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Baron Corbyn posted:belnedlux New page. Good start.  Some Polish gentry. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:My home county has the population of Luxembourg in 1/5 of the land area and no one gives a poo poo about its government, food, culture, history or anything else. Luxembourg is almost certainly more important tho
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Guavanaut posted:A popular brand of 'gentlemen's polish' from the 1950s. I find it kind of funny that my family comes from the Russian Voivodship (Woj. Ruskie) considering that's who they complain about 90% of the time.
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I'm sure that modern citizens of Lvov would be thrilled at being called Russian.
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Craptacular posted:"Pocketknife Nazi" ? 
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i like how the inset map in the corner doesn't shade turkey
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Doesn't something like 80% of Japan live in Tokyo? How come it got so lopsided? Was something wrong with all the other cities in the country?
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Greater Tokyo is ~40 million. Japan is ~125 million. So it's more like a third.
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galagazombie posted:Doesn't something like 80% of Japan live in Tokyo? How come it got so lopsided? Was something wrong with all the other cities in the country? It's called a primate city and it's not that uncommon. I think around 1/3 of all Peruvians live in greater Lima and around 1/4 of all Argentines live in greater Buenos Aires. London and Paris are other good examples If one city gets to be political, economic, educational, and cultural capital it can get pretty big. Imagine if the federal government and Harvard and Yale and Hollywood were all in New York City.
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Mar 19, 2017 04:55
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 Red: countries that do not have a primate city
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Grand Fromage posted:A few times on SG-1 they went to the lush grassy fields and pine forest in the distance of Area 51. In the first few seasons of Stargate when I was in elementary school I was amused how the "alien worlds" looked like my parents backyard. Platystemon posted:
I am actually surprised New Zealand is in red isn't like a third of the country living around Auckland?
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Platystemon posted:
Note that this somehow includes Japan  Otherwise seems pretty accurate, dunno about Canada maybe (I guess there's Vancouver/Montreal/Quebec ?).
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Jack2142 posted:I am actually surprised New Zealand is in red isn't like a third of the country living around Auckland? But that’s why. The capital isn’t Auckland. It’s Wellington. Private Speech posted:Note that this somehow includes Japan That’s probably because of Kyoto. Russia is the same. Moscow is almost a primate city, except that St. Petersburg is a contender for centre of culture. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 05:31
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I would have thought Lisbon would be a primate city, but apparently not.
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galagazombie posted:Doesn't something like 80% of Japan live in Tokyo? How come it got so lopsided? Was something wrong with all the other cities in the country? For the 80%, you're probably thinking of the whole island of Honshu, the largest Japanese island and the one that most major cities are on including Tokyo. It's got about 103 million people which is very close to 80% of the population but it also stretches over about 810 miles and is about 88,000 square miles in total so it's huge. All the land in Japan total is about the size of Montana, Honshu alone is roughly the size of Minnesota. It contains roughly 60% of the land area of the whole country.
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Modern cultural life is overwhelmingly Tokyo though. Japan's got the same thing Korea does where the word "rural" just means "not Tokyo" in modern usage (or not Seoul in Korea). Anything outside Tokyo is dismissed as meaningless. I guess if you're counting the entire Kansai region as a single city that is a somewhat reasonable rival to Tokyo but that's a real stretch.
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Private Speech posted:Note that this somehow includes Japan Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver, to be more accurate. The Greater Toronto Area has like 6 million people out of a total of 35-ish million in all of Canada.
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Platystemon posted:That’s probably because of Kyoto. Kyoto? There are a bunch of cities bigger than Kyoto though?
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Mar 19, 2017 05:57
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If a primate city is defined as the place that controls a country's politics, makes economic decisions that affect the whole country, and dominates cultural organization, then Canada definitely does have a primate city. It's called "the US."
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Platystemon posted:
Ponsonby Britt posted:If a primate city is defined as the place that controls a country's politics, makes economic decisions that affect the whole country, and dominates cultural organization, then Canada definitely does have a primate city. It's called "the US." 
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Mar 19, 2017 06:27
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Looked it up, primate city basically means the city is double the population of the next biggest city.
