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Sakurazuka posted:Oh boy I mean there's a whopper of a revelation at the end, don't get me wrong!
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StringOfLetters posted:There are a lot of robots who gradually become self aware, and then kill themselves. Yeah, almost right away, you meet an android who is concerned about being a living "Ship of Theseus". I'm new to the series and have only finished Route A, but I would existential horror, and more commonly, existential dispare, are the central themes of the game. Which I dig.
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Mar 20, 2017 22:32
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StringOfLetters posted:Moves that I didn't discover until way too late: only with a taunt chip equipped afaik
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Mar 20, 2017 22:32
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The biggest horror of the story to me is still Devola and Popola being programmed to feel eternal guilt for merely existing just out of spite by the other androids while simultaneously being mindwiped to not know why and how it gets so bad they seek death to make up for it. It's a scenario that's still sci-fi but not so removed from reality you couldn't imagine how horrifying it'd be.
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StringOfLetters posted:Moves that I didn't discover until way too late: emdash posted:only with a taunt chip equipped afaik 
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Mar 20, 2017 22:43
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I'm always disappointed when streamers have JP vocals on, the soundtrack just isn't the same for some fights 
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Mar 20, 2017 22:55
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:You have to farm them from the stubby legs machines. It's annoying because the game doesn't exactly tell you to do this, it just says "oh these guys drop them" with no map update. It would've been nice if they indicated they were a rare drop instead of leaving the player wondering if they're doing it wrong. I had to look up a walkthrough. I've been doing that but no luck. Is it any and all subbies in the city? Do I have to progress the plot? Because this is driving me nuts.
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Mar 20, 2017 22:56
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ghostinmyshell posted:I'm always disappointed when streamers have JP vocals on, the soundtrack just isn't the same for some fights Oh, that probably changes the lyrics too, doesn't it? That sounds like it would cut out a lot of emotional impact.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:00
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I dunno I think KAMI NI NARU flows better
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Mar 20, 2017 23:04
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OddObserver posted:Oh, that probably changes the lyrics too, doesn't it? KONO MAMA JA DAME
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Mar 20, 2017 23:07
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is hard mode something I should save for NG+ or what?
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Mar 20, 2017 23:07
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I think the EN dub is actually a good effort so I'm not bashing it for no reason for once, but the JP versions of the songs are all better for certain. Except maybe that one at the shop.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:08
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Mar 20, 2017 23:08
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Augus posted:is hard mode something I should save for NG+ or what? Definitely don't start with it on Hard, it expects you to know game systems quite well. Turn it up when you are ready to. Sakurazuka posted:Is Very Hard actually possible? Yes. Someone is doing it with no buffs, pod or chips, but the m/p shields on all three of your pods can give a very large amount of uptime on your immunities.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:09
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I think the one thing that has really disappointed me in this game so far is that weapons don't change their model when being upgraded, and honestly most of the effects on them are pretty samey and uninteresting. I always liked the weapon collecting and upgrading of the Drakengard games and the fact that each weapon was visually distinct at each upgrade level and often had some sort of unique aspect to it really helped. In this game the weapons are just kinda there. I was briefly excited to get not-Hymir's Finger but it's just not the same if I'm not upgrading it from a broken down hilt to a full sized megasword.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:11
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Sakurazuka posted:Is Very Hard actually possible? Yes, but not in a way where it requires absolute mastery over the system in the same way that games like DMC3 require. Nier is a little too clunky to properly reward absolutely perfect play, and there's so many attacks that come from off-screen or will chip damage you in a really visually vague AoE that what instead ends up happening is you suck all the fun out of the game and it just turns into a pod only playthrough.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:12
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I wouldn't say I was really disappointed by weapons not growing, but a little for sure. I'm quite surprised we didn't get Zero's Sword too, considering it's pretty good looking and it was the main weapon of the protagonist of Taro's previous game. DLC please.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:14
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I'm pretty sure weapons do change as you upgrade them? I got one of the fist weapons to level 4 and it had an electricity all over it effect I'm sure it didn't have before at least.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:13
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That's a visual effect from the extra effect you got on upgrading it to level 4. All the Type 4O weapons have that.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:16
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I wouldn't say I was really disappointed by weapons not growing, but a little for sure. Some DLC where you get the past protagonist's swords would be awesome. Even though the beast line of weapons and the iron pipe are what Nier is most associated with, he started with a different lovely sword. Being able to get Caim's sword would be cool too.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:17
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Sakurazuka posted:I'm pretty sure weapons do change as you upgrade them? I got one of the fist weapons to level 4 and it had an electricity all over it effect I'm sure it didn't have before at least. The Type-40 weapons do that, yeh. But it doesn't change their model so much as show an effect and they're the only ones that do so.
