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Torchlighter posted:Tie was also playing an earlier version of the game that increased the damage done to a pokemon if they were holding an item, so basically everything hit like a truck regardless of level, because his pokemon were holding items. Hard to tell if that was a bug or a conscious design decision to 'punish' people using items (I mean,it was probably a bug, but if it came out that it was actually something the designer put in,I wouldn't be surprised).
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Mar 20, 2017 06:20
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Antivehicular posted:he was supposed to be in the top percentage goddammit I'm in the first percentile of rattata! 
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Mar 20, 2017 06:26
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How the gently caress is that thing 6'7"? I mean, it's even got the Pokeball right there for scale.
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Mar 20, 2017 06:40
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The pokeball might actually be bigger than a real one and it's probably including chain length into it.
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Mar 20, 2017 07:25
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I honestly kinda like Linkite. I'm not really opposed to the idea of a fanhack doing something a little darker than the canon games, so long as its done well and tastefully. A game made outside the constraints of Game Freak could open up new doors that canon Pokemon wouldn't, and shouldn't, go through. Sadly, Uranium fails really hard at this. Linkite basically sums up Uranium on that front. "Poorly thought out, on the nose design, under or overdesigned mess." But I've always been a sucker for Ghost types, so I can't entirely hate the dumb little thing.
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Mar 20, 2017 07:35
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The Linkite idea is kind of neat in concept, but really falls flat in execution. The substitute doll is a neat touch, but the strangle chain/pokeball really ruin the whole thing, for as 'dark' aa some of the pokemon lore gets, this is far too grimdark and edgy for edgy's sake. If they put put the chain connected to the back of the doll, that might warm me up to it more Seroously, could you see it interacting with Ash or Pikachu on the show? The fact that is evolution is INCREDIBLY DUMB in both concept and design doesn't help. It almost feels like it should be a parody of fake edge lord Pokemon. Rich Uncle Chet fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 08:15
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Tunicate posted:I'm in the first percentile of rattata! Yeah, let's be fair, the Rattata would be in the top percentile, if you assume a descending list. Joey didn't lie, he just massaged the data!
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Mar 20, 2017 08:30
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Why not just make the chain the doll's tail? That's both more natural and actually resembles things that exist more.
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Mar 20, 2017 08:38
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Endorph posted:Why not just make the chain the doll's tail? That's both more natural and actually resembles things that exist more. because how else are they gonna wring every last drop from this metaphor orange
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Mar 20, 2017 08:41
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Endorph posted:Why not just make the chain the doll's tail? That's both more natural and actually resembles things that exist more.  I mean, still edgy, but at least it's a tiny bit less blatant. Edit  And a version without the legs because of the whole 'ghostly tail' thing. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 09:06
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PMush Perfect posted:
i don't know which one i like more but i like both more than the original
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Mar 20, 2017 09:27
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PMush Perfect posted:
That's significantly cuter. It looks like a keychain, if you don't know better.
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Mar 20, 2017 10:11
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MadScientistWorking posted:That doesn't explain away a lot of the weird discrepancies. I don't remember Pokemon being able to tank a Pokemon with STAB, type advantage, and a five level difference which ended up happening around this point in the LP. Hell, when Tie gor frustrated and power leveled his Pokemon to the 90s, he was still getting the business from non-super effective attacks from Pokemon in the 50s and 60s.
