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My god this S2 James subplot is a garbage fire.
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Mar 15, 2017 20:11
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Luchadork posted:My god this S2 James subplot is a garbage fire. I like to think that it was written by the actor. "And then he rides off on his motorcycle and makes out with a sexy older woman and" "Okay, James! Fine, just get out of my office."
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Mar 15, 2017 20:14
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Alan Wake definitely has a Twin Peaks influence, but I feel like Steven King is a much bigger influence. But speaking of Remedy games, I liked that the first Max Payne had its own parody of Invitation to Love throughout it.
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Mar 15, 2017 20:20
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I can't put into words how much I love Gordon Cole. Lynch is a madman.
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Mar 15, 2017 23:25
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Luchadork posted:My god this S2 James subplot is a garbage fire. It is, yes. Thankfully however it serves to keep James quarantined to his own ongoing activities, far away from all of the important characters.
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Mar 15, 2017 23:27
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Luchadork posted:I can't put into words how much I love Gordon Cole. Lynch is a madman. LUCHADORK! I HEARD THINGS ARE GETTING PRETTY WILD IN TWIN PEAKS!
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Mar 16, 2017 00:13
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Oh, and since I don't remember seeing it linked before, there's also the Twin Peaks Rewatchcast by the boys at SA favourite Idle Thumbs. https://www.idlethumbs.net/twinpeaks/ I haven't started it yet, but I'm sure it's just as jokey and pretentious as anything else on the Idle network.
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Mar 16, 2017 02:11
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Well, 3 nights and I'm done, just finished the final episode. It was like Lynch had been blue-balled for the whole series and finally got to just go full-Lynch on everything. How have long-time Twin Peaks fans have gone all this time on that cliffhanger, though. 
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Mar 16, 2017 03:10
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Luchadork posted:Well, 3 nights and I'm done, just finished the final episode. It was like Lynch had been blue-balled for the whole series and finally got to just go full-Lynch on everything. How have long-time Twin Peaks fans have gone all this time on that cliffhanger, though. After a while it doesn't feel like a cliffhanger, it feels like a definitive statement about how "the evil that men do" will ultimately triumph over man's better nature. It also ties in thematically to the undercurrent of "Cooper's presence and unearthing secrets in the town is resulting in a lot of death and destruction and maybe it would've been better if he hosed off" present in season 2.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:31
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Why cookie Rocket posted:After a while it doesn't feel like a cliffhanger, it feels like a definitive statement about how "the evil that men do" will ultimately triumph over man's better nature. It also ties in thematically to the undercurrent of "Cooper's presence and unearthing secrets in the town is resulting in a lot of death and destruction and maybe it would've been better if he hosed off" present in season 2. Yeah, Jean Renault gives that speech to Cooper, but can you really blame Cooper for any of that? Jacques and Maddie were killed by BOB, although I guess you can argue that putting Jacques in the hospital and singling him out as suspect number one in the Laura Palmer case led to BOB/Leland killing him. Maddie probably would've been killed no matter if Coop showed up or not, plus who knows how many others.
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Mar 16, 2017 03:42
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Why cookie Rocket posted:...it feels like a definitive statement about how "the evil that men do" will ultimately triumph over man's better nature. Yeah when I watched it in 2001 nobody told me that it was meant to have a 3rd season and I honestly never even considered it. I mean they wrapped up the murder mystery, they explained the black lodge and Bob as much as I felt they were able to, and the only guy who was likely to stop him was now possessed by him which the show more or less explains is a death sentence. It felt pretty loving final.
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Mar 16, 2017 05:30
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King Vidiot posted:Yeah, Jean Renault gives that speech to Cooper, but can you really blame Cooper for any of that? Jacques and Maddie were killed by BOB, although I guess you can argue that putting Jacques in the hospital and singling him out as suspect number one in the Laura Palmer case led to BOB/Leland killing him. My (abbreviated) take on it is that Cooper trying to solve Laura's murder is good and right and therefore he's not causing undue harm to himself or the town. After that, he's staying out of vanity and self-interest and that leads to unnecessary suffering for everyone. At the very least, Windom Earle isn't going to go totally bananas all over the town if Cooper isn't there.
