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Demiurge4 posted:He is absolutely trying to rile up the European right who are always complaining about the demographic demise of native Europeans. Nevermind evidence to the contrary. It's not like they ever needed actual evidence to believe this stupid poo poo.
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Kassad posted:It's not like they ever needed actual evidence to believe this stupid poo poo. It's not about changing the minds of people who are far right, it's about not convincing others to join them. Think of all the hand wringing articles you see about how the far right promotes the ISIS narrative; that's more or less what Erdogan is doing from the other side.
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Weren't the first militia guys to cross over into Donbas mostly people sent by Ramzan Kadyrov and Putin later got pissed off at him for doing it without his permission? I don't think Putin wants to annex Europe or anything like that. Even Lukashenko is getting uppity at him and he doesn't even invade Belarus, which he probably could get away with. The Russian far right (like Dugin and so on) wanted Putin to take all of Ukraine including the western part but he didn't.
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Relax. After WW2, the rich fucks of the world figured that actually wars make fortunes change hands a lot, so it's not in their interest to cause WW3, and while they don't care about the Middle East conflicts, any invasion of Europe would be instant world war.
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Sinteres posted:Russia couldn't remotely handle absorbing Europe. Even the incursion in Ukraine is pretty limited, despite everyone more or less agreeing not to challenge it with external force. Maybe Russia would like to take a swipe at the Baltics, but even if the US disappeared tomorrow, Russia wouldn't be likely to invade Poland. Unless you think Russia would go nuclear and dare France or the UK to respond? They certainly don't have the conventional forces to take on a united Europe. I was using the word "invade" figuratively. Most Eastern European states are, and have always been, at risk of being destabilized by and becoming satellite states of Russia. NATO is the main thing that's preventing that. That's just the geopolitical reality. In contrast, Erdogan has no ambitious of influencing Greece, Bulgaria, Romania etc. in a similar manner. The only thing he's interested in is votes from Turkish expats living in Western Europe.
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I still can't believe cheminade managed to get back in the election, how does he get those signatures
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Kurtofan posted:I still can't believe cheminade managed to get back in the election, how does he get those signatures Tracks down mayors who have a history of shitposting on the Internet and threatens them with an article in Le Dauphiné Libéré or Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace.
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French politics is a poo poo show; a really depressing one too. It's come down to people just hoping crazy far right/left candidates don't get votes.
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Nobody worries about the crazy far left candidates getting vote; because everyone knows they won't. It's the crazy far right candidates (Le Pen and Fillon; who are both turning into Berlusconi) that are at the top of everyone's worries.
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can hamon pull through without macron collapsing as spectacularly as fillon did? he seems like a pretty decent chap and i, for one, wish him well
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I like Hamon too but he doesn't seem to have that X Factor to me
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i made a lovely rear end rundown of the candidates in cspam,dumping it here: confirmed: here are the 11 candidates for this year's presidential election (they had to get at least 500 signatures from elected officials each)  im not doing a big write up because theyre all loving bad from left to right, top to bottom -natalie arthaud, workers' struggle, far left workers struggle is one of those revolutionary trotskyist party nobody vote for -françois asselineau, popular republican union, cooky really popular with conspiracy types, thinks the media are against him, when in fact they just dont give a gently caress, claims to be the most popular party in france because his website got 2 million views or somescuh, wants "frexit "(his words) from eu, nato etc -jacques cheminade, solidariy and progress, cooky AGAIN this guy, third time he's candidate, more than any other candidates this year, his party is tied to the American LaRouche movement (conspiracy theory guys about the Queen, i dunno), famously wants to colonize the moon haha democracy is a joke. -nicolas dupont aignan, rise up france!, right wing small town mayor with a big eurosceptic streak, was allied with farage in the european parliament at one point, pretty much lepen light. -Crooked François Fillon, the republicans, right wing the future ex-president de la république won big at the right wing primaries but the FAKE NEWS media and the COMMUNIST judges can't accept that and invented this whole story about him giving a lot of public money to his wife for a fake job. instead of resigning like he probably should have he doubled down because his base is crazy. Big time lover of traditional marriage, slashing public spending (lol) and russia -Benoit