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Mar 20, 2017 12:33
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MadScientistWorking posted:On top of that too the reason why TieTuesday thought the Pokemon had perfect IVs was that even if you are five or six levels higher with a STAB move your Pokemon could just be one shoted. Is there any particular reason why as to why that occurred because that seemed the most infuriating part of the game? Leveling doesn't work the way it should. Tie was explicitly playing a version with a borderline gamebreaking bug. That bug was that any time a pokemon had a held item, they took double damage from everything. Tie, being a Reasonable Player Of Pokemon, put hold items on his crew, which made an already uphill struggle far worse. On top of that, while I don't have a good memory on what his team looked like at that point, the stat discrepancies between evolution tiers is starting to show up now, and they're a lot more stark than most official pokemon. Compare to OFS which has a low-tier fully evolved (Buttplug), a single stage dragon-type shitwrecker (MEGAWEAPON), two mid-tiers fully evolved (Lotadio and Dumbledore), and a couple pieces of filler. Tie might have still been trying to use the starter at this point, the starters are terrible. EDIT: While I couldn't tell you without digging in the guts of an ancient version, it's entirely possible that hold items just halved a pokemon's stats altogether, which would make a lot more sense than just "2x damage" because damage in pokemon is calculated on a curve, not a line. Note that high-end competitive play is either "chipping away forever at an unbreakable wall" or "rocket tag", no middle ground. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 12:33
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KataraniSword posted:Compare to OFS which has a low-tier fully evolved (Buttplug), a single stage dragon-type shitwrecker (MEGAWEAPON), two mid-tiers fully evolved (Lotadio and Dumbledore), and a couple pieces of filler. My Fursona is not filler! He and MEGAWEAPON are the two most consistently used Pokemon in this run! 
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Mar 20, 2017 13:15
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Rich Uncle Chet posted:The Linkite idea is kind of neat in concept, but really falls flat in execution. Not the whole tragic backstory & nuclear explosions stuff though. That's a lost cause, front to back.
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Mar 20, 2017 13:43
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Regalingualius posted:How the gently caress is that thing 6'7"? I mean, it's even got the Pokeball right there for scale. I'm more perplexed by its weight. What Ghost-types weigh that much?
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Mar 20, 2017 13:44
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DTaeKim posted:I'm more perplexed by its weight. What Ghost-types weigh that much?
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Mar 20, 2017 13:51
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Personally, I'd go for more of a whispy, smoky tail that rises from the pokeball. You could then go for a much less edgy djinni-like design, that just hides the creepyness in a hosed up pokedex entry.
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Mar 20, 2017 14:20
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the person who said the edgy ghost pokemon looked like something from binding of isaac is right. it's pretty terrible looking. the crying is just over the top. most ghost pokemon despite their ghostly appearance looked like something you can be friends with.
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Mar 20, 2017 14:51
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Insert MimikyuHiFive.gif here.
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Mar 20, 2017 14:58
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gastly, haunter, and gengar are my playful prankster boys
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Mar 20, 2017 15:01
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Waffleman_ posted:Hell, when Tie gor frustrated and power leveled his Pokemon to the 90s, he was still getting the business from non-super effective attacks from Pokemon in the 50s and 60s. Wasn't that mostly due to the weird "take extra damage if your Pokemon is holding an item" bug?
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Mar 20, 2017 15:13
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Palossand is my very slow but very strong murder-friend, and I just wish he had a better ability and/or more speed.
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Mar 20, 2017 15:24
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Tired Moritz posted:the crying is just over the top. most ghost pokemon despite their ghostly appearance looked like something you can be friends with. Well yeah, you can, but... Gengar's Pokedex entry, Moon posted:It apparently wishes for a traveling companion. Since it was once human itself, it tries to create one by taking the lives of other humans. ...I'm not sure if it's a good idea. And honestly, considering some Sun and Moon Pokedex entries like that one, not to mention Phantump's entire existence, I'm not that sure if Linkite wouldn't fit in an actual Pokemon game. It's roughly as edgy as "children who die in the forest become Phantump" and "all Gengar are actually dead people". Or "Primeapes rage their entire life and find peace in death".
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Mar 20, 2017 15:31
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Blaze Dragon posted:And honestly, considering some Sun and Moon Pokedex entries like that one, not to mention Phantump's entire existence, I'm not that sure if Linkite wouldn't fit in an actual Pokemon game. It's roughly as edgy as "children who die in the forest become Phantump" and "all Gengar are actually dead people". Or "Primeapes rage their entire life and find peace in death". i don't think you've valued how bad the slavery imagery is in a game where they explicitly go out of there way at every opportunity to say it's not animal pit-fighting
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Mar 20, 2017 15:34
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If they had kept the same concept and just made it a spooky substitute doll that would have been fine.