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Mar 16, 2017 06:30
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Why cookie Rocket posted:My (abbreviated) take on it is that Cooper trying to solve Laura's murder is good and right and therefore he's not causing undue harm to himself or the town. After that, he's staying out of vanity and self-interest and that leads to unnecessary suffering for everyone. At the very least, Windom Earle isn't going to go totally bananas all over the town if Cooper isn't there. Windom Earle's vendetta against Cooper is just a ruse, though. He actually wants to enter the Black Lodge, and that's apparently only possible for him in Twin Peaks. Coop's presence just gives them a fighting chance.
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Mar 16, 2017 08:24
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I didn't think that episode came off as final at all. There's a ton of loose ends left for another season. - Ben getting KOd/revealed to be Donna's father - The bomb at the bank; did they really just off Audrey (  ), Pete and Andrew like that?- Does Nadine hulk out and beat Ed and Norma to death with her bare hands - What crazy adventures is James into now??????? Hopefully he looses a fight with a wood chipper. Plus, what I thought happened was that Cooper is still in the Black Lodge and Bob is out in a doppleganger; in the Lodge the dwarf mentions dopplegangers and then we see a Cooper doppleganger (with the grey eyes) chasing Real Coop, and the last shot in the Lodge is the doppleganger catching Real Coop. I mean I guess you can interpret it all as "poo poo sucks forever RIP Twin Peaks" but I really didn't get that kind of negative vibe from the show at all.
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Mar 16, 2017 14:09
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And More posted:Windom Earle's vendetta against Cooper is just a ruse, though. He actually wants to enter the Black Lodge, and that's apparently only possible for him in Twin Peaks. Coop's presence just gives them a fighting chance. If Cooper wasn't in town he'd just prowl around for clues, get into the red room, and Bob would eat his soul. With Cooper in town, Earle torments the locals and racks up a body count before he dies. Is Annie's life better or worse because Cooper decided to play townie and start dressing in flannel?
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Mar 16, 2017 14:47
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Why cookie Rocket posted:After a while it doesn't feel like a cliffhanger, it feels like a definitive statement about how "the evil that men do" will ultimately triumph over man's better nature. It also ties in thematically to the undercurrent of "Cooper's presence and unearthing secrets in the town is resulting in a lot of death and destruction and maybe it would've been better if he hosed off" present in season 2. Thing is, Coop doesn't really do much in season 2. He was very proactive in solving the murder case but after that he kind of meanders about, taking a wait and see approach. I think the message is that evil triumphs when good men do nothing - which is exactly what Cooper did in season 2. A whole lot of nothing. It's one of my biggest disappointments of the show, really.
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Mar 16, 2017 15:19
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Luchadork posted:I didn't think that episode came off as final at all. There's a ton of loose ends left for another season. Your second bullet point is answered in the book, which you should read.
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Mar 16, 2017 16:03
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Luchadork posted:I mean I guess you can interpret it all as "poo poo sucks forever RIP Twin Peaks" but I really didn't get that kind of negative vibe from the show at all. The last time Lynch was in town Maddy went back to the big Missoula in the sky so yeah, I took it more as "Hey what's all this happy climax you guys were building toward while I was away? Have any of you ever seen my movies?" and then he brought down the hammer. He then proceeded to make Fire Walk With Me instead of a third season, so yeah.
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Mar 16, 2017 16:28
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Next on my list is FWWM. I've always heard really bad things about it, like even from Peaks fans. Is it really that bad or just the usual "I don't understand Lynch movies thus it is garbage" crowd?cis autodrag posted:Your second bullet point is answered in the book, which you should read. I didn't realize there were canon or w/e books. Is it The Secret History of Twin Peaks?
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Mar 16, 2017 20:47
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FWWM is great but it's very Lynch and very different from Peaks, which is where the hate comes from. I don't think it's a fantastic movie or close to Lynch's best, but it does what it does very very well.
