-evil sword.
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Mar 17, 2017 23:08
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i dont even get why flora has to die here, she's barely even been in the game so it's not like her death is that affecting.
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Mar 18, 2017 00:11
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Endorph posted:i dont even get why flora has to die here, she's barely even been in the game so it's not like her death is that affecting. No but don't you see how heartbroken our protagonists are over this tragic loss of a maid who thought burning herself to death was a honorable way to go. Look how sad they are, clearly you should be sad as well! Incidentally, I think it was around this point that I stopped playing this dumb game.
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Mar 18, 2017 00:23
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Yeaaah, I seem to recall mentioning during the Kaze scene that there was an even more idiotic one coming - this would be it. It is so incredibly contrived and nonsensical that there's really nothing to say. You just stare at it, go "huh" and move on. ...And yet a huge portion of Conquest's plot STILL manages to be dumber.
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Mar 18, 2017 00:23
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Class Overview and Promotion.jpg)  Dread Fighter Pair-up Bonus: +2 STR/SPD, +4 RES Weapon rank: Swords (A), Axes (B), Hidden Tools (B) Skills: (lvl 1) Even Keel-During even-numbered Turns, magical damage received -4 (lvl 10) Iron Will-When enemy triggers the battle, magical damage received -4 (lvl 25) Clarity-User recovers from status reduction effects twice as fast (lvl 35) Aggressor-When user triggers the battle, Damage +7 Rinkah's new growth HP: 35 STR: 40 MAG: 20 SKL: 55 SPD: 60 LCK: 35 DEF: 50 RES: 40 Dread Fighters pride themselves in having weapon triangle advantage and telling mages to get off their lawn. While the payoff in the end is Agressor which massively boosts damage, Dread Fighter benefits a character by being a promoted class and having stronger HP/STR growths than a Ninja class if you want a bulkier Hidden Tool user. Rinkah honestly didn't get too much better growth-wise, but her steroids will keep her extremely relevant thanks to her PSkill and combo of Shurikens/Bolt Axe. Hoshido Noble  Pair-up Bonus: +2 STR/DEF/LCK, +1 SKL/SPD Weapon rank: Swords (A), Staves (B), Stones (A) Skills: (lvl 5) Dragon Ward-Allies adjacent to the user have a Luck x 0.5% chance of receiving half damage from enemy attacks (lvl 15) Hoshidan Unity-Adds 10% to skill activation rates Hoshido Noble is...kind of a boring promotion. It gains staves for healing, which is fine because Corrin has a decent magic growth. The skills are kinda blah to not reliable, which looks more to be like you should Corrin around at this point via the class change seals. Spear Master   Pair-up Bonus: +3 STR/SKL, +2 SPD Weapon rank: Spears (S) Skills: (lvl 5) Seal Speed-After battle, enemy’s Speed -6 (lvl 15) Lancefaire-When user is equipped with a Lance, damage +5 during battle If you thought Oboro was one of the dangerous defensive units before, now she effectively increases everyone's damage by 6 and gives Darting Blow to future attackers. Not to mention that Spear Master finishes strong with a flat +5 damage which is useful with so many good classes in Hoshido use Naginatas. Falcon Knight   Pair-up Bonus: +3 SPD/RES Weapon rank: Spears (A), Staves (B) Skills: (lvl 5) Rally Speed-Speed +4 to all allies within a 2 tile radius for one Turn when the “Rally” command is used (lvl 15) Warding Blow-When user triggers the battle, magical damage received -20 Falcon Knights are still Sky Knights, just bigger and better with a great Rally Skill that boosts everyone else's killing potential. Between Oboro and Hinoka, even Orochi can double enemies! I would like to see what enemy is required to damage a Falcon Knight's Warding Blow considering they sport high resistance already. Mechanist   Pair-up Bonus: +2 STR/SKL/DEF/RES Weapon rank: Hidden Tools (A), Bows (B) Skills: (lvl 5) Golembane-Attacks are effective against Mechanists, Automatons and Stoneborn (lvl 15) Replicate-Select the “Replicate” command once per map to create a replica with the same appearance, stats, inventory and HP as the user (Anything that happens to the replica happens to the user and vice versa–even death) Mechanists are useful for being mounted Ninjas, and have a niche case to be super powerful against specific monsters. Oh, who am I kidding? Mechanists are arguably one of the best class in the game because of Replicate. You have two units, which means more Debuff/Poison-Striking or more pair-up fodder with its excellent pair-up bonuses. It is Fate's version of Galeforce, possibly even better because it's useful all the time and much more flexible in contributing towards the mission. Great Knight   Pair-up Bonus: +2 STR, +4 DEF Weapon rank: Swords (B), Lances (A), Axes (B) Skills: (lvl 5) Luna-Skill% chance of ignoring half the enemy’s Defence (if user has a physical weapon) or Resistance (if user has a magical weapon) (lvl 15) Armored Blow-When user triggers the battle, physical damage received -10 Great Knights are beefy and they have many weapons to choose from. They also house the returning best attack skill from Awakening with Luna, felling any opponent quickly, although nerfed a bit since dual attacks don't trigger abilities. The main weakness of Great Knights are that they house two weaknesses in beast and armor, so mind the enemy weapons when charging ahead with Silas.
