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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Peel posted:

remember a couple years ago when US/SK did a military exercise together and NK started rattling the sabre real loud and everyone was like 'poo poo have they lost it is this the big one' and then the exercise ended and NK immediately stopped

almost as if they're one of two hostile sides each posturing to demonstrate strength, rather than Literally Insane

This but both sides are literally insane

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Prav
Oct 29, 2011

there's nothing irrational about NKs behavior

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
[lol assassin]

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Baloogan posted:

[lol assassin]

You can't deny it got results.

Nk is at least better than the CIA at offing people

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

once I saw someone asking, in all apparent sincerity, why iran was so 'crazy' and belligerent toward the united states, a country that less than ten years prior had invaded and destroyed the countries to iran's immediate east and west and had named iran part of a league of supervillains



which is a fair question i guess, if a dude is waving a gun around and just shot two people, maybe you want to talk them down

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
Smuggling nerve gas into another country? Just stab him christ

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

staff at MENA municipal high school said america was a 'loner' and 'troubled'. his father said 'i knew he had been getting into that imperialism stuff online, but i thought it was just a phase'

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Baloogan posted:

thats how escalation works

What is?

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Fiction posted:

Explainer is right, everything nk does is in response to our outright threats to massacre their entire population.

*murders half-brother*

"america made me do it, i had no choice"

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Fallen Hamprince posted:

*murders half-brother*

"america made me do it, i had no choice"

I think he meant the military stuff.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

Little Garry Parrish posted:

The only PSL email I've gotten since registering on election day is one asking me to buy their feminist magazine. I'm starting to think these guys consist 100% of Berkeley students and they don't want to talk with me because I'm probably a deranged NorCal redneck (they're right) but jeez louise.

I guess I could just show up to meetings like a normal person but like, I'm not the typical trust fund California leftist so, you know. I actually have to work. Least they could do is ask me to help set up chairs or something.

how north are we talking because if you're in jim wood's assembly district (west side of the state, northern border down to part of santa rosa) theres a guaranteed healthcare bill thing that would appreciate your help if you're free on friday afternoon/evening times

ChickenOfTomorrow fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Mar 18, 2017

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

binkmanship, you want to keep your enemies always near toppling over as much as you can, eventually they fall over

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Baloogan posted:

binkmanship, you want to keep your enemies always near toppling over as much as you can, eventually they fall over

But what if you don't actually want them to topple?

It seems like the only reason NK is still around is because it collapsing would be a huge hassle for all involved

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Dreddout posted:

You can't deny it got results.

Nk is at least better than the CIA at offing people

Yeah, they killed a random dude. The CIA at least tries hard mode and goes after heads of state.

Thug Lessons
Dec 14, 2006


I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.
Even China seems fairly fed up with North Korea. It's not really in anyone's interests to have them as a nuclear state.

Thug Lessons
Dec 14, 2006


I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.

Baloogan posted:

binkmanship, you want to keep your enemies always near toppling over as much as you can, eventually they fall over

They're certainly not going to topple of their own accord, and I find the accusations that there's an imminent US invasion coming fairly discredited at this point. After all, it's been imminent for going on fifteen years now.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Relevant Tangent posted:

Yeah, they killed a random dude. The CIA at least tries hard mode and goes after heads of state.

it was a really overwrought assassination plan too, killing him with vx. probably could have gotten easily him with a carbomb. it reminds me of when the fsb had litvinenko killed with polonium when they could have just used cyanide. nationalist dictatorships are real tryhards that way i guess


Dreddout posted:

But what if you don't actually want them to topple?

It seems like the only reason NK is still around is because it collapsing would be a huge hassle for all involved

nobody actually wants the nk regime to collapse because as nutty as the kims are a collapse would flood china's rust belt with refugees and stick south korea with the burden of rebuilding. that said there's an open-secret agreement between china and the us+sk that if war breaks out again on the 38th parallel the chinese will hold their noses as long as us troops aren't stationed too far north.

Thug Lessons
Dec 14, 2006


I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.

Fallen Hamprince posted:

it was a really overwrought assassination plan too, killing him with vx. probably could have gotten easily him with a carbomb. it reminds me of when the fsb had litvinenko killed with polonium when they could have just used cyanide. nationalist dictatorships are real tryhards that way i guess

No, polonium was actually a really good idea because a) it can't be detected by a convention radiation poisoning exam and b) had never been used as a poison before, so investigators didn't test for it. In fact, had it been administered correctly it probably would have been impossible to detect, but the dumbass assassin administered something like 1000x what he needed to.