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Mar 16, 2017 21:09
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Luchadork posted:Next on my list is FWWM. I've always heard really bad things about it, like even from Peaks fans. Is it really that bad or just the usual "I don't understand Lynch movies thus it is garbage" crowd? It is very different from the show. Watch the version that edits in the deleted scenes to have something that's closer to the show.
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Mar 16, 2017 21:09
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Luchadork posted:Next on my list is FWWM. I've always heard really bad things about it, like even from Peaks fans. Is it really that bad or just the usual "I don't understand Lynch movies thus it is garbage" crowd? It's great, but the point of view character for most of the film is Laura so there's understandably a hell of a lot more misery than in the show. The first act, set in a different town, is pretty funny. The deleted scenes bring it more in line with the show but I don't think most of them work well in the movie. Like, the Norma/Ed cut scenes are nice but they're distractions from the film's relentless misery. Watch the movie as it is, then watch the deleted stuff separately.
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Mar 16, 2017 21:17
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Jehde posted:It is very different from the show. Watch the version that edits in the deleted scenes to have something that's closer to the show. I hate this advice too. The movie is great as it is because it very accurately conveys the intense emotional distress and hopelessness of being a victim of domestic abuse. It shouldn't feel like the show because Laura is the central character of the show instead of an entity just sort of woven through the background scenery. The contrast is very deliberate.
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Mar 16, 2017 21:29
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Yeah, the fan-edit is cool, but only after you've seen the movie. Its flow is terrible. Though, the Desmond prologue is a lot more fun in its extended form.
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Mar 16, 2017 21:38
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I genuinely think that David Lynch is one of those directors that you genuinely need to throw away Death of the Author for a little bit. Thinking that you "get" what he's getting at enough to make your own edit of it is pretty foolhardy. Directors delete scenes for good reason and usually even the official "uncut" releases of movies tend to be meandering and tonally inconsistent compared to the theatrical versions.
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Mar 16, 2017 21:50
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cis autodrag posted:I genuinely think that David Lynch is one of those directors that you genuinely need to throw away Death of the Author for a little bit. Thinking that you "get" what he's getting at enough to make your own edit of it is pretty foolhardy. Directors delete scenes for good reason and usually even the official "uncut" releases of movies tend to be meandering and tonally inconsistent compared to the theatrical versions. The Missing Pieces being its own thing is great. It shows you more from this time, but doesn't gently caress with FWWM's mood. The fan edit is just interesting.
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Mar 16, 2017 23:11
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cis autodrag posted:I genuinely think that David Lynch is one of those directors that you genuinely need to throw away Death of the Author for a little bit. Thinking that you "get" what he's getting at enough to make your own edit of it is pretty foolhardy. Directors delete scenes for good reason and usually even the official "uncut" releases of movies tend to be meandering and tonally inconsistent compared to the theatrical versions. This is actually something I'll agree with. David Lynch is nothing if not deliberate.
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Mar 17, 2017 00:41
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FWWM is great because it takes fan expectations, turns them sideways, and shoves it right up our collective candy rear end. Same with people bawling about Fury Road because Max was less cool than a girl and didn't drive his cool car around. Edit: I hope season 3 does the exact same thing. If I'm not mad at it before I fall in love with it I'll be disappointed.
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Mar 17, 2017 01:03
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Why cookie Rocket posted:FWWM is great because it takes fan expectations, turns them sideways, and shoves it right up our collective candy rear end. Same with people bawling about Fury Road because Max was less cool than a girl and didn't drive his cool car around. I think I missed out on the huge tonal change of FWWM because I saw that before the series (I had no clue about any of it and just rented the movie as something to watch.) It was my first exposure to both Twin Peaks and David Lynch, so a whole lot of confusion, but it intrigued me enough to watch the series. But I can totally see how people who experienced the series first would be upset with FWWM. It's like a distillation of all the bizarre and extremely disturbing parts of the series without any of the humor. I also am hoping that season 3 has most of the mysterious darkness of FWWM and the final episode of season 2. But I won't be disappointed if there's some of the humor of the series. If you like the more humorous parts of the series, look for "On The Air" on Youtube. It's the series that Lynch did with Mark Frost after Twin Peaks. It's one 6 episode season, and any videos you find will be horrible transfers from VHS with massive tracking issues. It includes a lot of the side actors from Twin Peaks. It's not great and there's a very clear reason why it was cancelled. But it will give you a much better understanding of what David Lynch considers "funny", and for me it colored a lot of the comedy bits of Twin Peaks the next time I rewatched it.