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Mar 18, 2017 00:57
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Lord Koth posted:...And yet a huge portion of Conquest's plot STILL manages to be dumber. Considering how Conquest literally involves siding with the guy who tried to kill you TWICE using a cursed sword (the first attempt being PILEDRIVING YOU INTO A BOTTOMLESS PIT), that's easy to believe. I mean, if I was Corrin I would've asked for a new sword after that first incident; clearly you can't trust a weapon that tries to kill its wielder. Too bad Corrin's dumber than a rock. Anyway, I honestly had trouble getting started on this stage my first play-through because I kinda like Flora, and I knew what was coming. If I'd known it was so stupid I probably would've just skipped the cutscenes and just gotten it over with... I mean really, literally the only reason Flora doesn't defect to your side here is an overgrown martyr complex. On a side note, that "two weaknesses" thing is a significant part of the reason I always switch Silas to Paladin for his final class; Great Knight has good skills and the entire weapon triangle, true, but I'd rather not have to deal with Hammer-type weapons in addition to Beastkillers, and while I like the idea of triangle advantage over EVERYONE (I tend to give weapon-locked units Dual weapons if possible, and everyone else always gets at least one of every weapon type they can use), it's just not worth the drawbacks. The fact that Paladin gets +1 Movement relative to Great Knight just cements it.
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Mar 18, 2017 01:16
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I think have all three weapons in the triangle isn't as good as it sounds on paper, since you can't really maintain good ranks in three different weapons at once. As long as you have two different weapons so you can at least stay neutral at all times, that's good enough. That, combined with great knights having two weaknesses is kind of a problem. On the other hand, great knights loving rule and I will not hear otherwise. 
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Mar 18, 2017 01:20
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inthesto posted:I think have all three weapons in the triangle isn't as good as it sounds on paper, since you can't really maintain good ranks in three different weapons at once. As long as you have two different weapons so you can at least stay neutral at all times, that's good enough. The whole weapon triangle control thing isn't a great deal since you're starting with Bronze, but on Birthright you get a ton of money so it's fairly trivial to forge a super bronze axe. And also on Birthright, enemies are hardly ever packing effective damage weapons, so Great Knight Silias' main flaw is being slightly worse at taking magic hits, which is pretty trivial when your only tank options are Scarlet, Rinkah, and Guard Naginata Oboro.
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Mar 18, 2017 01:33
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UUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH THE FLORA SCENE WHY INT SYS WHY UGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH On the subject of Great Knight vs. Paladin, Birthright has a minor problem of a lot of characters on it being made of glass, so I went Great Knight there so that I could have a solid tank. On Conquest, however, I went Paladin for Silas (You get another Cavalier and two Knights who can also go Great Knight, so it matters less) because I went and married him (like Tae, went Cover Canon) and he will always be Femui's knight in shining armor (for all the writing criticisms, I actually find the Silas x F!Corrin support chain really sweet and heartwarming).
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Mar 18, 2017 01:38
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inthesto posted:I think have all three weapons in the triangle isn't as good as it sounds on paper, since you can't really maintain good ranks in three different weapons at once. As long as you have two different weapons so you can at least stay neutral at all times, that's good enough. The loss of Discipline hurt the Cavaliers going into Great Knight. However, you don't really need axes, just the skills that come with Great Knight. Silas went Great Knight in my Conquest run and he barely made it to C rank axes before the end of the game.
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Mar 18, 2017 01:44
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My absolute favorite part of Flora's idiotic death scene is Jakob yelling "SOMEONE GET SOME WATER" while everyone involved is standing in the middle of a snowstorm, next to a giant lake. Also the way she stands ABSOLUTELY STILL the entire time. LordHippoman fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Mar 18, 2017 01:51
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Warding Blow seems okay, but on Falcon Knights it's just superfluous. They have high Resistance already and if a magic user survives the first attack, a Falcon Knight is probably going to land a follow-up thanks to their equally good Speed. It's almost like IntSys ran out of classes to put the skill on and dumped it on Falcon Knight to make up for Lancefaire moving over to Spear Masters. I will echo the praise for Dread Fighter. It is a very good special class, as shuriken access mean you can just toss a single Iron or Steel Shuriken to a Dread Fighter for their ranged/anti-tome option and let the rest of the loadout be more diverse among the sword and axe options.
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Mar 18, 2017 01:57
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LordHippoman posted:My absolute favorite part of Flora's idiotic death scene is Jakob yelling "SOMEONE GET SOME WATER" while everyone involved is standing in the middle of a snowstorm, next to a giant lake. The snowstorm apparently isn't ENOUGH water (doesn't water expand when it freezes?), and you just froze the lake so that's no good either. It's still stupid.