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Snak posted:Yeah, almost right away, you meet an android who is concerned about being a living "Ship of Theseus". I'm new to the series and have only finished Route A, but I would existential horror, and more commonly, existential dispare, are the central themes of the game. Which I dig. This is a very, very existentialist story. The central question of this game - what it's all really concerned with - is, "What is a human being?" (All ending spoilers ahead): Ultimately, I think the game errs on the side of, "A human being is someone who makes connections with others." Most of the machines and the androids don't get that. They're instead obsessed merely with imitating humans: like the men chained in Plato's cave, they see humanity's shadow and think it to be the real thing. The robots dress up in masks that don't mean anything; they uselessly bump non-existent genitals into eachother; they form a substanceless religion; and so on. The YoRHa androids aren't much better: they create models of every shape that are deadly with weapons and dress like hookers, because the two things that they know humanity was obsessed with were love (sex) and violence, and they, in a cargo cult way, think that wearing sexy outfits and slaughtering thousands will somehow make them more human. It's a world of dolls playing house together, and none of them are aware of it, trapping them in a ruinously pointless war, fighting over nothing for no one. Like in the works of Hideaki Anno (whom Taro's obviously a fan of), connections hurt. Pascal's connections run so deep that he can think only of either dying or erasing his soul when those connections are gone. 9S's love for 2B is such that he goes insane at the loss of her, something mirrored by Eve going berserk over Adam's death. A2's loss of her companions turned her into a hard, embittered woman obsessed only with killing. But it's connections that end up ultimately providing them with salvation: the connections that the Greek chorus of the Pods have made with the main cast pushes them beyond the rules that bind them. Perhaps more importantly, the connections you, the player, have made with other players, playing the same game and sharing the same experiences, propels you above and beyond the game's boundaries, allowing you to succeed where it would otherwise be impossible to do so alone. The act of being human - of connecting to others - is what gives the protagonists a real chance at being human themselves, free of the burden of their design. It's an elegantly powerful statement.
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Tarezax posted:That's a visual effect from the extra effect you got on upgrading it to level 4. All the Type 4O weapons have that. Josuke Higashikata posted:The Type-40 weapons do that, yeh. But it doesn't change their model so much as show an effect and they're the only ones that do so. Oh 
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Vermain posted:This is a very, very existentialist story. The central question of this game - what it's all really concerned with - is, "What is a human being?" A game where people bitterly shout things like "Your existence is meaningless!" at each other, but when the protagonists literally meet Jean-Paul Sartre they ignore everything he says. 
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Mar 20, 2017 23:24
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Cephas posted:A game where people bitterly shout things like "Your existence is meaningless!" at each other, but when the protagonists literally meet Jean-Paul Sartre they ignore everything he says. I think you mean ****-Paul Sartre, right? (It turns out that the Sartre estate is obnoxiously litigious. Ol' ****-Paul probably wouldn't be too impressed.)
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Wow, so...okay. After first being allowed to walk around the moon base I pressed L3 and R3 and immediately got an alternate ending. This game is already off to a good start
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Mar 20, 2017 23:29
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Vermain posted:This is a very, very existentialist story. The central question of this game - what it's all really concerned with - is, "What is a human being?" Good post, thank you
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Mar 20, 2017 23:34
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I think the EN dub is actually a good effort so I'm not bashing it for no reason for once, but the JP versions of the songs are all better for certain. Except maybe that one at the shop. Nah, the second chanting version of Birth of a Wish and Possessed by Disease are way better in English.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:44
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How do I trigger those insta kill moves? The prompt for me is to press B on a 360 controller. They seem to happen randomly.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:47
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So at the beginning of A/B, what is required to start the main quest line? Do I have to help the shop guys?
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municipal shrimp posted:How do I trigger those insta kill moves? The prompt for me is to press B on a 360 controller. They seem to happen randomly. You gotta stagger the enemy into a vulnerable state, I've found it most consistently happens when I shoot a guy a bunch. It also isn't an instakill, just does a ton of damage.
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Snak posted:So at the beginning of A/B, what is required to start the main quest line? Do I have to help the shop guys? Yes. Once you finish the item shop/weapon shop quests proper, the main quest advances.
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Snak posted:So at the beginning of A/B, what is required to start the main quest line? Do I have to help the shop guys? Yup, for the item shop dude you probably already have the stuff you need, the weapons shop one you have to do though.
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Snak posted:So at the beginning of A/B, what is required to start the main quest line? Do I have to help the shop guys? Yeah, four dots on the diamond is "main quest."
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Mar 20, 2017 23:51
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I'm kinda bad at hacking and miss heavy attack 
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Mar 20, 2017 23:52
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a kitten posted:I'm kinda bad at hacking and miss heavy attack You will get good at hacking trust me.
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Mar 20, 2017 23:53
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Gamerofthegame posted:Yeah, four dots on the diamond is "main quest." Right, but there are no main quest objectives visible. There are 2 points of interest that spawn single diamond sidequest markers. Hence why I asked.
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So regarding ending E: when I first got to it, I didn't realize that I would have to wipe my save to get the real ending, and there was a lot of stuff that I hadn't done yet that I still wanted to do, so I said no. I'd like to experience the ending, but the credits sequence, while pretty amazing the first go around, was kind of long and I'd rather not go through it again to see the ending. Should I just YouTube it, or spend the time backing up my save to a flash drive and going through the whole end sequence again?
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Not gonna lie I used hacking mainly to cheese stuff I found too obnoxious to fight.
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Pierson posted:Not gonna lie I used hacking mainly to cheese stuff I found too obnoxious to fight. loving flying snakes 
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