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Mar 17, 2017 01:54
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If you're really interested in going deep in Lynch and comedy, check out the script for the unproduced "One Saliva Bubble".
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Mar 17, 2017 07:58
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cis autodrag posted:Your second bullet point is answered in the book, which you should read. In case anyone doesn't want to work their way through the book Andrew died, and Pete died shielding Audrey(who survived) from the blast, which is a very Pete thing to do
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Mar 17, 2017 16:53
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The Vosgian Beast posted:In case anyone doesn't want to work their way through the book Andrew died, and Pete died shielding Audrey(who survived) from the blast, which is a very Pete thing to do It's funny because this doesn't seem physically possible given the way the events are shown in the episode, but the book treats the show's reality as a very fluid thing. There are so many contradictions that it's clearly intentional.
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Mar 17, 2017 17:54
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:It's funny because this doesn't seem physically possible given the way the events are shown in the episode, but the book treats the show's reality as a very fluid thing. There are so many contradictions that it's clearly intentional. It just strikes me as a strangely ominous change in a way I don't quite understand or know how to explain.
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Mar 17, 2017 18:12
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Under the vegetable posted:If you're really interested in going deep in Lynch and comedy, check out the script for the unproduced "One Saliva Bubble". Fuuuckkk I loved this loving thing. When I first went on the internet it was one of the first things I discovered. That was 20 goddamn years ago and I still remember large parts of the script. It's hilarious, and a real shame it never got made.
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Mar 17, 2017 23:17
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I've been reading the Twin Peaks books this weekend. While Secret History provides some good background and deepens the general mythology, Secret Diary of Laura Palmer is some awful fan-fiction level trash. A sad use of $10 
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Mar 18, 2017 18:34
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Creature posted:I've been reading the Twin Peaks books this weekend. While Secret History provides some good background and deepens the general mythology, Secret Diary of Laura Palmer is some awful fan-fiction level trash. A sad use of $10 Since the Secret Diary was written by Lynch's daughter, I can only imagine what it was like for her and David to sit down and talk about really getting into the mindset of a father-daughter incest rape victim for the book. I remember when I read it being disappointed that the contents of the diary didn't match up with the bits of it that were read on the show, but in retrospect maybe it was deliberate, given how Secret History also doesn't quite match.
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Mar 18, 2017 19:05
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Got FWWM done and I thought it was fine; I was more disappointed with the choice of topic being Laura's final days, as that was pretty well covered in the show. I'm not sure now though what I want to see from S3, more of the show's humor or more of FWWM's menace.
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Mar 18, 2017 20:44
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Luchadork posted:I was more disappointed with the choice of topic being Laura's final days, as that was pretty well covered in the show. Like, maybe in a biographical sense, but FWWM is about making you really understand what it felt like to be Laura in those last days. It's like reading about the holocaust in school vs actually seeing and feeling it.
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Mar 18, 2017 21:30
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No actually
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Mar 18, 2017 21:32
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Luchadork posted:I'm not sure now though what I want to see from S3, more of the show's humor or more of FWWM's menace. It's definitely a weird line to toe. I can't imagine Twin Peaks going for a happy ending now, considering what happened to Cooper, and how much time has passed. Maybe that was never in the cards to begin with. I definitely want it to be more upbeat, though. That's what I liked about the show to begin with. 18 hours of FWWM would be absolutely unbearable.
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Mar 18, 2017 22:14
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