Hamont, socialist party, center-left won the left wing primaries in a bit of an upset to the "socialist" establishement, benoit is a bit in a bind because his socialist buddies prefer the centrist macron while melenchon didnt want to drop down everything to help unify the left (such as it is). the left is hosed hosed hosed. at least benoit is kind of cool guy? big love of universal income and taxing the robots. -Jean lassale, independent, centre right originally a member of parliament for the democratic movement (which supports macron this year), lassalle decided to run because why not?? I think he's basque or something. seems to be running on a platform of traditional rural centrist but nobody cares -Marine le pen, national front, far right LE PEN *click* wants to save western civilization from the eu, islam, loves putin, trump etc.. etc... pretty much certain to finish first of the first round, she's probably going to lose in the second because still seen as too fascist (for now?). -Emmanuel Macron, on the move!, center the luckiest son of a bitch in france imo, this beautiful banker is bag full of hot air responsible for some of the most disliked policies of the hollande goverment yet is leading the polls?? i guess he's got a modicum of charisma, his only saving graces and also the fact that his only real adversaries are a fascist and a deluded crooked politician. neoliberalism last hope -Jean-Luc Mélenchon, Unsubdued France, left wing Mélenchon is back with a vengeance and a newly named coalition of small left wing parties and the communist party. does a lot of weird poo poo like holograms at rallies and he has quite the following, he doesn't like the us very much but loves russia so the current situation must be weird rn for him. the french chavez (lol), he wants to usher in the sixth republic. the left is doomed because he and hamon weren't able to come to an agreement -philippe poutou, New anticapitalist party, far left perfect way to book-end this list is another revolutionary troskyist candidate because two is better than one, no? this guys is an actual factory worker, that's all i know. i think he's popular at my uni, so thats something but he's probably going to do one percent, so yeah
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Kurtofan posted:-Jean-Luc Mélenchon, Unsubdued France, left wing I think I like this guy. Interesting that a Leftist would openly support Putin.
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So Sweden wants to reinstate conscription, Macron is now talking of bringing it back as well. We abolished it in Germany less than ten years ago, and only on behest of the Free Democrats. Both CDU and SPD were actually always in favor of compulsory military service. I wonder if an SPD-CDU government under Schulz will bring back the draft?
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Kurtofan posted:i made a lovely rear end rundown of the candidates in cspam,dumping it here: Lasalle has the most presidential nose. Best honker since De Gaulle.
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i just hope i'm old enough not to get drafted, macron gently caressNikkolasKing posted:I think I like this guy. Interesting that a Leftist would openly support Putin. well he's anti-nato/usa so it's not that surprising, plenty of candidates support russia for different reasons (left wing: anti-nato, anti imperialism, right wing: anti-nato, love of stronk traditional nationalism) pro-nato/status quo (i think, not sure for some): macron, hamon, fillon (sorta, i don't think he wants out of nato but he likes putin because putin stronk, the "renegotiate" type i suppose), lasalle (i guess, i don't think he cares) anti-nato/pro-russia: mélenchon (left wing), le pen (far right, want to leave), dupont aignan (right wing, wants to leave), asselineau (wants frexit from everything, cheminade (crazy as hell, wants to leave nato), fillon (doesn't want to leave but is posturing a lot towards russia and said some stuff about france being its own man), Arthaud (far left, wants to leave im guessing), poutou (far left, wants to leave im guessing) Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Kurtofan posted:i just hope i'm old enough not to get drafted, macron gently caress Very Interesting. So it's less "I like Russia/Putin" and more "I really hate the US." (That's what anti-NATO people really mean in my experience.) It's a position I can respect, honestly. Also apparently there was a French candidate who said this? "Le Pen is a cosmopolitan degenerate who listens to rap while blowing congoloid dicks" He didn't get the 500 signatures, though. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Also apparently there was a French candidate who said this? #imwithhim
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Mélenchon isn't "pro-Russia" (what the hell does that mean), he loving despises Putin. He just doesn't want to goad Russia with dumb military spending, which sounds pretty sensible, and his big thing is a pro-peace message. He also blames the US for the curent clusterfuck in the Middle East but he's objectively right on this point so
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Mélenchon isn't "pro-Russia" (what the hell does that mean), he loving despises Putin. He just doesn't want to goad Russia with dumb military spending, which sounds pretty sensible, and his big thing is a pro-peace message. Why in the world would Russia perceive French military spending as a threat?
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Sinteres posted:Why in the world would Russia perceive French military spending as a threat? Exactly.