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Frionnel posted:I would have thought Lisbon would be a primate city, but apparently not. Because of Porto, which is a much cooler city anyway. Though the list of Portuguese cities by population start out small and fall off rapidly: Lisbon, Portugal 517,802 Porto, Portugal 249,633 Amadora, Portugal 178,858 Braga, Portugal 121,394 Setúbal, Portugal 117,110 Coimbra, Portugal 106,582
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I don't believe China. Google is banned here and I've never, ever seen anything but IE used. Maybe Baidu has a browser that's a copy of Chrome and being miscounted? South Korean websites not only require IE to function, but usually a real old version like IE6.
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Jehde posted:Looked it up, primate city basically means the city is double the population of the next biggest city. That can't be the only definition being used for that map, because New York is a little more than double the size of the next largest city in the US.
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Mar 19, 2017 07:50
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Probably using metro areas instead, since that gives a more realistic size comparison between cities with different levels of annexation.
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Paradoxish posted:That can't be the only definition being used for that map, because New York is a little more than double the size of the next largest city in the US. metropolitan areas are far more useful for this kind of analysis than strict city jurisdictions. new york city only has 40% of the population of the entire new york metro, and even then this relatively high concentration is due to aggressive consolidation at the turn of the century making new york city one of the larger american cities by geographic area the new york metro has something like 25m people, the next largest is los angeles with like 19m, and then chicago with like 10m iirc Unreal_One posted:Probably using metro areas instead, since that gives a more realistic size comparison between cities with different levels of annexation. yeah exactly this. every metro area is widely divergent in terms of number of cities in the metro, size, density, etc. jacksonville, fl is enormous - twice the size of NYC by area - and so clocks in as one of the largest cities in the us by pop just because it dominates its metro area due to a city-county consolidation. if you look at the jacksonville metro pop compared to other metros it drops down near the bottom of the top 50. atlanta is the 39th largest city by pop but the atlanta metro is like the 8th largest, because atlanta is only like 10% of the metro area boner confessor fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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The definition includes significance as well, which is why New York doesn't get the title. It's important, but it doesn't overshadow Washington' politics.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The definition includes significance as well, which is why New York doesn't get the title. It's important, but it doesn't overshadow Washington' politics. Or LA's Hollywood. This makes primate cities especially useless on the Canadian provincial level, since the trend is that our most populous cities are not the centre of politics. Vancouver, Victoria; Calgary, Edmonton; Toronto, Ottawa; Montreal, Quebec... Significance does seem to be part of the original definition, but how the hell do you quantify that. I imagine the population of the metro area of any given city is more relevant. Jehde fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mr. Belpit posted:Kyoto? There are a bunch of cities bigger than Kyoto though? Osaka/Kyoto/Kobe is counted as one metro area and has 20 million people. The Nagoya metro area has 10 million.
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Platystemon posted:
I'm that small island in the Indian Ocean, the Falklands, and also loving Uruguay.
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I'm German and use Firefox, can confirm
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Jehde posted:Significance does seem to be part of the original definition, but how the hell do you quantify that. I imagine the population of the metro area of any given city is more relevant. 1. Is it the capital? 2. Is it at least twice as populous as the next city? (Metro level is not necessarily a great measure, especially not if it starts lumping entire cities together.) At which point you've probably eliminated most of the non-primate "largest city in a given country" cities. You can then follow that up with "Does the city clearly dominate the finance/music/movie/games/television industry?" which I imagine would take care of most of the rest. That said, including education/the scientific community as one to dominate too seems like something that could take the primate city title from a lot of cities that would otherwise get it no problem, but then I'm not sure if it really should be counted.
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Having done no fact checking whatsoever, isn't the term "corporate city"?
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Platystemon posted:
A Buttery Pastry posted:While there are going to be edge cases, it doesn't seem to be that tough to actually figure it out if you go to the country level. Select the largest city, than check for these conditions: I think this makes sense for most situations but I'm not sure how Stockholm, Manila and Kuala Lumpur (and maybe Tokyo and Kiev) missed out on primate city status on that map, by this definition.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:(Metro level is not necessarily a great measure, especially not if it starts lumping entire cities together.) But in some cases, the urban area is larger than the city's administrative limits. Paris is 2 million people, but the actual urban area is more like 10 million because the suburbs are still independent cities.  You can see how the built-up area is bigger than Paris proper (75 on the map).
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I know Finland is a made-up country as part of a complicated scheme to secure Japanese fishing rights, but what's the story with Belgium?
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