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Mar 18, 2017 01:58
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Carlioo posted:No but don't you see how heartbroken our protagonists are over this tragic loss of a maid who thought burning herself to death was a honorable way to go. Look how sad they are, clearly you should be sad as well! I literally do not know why Flora set herself on fire. It'd be one thing if she'd actively hurt the party somehow or had been an antagonist for half the game, but she just showed up, tossed two dozen dudes at you, then killed herself. what does she have to feel so guilty over? takumi did worse than that the five seconds he was possessed by ??? back in chapter 10.
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Mar 18, 2017 02:02
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Flora's village will be destroyed if she fails to kill Corrin. She failed to kill Corrin, thus making the situation of literally no downside to joining Corrin's team because either the village is saved via beating Garon, or Garon doesn't follow up his threat which both makes her death pointless. Nothing other than BUSHIDO FLAME HONOR makes this sensible. By a Nohr Maid. I'm also thinking of just rolling dice for marriages at this point because I haven't finished all the C Supports.
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Mar 18, 2017 02:15
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Hoshido Noble is an excellent class, entirely for its second skill. That +10% skill activation is just straight up added on after all other calculations. Have 10 skill and Luna? Your Luna has a 5% chance to activate. Add Hoshidan Unity to that and you now have a 15% chance to get Luna off with your measly 10 skill. Well worth getting, and it synergizes perfectly with another skill for shenanigans.
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Mar 18, 2017 02:24
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Tae posted:Flora's village will be destroyed if she fails to kill Corrin. She failed to kill Corrin, thus making the situation of literally no downside to joining Corrin's team because either the village is saved via beating Garon, or Garon doesn't follow up his threat which both makes her death pointless. And in another game with a different villain, that might even be convincing. But, uh, not this one. At least I got a chuckle out of, "Water magic isn't working on this magic fire! Quick, someone get mundane water, the one thing that will definitely put out a magic fire!"
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Mar 18, 2017 03:29
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Tae posted:I'm also thinking of just rolling dice for marriages at this point because I haven't finished all the C Supports. Picking marriages from a hat sounds like a great idea that will not in any way make your job as an LPer harder.  What I'm saying is you should totally do this. Melomane Mallet fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Mar 18, 2017 04:06
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Corrin X Kagero OTP: United in hitting their improbable growths far more than statistically probable! I mean, everyone else should totally go in the hat for maximum 'what' factor.
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Mar 18, 2017 04:12
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Marry Rinkah.
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Mar 18, 2017 04:18
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Corrin marries Scarlet, or else he doesn't get married for a long time.
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Mar 18, 2017 04:37
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MightyPretenders posted:Corrin marries Scarlet, or else he doesn't get married for a long time. Seconding this, because Scarlet owns and she deserves it. Plus, it's Birthright. It's not like we need to optimize the kids.
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Mar 18, 2017 04:42
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I'm rolling a die to avoid the problem that I'm still only on C support. I'll show off B-A-S for whatever's rolled. Now I just need to find a 13 sided die..... ------------------------------------ C Support   I was hoping you would have some brotherly insight.  Maybe you shouldn't be so peppy when you're trying to do the laundry!  We'll have you in fighting shape in no time.  What are you doing playing merchant?
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Mar 18, 2017 04:46
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Just use random.org.
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Mar 18, 2017 04:49
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Tae posted:
Well, Kaze and Kagero are apparently bonding over the fact that Saizo's impossible to get along with... Also, I think one line you've got a Kaze picture next to might actually be said by Kagero. Tae posted:
Mozu isn't very confident in herself. Kind of at odds with her stats at this point, really- she tends to be pretty high-tier. Tae posted:
Certainly explains why Oboro's alternate class is Apothecary (which promotes to Merchant), doesn't it? By the way, regarding my new run: While I'll admit I'm drastically overlevelled (everyone who can use a staff is 20/20 right now), I have no idea what happened to my Orochi. I mean, she's got 36 HP, 21 Speed, and 17 Defense- THERE'S a "who are you, what did you do with the real Orochi, and how the HELL are you that durable?!" unit there (I've seen FRONT-LINERS flimsier than her!). And no, I didn't use stat boosters on her- all that durability is actually NATURAL.
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Mar 18, 2017 06:40
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That Fiona death scene there simply are no words.
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Mar 18, 2017 06:46
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Omobono posted:That Fiona death scene What about things like "contrived" or "pointless?"
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Mar 18, 2017 06:48
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I had completely forgotten about this scene. Jesus Christ.
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Mar 18, 2017 07:19
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CptWedgie posted:What about things like "contrived" or "pointless?" Like calling the Marianas Trench deep. Technically correct, but still missing the mark.
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Mar 18, 2017 07:31
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The only thing that could have given this scene less pathos is if the names of the sisters were reversed and it ended with, "Bye, Felicia!"
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Mar 18, 2017 15:03
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Mar 18, 2017 15:13
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Not really sure how to interpret this... I guess we'll see.
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Mar 18, 2017 15:52
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I'm guessing Hinoka? She's the 7th lady following that table left to right, top to bottom.
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Mar 18, 2017 15:58
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