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Sinteres posted:Why in the world would Russia perceive French military spending as a threat? Not French military spending, EU military spending, EU military cohesion, and NATO military maneuvers.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Mélenchon isn't "pro-Russia" (what the hell does that mean), he loving despises Putin. He just doesn't want to goad Russia with dumb military spending, which sounds pretty sensible, and his big thing is a pro-peace message. Sorry when I did 1 second of research I found articles where they quoted him as saying Russia was their "partner." I figured Pro-Russia meant aiding them and Assad in Syria. But a bit more research turned up this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Up_ICBedE So my bad. (and yes, it is absolutely the US' fault that the ME is the way it is right now)
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NikkolasKing posted:So my bad. (and yes, it is absolutely the US' fault that the ME is the way it is right now) Good thing the French and British never did anything in the Middle East that had continuing negative impacts on the region or that might seem a bit hypocritical. The civil wars in Iraq and Syria are basically for opposite reasons at this point. Iraq is fighting the former ruling minority that's angry it's not ruling the country anymore, and Syria is fighting the majority so the ruling minority gets to stay in power. The US caused the situation in Iraq, but if anything people blame the US for not toppling the leader in Syria. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Sorry when I did 1 second of research I found articles where they quoted him as saying Russia was their "partner." I figured Pro-Russia meant aiding them and Assad in Syria. The "partner" thing is true, though. He says that Russia, much like China, or the US, or any foreign power should be partners of France. Trade partners (to a certain extent, of course), but also diplomatic partners in the UN, in order to find consensual solutions to international problems - terrorism, global warming, and so on.
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Sinteres posted:Syriza gave their country the worst of both worlds by pushing the country to the brink of Grexit and then blinking. If standing up to the EU is too painful to actually go through with, there's no point leaving them in power. I say this every time polls like this are posted. First off, Greek polls are notoriously untrustworthy and have always overestimated how well New Democracy would do and underestimated how well SYRIZA would do. I will grant, however, that the quality of polls prior to SYRIZA's win are not necessarily indicative of the quality of polls following it, and that the margins presented now are vastly larger than they were before. Secondly, and this is more important, this is not in a pre-election period, and as such no party has really built an electoral narrative (except perhaps for New Democracy, who have been calling for new elections for the past year or so and are playing up the narrative that SYRIZA is a bunch of incompetents that kicked Greece off a slow improvement into freefall, and also want to destroy everything because they're evil communists or some poo poo). In other words, it's not really clear what people would be voting in an election for if there was an election today. Which ought to speak volumes in itself about how much the loss of financial control has hosed Greek politics up. People's responses are quite probably guided from an anger towards SYRIZA for failing to deliver than a newfound love and respect for New Democracy. I'm not sure ND has convinced anyone that they're more competent than they were before. If elections were to be held now, in these conditions, I'd expect abstention to skyrocket more than anything else. However, elections aren't being held now. There's going to be milestones in European politics that will be of massive importance. French elections and especially German elections. Indeed, I expect the German elections in September to be much more decisive for Greece than our own elections were, and SYRIZA's term from September onwards is going to be a much greater determinant in what kind of legacy they leave behind.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Not French military spending, EU military spending, EU military cohesion, and NATO military maneuvers. The idea that Europeans are provoking Russia by spending money on defense while Russia's invading a neighboring country for wanting closer economic relations with Europe is pretty dumb.
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Kurtofan posted:I still can't believe cheminade managed to get back in the election, how does he get those signatures Fun Cheminade facts: - Condemned in the 90s for stealing money from a lady with dementia; - Investigated by the cult repression authority for his recruitment practices; - Harassed small town mayors on the phone to get signatures in past elections, calling them several dozen times a day in some cases.
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Hamon's speech is making me sad as gently caress. It could be a pretty good speech if a) his actions and his continued tolerance of the Vallsist current in the PS didn't belie like half of it, and b) he he didn't stumble on every other word. I mean, seriously, dude sounds like François Hollande at times. It's doubly sad because it's got some really good stuff too. Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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I still love that the Parti communiste français has fallen to where it is. The fuckers had massive support in the wake of the Second World War, but Maurice Thorez & Co. took it all for granted and locked the party into decades of stagnation and diminishment.
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I was gonna make an argument showing how the PCF's downfall is linked to abandoning its task of educating the working class in order to get it involved in the political process, but this gif exists and I have lost all hope. https://twitter.com/C8TV/status/843574954717315072
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ElNarez posted:I was gonna make an argument showing how the PCF's downfall is linked to abandoning its task of educating the working class in order to get it involved in the political process, but this gif exists and I have lost all hope. Fillon and C8 deserve each other.
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Shibawanko posted:What is he doing Lucky you for not knowing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dab_(dance)
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Tesseraction posted:Lucky you for not knowing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dab_(dance) Wow, I thought this was some Pokemon poo poo or something. I feel very old suddenly. "Look 'em young 'uns with them pokimans dance"
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