The Brown Menace
Dec 24, 2010

Now comes in all colors.


Fallen Hamprince posted:

nobody actually wants the nk regime to collapse

have you heard of this thing called liberals my dude

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

The Brown Menace posted:

have you heard of this thing called liberals my dude

Also Neocons

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Also socialists

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Fallen Hamprince posted:

it was a really overwrought assassination plan too, killing him with vx. probably could have gotten easily him with a carbomb. it reminds me of when the fsb had litvinenko killed with polonium when they could have just used cyanide. nationalist dictatorships are real tryhards that way i guess

I could definitely see the FSB taking a slow, nigh incurable and horribly painful poison that's easy to trace to them as a deterring tactic though.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Little Garry Parrish posted:

The only PSL email I've gotten since registering on election day is one asking me to buy their feminist magazine. I'm starting to think these guys consist 100% of Berkeley students and they don't want to talk with me because I'm probably a deranged NorCal redneck (they're right) but jeez louise.

I guess I could just show up to meetings like a normal person but like, I'm not the typical trust fund California leftist so, you know. I actually have to work. Least they could do is ask me to help set up chairs or something.

How do you feel about Redneck Revolt

They seem fairly cool and good to me

ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Mar 19, 2017

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

namesake posted:

Also socialists

I think you'll find we recognize the legitimacy of The Glorious Leader as the true ruler of Korea.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Baloogan posted:

Smuggling nerve gas into another country? Just stab him christ

putin raised the stakes for assassinations when he killed that guy with plutonium.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Fiction posted:

Explainer is right, everything nk does is in response to our outright threats to massacre their entire population.

Yeah, NK just wants us to respect their sovereignty to massacre their own population

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

lancemantis posted:

Yeah, NK just wants us to respect their sovereignty to massacre their own population

The right and ability to do that is the basis of the concept of the sovereign state.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 28 days!)

And all we have to do to save North Koreans is kill about a million of them.

The Brown Menace
Dec 24, 2010

Now comes in all colors.


we_did_it_patrick_we_saved_north_korea.png

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

And all we have to do to save North Koreans is kill about a million of them.

Same but humanity and about seven billion of them.

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

lancemantis posted:

Yeah, NK just wants us to respect their sovereignty to massacre their own population

You know we killed a third of them during the Korean war for having the audacity to not want to be ruled by the dictator we installed, right?

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
why did the Vietnamese end up so chill but not the Koreans
Makes u think

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Fiction posted:

You know we killed a third of them during the Korean war for having the audacity to not want to be ruled by the dictator we installed, right?

uh open a loving history book

Thug Lessons
Dec 14, 2006


I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.
https://twitter.com/i/moments/843524775305711617

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Fiction posted:

You know we killed a third of them during the Korean war for having the audacity to not want to be ruled by the dictator we installed, right?

As opposed to the dictator the Soviet Union installed?

People understand that you can be both critical of western attitudes and actions towards north korea as well as the state of north korea itself right?

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

the un cancelled the elections because communists were gonna win lmao

perhaps the one who should read history is...u

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

Top City Homo posted:

why did the Vietnamese end up so chill but not the Koreans
Makes u think

because they won

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Baloogan posted:

binkmanship, you want to keep your enemies always near toppling over as much as you can, eventually they fall over

I wasn't saying we were bad at brinksmanship, just that it's funny when someone anybody claims the saber-rattling is one-sided and coming only from NK.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 28 days!)

lancemantis posted:

As opposed to the dictator the Soviet Union installed?

People understand that you can be both critical of western attitudes and actions towards north korea as well as the state of north korea itself right?

Kim Il Sung was leading anti-Japanese partisans throughout the 1930s, and represented the legitimate resistance to that occupation. He was, you could say, the Korean Tito. Contrast that to the South Korean government, where we literally installed Japanese compradors and war-era communist hunters to head the government & military, and you could start to see why the North Koreans became so crazy.

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Thug Lessons
Dec 14, 2006


I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Kim Il Sung was leading anti-Japanese partisans throughout the 1930s, and represented the legitimate resistance to that occupation. He was, you could say, the Korean Tito. Contrast that to the South Korean government, where we literally installed Japanese compradors and war-era communist hunters to head the government & military, and you could start to see why the North Koreans became so crazy.

He wasn't even leading partisans in Korea, he was leading them in China. He was more or less entirely installed as a puppet by the Soviets, as opposed to say Ho Chi Minh who led a decades-long resistance campaign against first the Japanese and then the French before assuming power.

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