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Mar 20, 2017 15:54
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I was thinking the "pokemon who died in its ball" was a bit to dark for a dex entry, but then I remembered a bunch of ghost pokemon, like Yamask:Yamask posted:Each of them carries a mask that used to be its face when it was human. Sometimes they look at it and cry. Sylveon posted:Its ribbonlike feelers give off an aura that weakens hostility in its prey, causing them to let down their guard. Then it attacks.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:15
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Like, the basic idea isn't the worst, it's actual design is implemented in the edgiest way possible. Like, a pokemon died in it's pokeball and forgot what it looked like when it became a ghost? that's sad and spooky, and not too far off from an actual pokemon ghost type concept. Given some thought, you could have a half-way decent fan-made ghost pokemon. But then they go with the CAUGHT POKEMON = SLAVERY imagery, and my eyes are rolling into the back of my skull with this Banksy-level poo poo.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:16
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turn off the TV posted:If they had kept the same concept and just made it a spooky substitute doll that would have been fine. Something like a pokeghost possessing a substitute doll, with subsequent evolutions making it kinda break out of the doll (the doll itself becoming warped and ectoplasm/wisps breaking out of it, possibly showing an outline of whatever's possessing it?) would be cooler than "weird doll awkwardly chained to pokeball", imo. Although that does tie into the inanimate pokemon discussion from earlier...
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Mar 20, 2017 16:19
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Torchlighter posted:Tie was also playing an earlier version of the game that increased the damage done to a pokemon if they were holding an item, so basically everything hit like a truck regardless of level, because his pokemon were holding items. Hard to tell if that was a bug or a conscious design decision to 'punish' people using items (I mean,it was probably a bug, but if it came out that it was actually something the designer put in,I wouldn't be surprised). Surprisingly, the Tomb of Horrors' inaugural run killed precisely zero players. The Tomb of Horrors was tailor-made to Gygax's personal D+D group; he knew how they worked, and they knew how he worked, and by all accounts a good time was had by all describing how exactly they got the next random hireling to take point as they entered the third straight Chamber of The First Guy In Here Is Going To Have A Bad Day. Now, every group that's run it blind after them has been unceremoniously killed in a number of unfun ways, because Gygax trying to challenge people who could basically read his mind at that point was a mean SOB. Pokemon Uranium is probably pretty fun to the people who made it! Shame about Literally Every Human Being Not On The Dev Team.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:23
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we already have a spooky doll pokemon.
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Mar 20, 2017 16:24
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If you're talking about Banette, I completely forgot about them; however, the origin is a bit different - instead of a ghost possessing a pokemon, Banette is a doll that gained sentience (and seeks revenge on the kid that threw it away, speaking of creepy Pokemon entries). I'm thinking there's enough flexibility there to make two distinct pokemon lines, especially if you make the pokemon design thematically different (Banette's a living doll, while Linkite is a ghost using a doll as a base).
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Mar 20, 2017 17:16
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Endorph posted:presumably the weight is from the ball and chain is the ball also a ghost or is that an actual pokeball do you put a pokeball inside another pokeball when you call that thing back could you use it to catch another pokemon if you threw it at them
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Mar 20, 2017 17:25
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This is clearly the "the pokeball on the ground is actually an enemy" pokemon. Like Voltorb and Electrode except so edgy I can feel it slitting my wrists from here.
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Mar 20, 2017 17:49
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DTaeKim posted:I'm more perplexed by its weight. What Ghost-types weigh that much? Giratina says hi. Then again, Giratina is basically the living embodiment of dark matter and/or antimatter, so weight is kind of an odd thing to consider there.
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Mar 20, 2017 18:09
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Golurk's pretty heavy, at 700lb+. Golurk's also one of the few unambiguously heroic ghosts though, so it's already kind of running in exception territory.
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Mar 20, 2017 18:21
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Jayme posted:Something like a pokeghost possessing a substitute doll, with subsequent evolutions making it kinda break out of the doll (the doll itself becoming warped and ectoplasm/wisps breaking out of it, possibly showing an outline of whatever's possessing it?) would be cooler than "weird doll awkwardly chained to pokeball", imo. Although that does tie into the inanimate pokemon discussion from earlier... I don't really mind object pokemon if they're supposed to be spooky ghosts or created by people or anime magic.
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I think I rather object pokemon over "normal type bird/mammal with a funny haircut or angry eyes" or "mono water type pokemon that's literally just a fish or sea creature"
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