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M_Gargantua posted:Two rail multi directional is impossible. Even in reality it is rarely done. Yeah, I can't remember why I decided to do it that way... I think it's because I had a dedicated resupply train that went around to all my outposts and refilled replacement turrets, walls, ammo, bots and so on, but I liked the idea that this train could exit a station in either direction and take whichever track was not currently in use. But in retrospect it makes so much more sense to just stick to one rail out, one rail in, and have U-turn sections after each station in either direction. drat, now I wanna play the game again, after months of waiting for the new version, haha
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ShadowHawk posted:I decided to try a 3 rail setup with two one-way lanes and the middle lane going either direction. My thinking was that trains that are pulling off into a stop usually slow down and I'd often get traffic build up in my 2 track games -- this would give the trains a passing lane. Thinking outside the box. Nice. but still functionally overly complicated and useless. Just have your stations on sidings that break off and rejoin when needed.
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Just to be clear here, it's totally okay to do things that are not optimally efficient and overly complicated if you want to, Factorio is fun like that.
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No! Efficiency is life! And inefficiently is spiting in the eye of science! Don't be a horrible person, choose efficiency now. Let the sperg take you. More rockets! More modules! More ore and oil! Turn the world into a perfect concrete hellscape!
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Mar 18, 2017 06:56
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M_Gargantua posted:Don't be a horrible person, choose efficiency now. M_Gargantua posted:Turn the world into a perfect concrete hellscape! Are you proposing we waste concrete on places we aren't planning to walk or drive? 
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:Are you proposing we waste concrete on places we aren't planning to walk or drive? Pave the world on principle.
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Mar 18, 2017 13:28
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M_Gargantua posted:Thinking outside the box. Nice. I did have turnouts for the stations. The trains slow down before turning off the main track, like cars pulling into a parking lot. An alternative solution is to have really long turnouts so they don't need to start slowing down while on the main highway, but I find that less efficient. ShadowHawk fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 18, 2017 13:30
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Catberry posted:Pave the world on principle. Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent.
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Antti posted:Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. That's a good saying.
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Antti posted:Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. Mods? Factorio: Whatever exists without my knowledge exists without my consent.
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For the rail crossings, put these markers around your gated areas. Makes it much safer and easier for the trains to stop.
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Mar 18, 2017 15:36
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I always build my stations on little loops perpendicular to the main track. So they'd turn off, stop and load/unload, loop back round and could turn back onto the track in either direction. This did cause a bit of trouble when I connected together two of my fair-flung lines, though. Circuits and loops don't mix.
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Tenebrais posted:I always build my stations on little loops perpendicular to the main track. So they'd turn off, stop and load/unload, loop back round and could turn back onto the track in either direction. I think this sort of loop is best because they can divert without slowing down the main set of tracks. I generally try to have the loop rejoin the track it left and just have the train loop at the next junction- I tend to throw those out a lot so it only adds a few seconds of time to that train as opposed to causing a backup on the main rail.
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Mar 18, 2017 17:32
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The game gave me a tiny Texas.  
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Collateral Damage posted:The game gave me a tiny Texas. Build a wall around the northern border to protect America 
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Mar 18, 2017 18:31
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Mess with it.
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Collateral Damage posted:The game gave me a tiny Texas. Console an oil patch on there and build a pumpjack.
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 Who needs a main bus when you can just set up tiny production islands with belts leading into the gaping maw of your central factory? So what if it's such spaghetti that when I went to untangle a part of it I realized I'd unintentionally created a loop that did nothing but take the same set of copper wire on a tour without it ever actually getting used? One interesting aspect of not having any idea what you are doing is producing an excess and figuring out what to do with it. That leads to all sorts of interesting contraptions ("this section is overflowing with iron plates so I'll draw a belt to feed it into a new workshop here...") Another thing I've noticed is that having peaceful mode on gives you bad habits since you don't need to worry about defending real estate. But as a learning experience it's worked fine. The bugs actually do inevitably attack you even on peaceful mode, but they are much more tolerant of pollution than I suspect they normally are. Finally, god blue science is a pain in the rear end.
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I love the beautiful chaos of a person's first factory.  I legitimately found my first factory of spaghettified mess more fun than the ordered structure of my second one. For my most recent game I tried to mix the two a bit, so I would bus stuff off to make research components but for factory bits I'd just pull the required components off whatever belt of that I could reach. Much more enjoyable.
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Tenebrais posted:I love the beautiful chaos of a person's first factory. I agree. After a few games ranging from 'spaghetti --> OCD organized' I found a happy middle ground. Now I always start with a fat, organized bus right through the middle of my factory. I also establish where I want my east, west, north, south train stations to be placed. Besides that, I just go wild with belts, train tracks, etc. My bot network is super inefficient and redundant, but it also has massive overcapacity. I don't find this game very fun when I'm tearing things down or meticulously rearranging factory components. That's especially true during the beginning of a game when you don't have all of your tech unlocked and will be running out of raw resources a lot. The spaghetti-style is also majorly cut back once you figure out how to build a central bus.
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My progression was spaghetti because I'm running out of belts I'm running out of belts because I'm hand assembling them Wait why am I hand assembling belts And now I have a yellow belt assembler running before I even have anything I would claim to be infrastructure and solve everything by building branches off a bus trunk.
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Mar 19, 2017 18:25
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zedprime posted:And now I have a yellow belt assembler running before I even have anything I would claim to be infrastructure and solve everything by building branches off a bus trunk. This, definitely. Part of my problem is transitioning to making red or blue belts effectively/at a reasonable time when I should be doing so.
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Ignoranus posted:This, definitely. Part of my problem is transitioning to making red or blue belts effectively/at a reasonable time when I should be doing so. Man, same here. I'll have almost all of the tech tree researched and still be using yellow belts everywhere.
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Ignoranus posted:This, definitely. Part of my problem is transitioning to making red or blue belts effectively/at a reasonable time when I should be doing so. I like red belts as a happy medium of throughput/density so that's what I aim for.
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Late in the game I usually have blue belt production automated into passive provider chests, and I set my logistics network to keep me stocked with 200 belts. I know its not the most efficient way to do things, and overkill, but I like those suckers moving FAST!
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Blue belts are amazing, and should be put everywhere. Also, there's a mod that lets you upgrade whatever you designate by clicking and dragging it- if you are replacing all your belts with higher tier ones it makes life much more bearable. I'm phone posting so I don't know the exact name, but it should be along the lines of upgrade planner.
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Kinetica posted:Blue belts are amazing, and should be put everywhere. Are you thinking of Upgrade Builder and Planner? And on the subject of related mods there's a cool Automatic Belt and Pipe Planner mod where you have a 1x1 "start" thing that you place and it'll automatically lay ghosts between that and wherever you place the "end" piece.
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I think I've only ever used blue belts within my furnace lines and the first parts of buses. It doesn't actually matter how fast a given item gets from A to B, it's all about how many of them get there in a given time. Having faster belts won't make a difference to an unsaturated line and just make it harder to walk through your factory.
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And then you install bob/angel and you're back to square negative a million.
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Tenebrais posted:make it harder to walk through your factory.
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Collateral Damage posted:I really wish there was a mod that made the player unaffected by belts. Getting pushed around by belts is by far the most annoying thing about walking around the base. Doesn't everyone just use the belts to walk fast?
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Collateral Damage posted:I really wish there was a mod that made the player unaffected by belts. Getting pushed around by belts is by far the most annoying thing about walking around the base. its all worth it for the laugh i got when I was modifying a train station and the belt pushed me on to the tracks as the train arrived
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PhantomZero posted:Doesn't everyone just use the belts to walk fast? I also make portions of my busses underground and lay a hazard concrete walkway over them to allow for easy walkin across.
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awesmoe posted:its all worth it for the laugh i got when I was modifying a train station and the belt pushed me on to the tracks as the train arrived I've had that happen to me and it was pretty funny
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PhantomZero posted:Doesn't everyone just use the belts to walk fast? 
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Need to upgrade to concrete everywhere, with hazard lines to demarcate walkways.
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lol if you don't drive your car through your base, letting robit repair the damage you do on the way. Also, paving everything makes car almost as fast as max speed train.
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Just use walls as railing for your roads through the base. Also I really REALLY like how easy it is to defend oilpatches. 
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Have a look at this Nano factory with push down automata In other words a setup to produce any item the game knows about including any sub-component steps. It's something I've toyed with the idea of for some time. It's not quick or suited to mass production but it'd be nice to be able to set a request for say 3 refineries, they get built and delivered. The step of translating un-fulfilled logistics requests into build orders should be possible somehow.
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I've always found the idea of build orders to be kind of silly in Factorio. Besides the rocket & launch system, what do you only want one or two of the whole game? I just have finished products get deposited in inventory-limited passive provider chests, and for the really expensive / uncommonly used stuff I use circuits to stop the insterter after there are two or three in the chest. You still have to build the manufacturing infrastructure in either case, the only thing a build order system has going for it is it doesn't consume the raw materials until after you request an item, and in Factorio if you can't spare 500 iron & copper plates you must construct additional
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