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Rhyno posted:My little brother is 5'7" and like 140lbs. He's horrifyingly skinny but he's totally healthy. I didn't break 130 lbs until I was out of high school - in 2001 I was about 150, 2002 about 170, but got a job loading 18 wheelers and dropped to about 120, eventually back up to 140 or 150 after leaving UPS. At 26 or 27 I was 230 and in 40" pants. I'm not a big framed guy, I'm not muscular (I'd say pretty average to below average in the muscle dept). I gained about 80 pounds when I quit coke and meth (but even before I got into drugs I was really skinny - was doing coke less than a year, meth off and on for about 4 years), and it's been a constant battle to get the weight off ever since. People I know who have a history of stimulant abuse in their past have seen similar weight gain when they quit. e: depending on your brother's age and build, 5'7 and 140 may be pretty healthy randomidiot fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Currently 6'2"/6'3" 190lbs. I'm starting to put on weight again, but when I was really into fitness, I was 160lbs and still had an uncomfortable amount of fat on my butt and thighs I've only hit "fat" once after high school, when I was 220lbs and broke a belt buckle, but my current work belt is telling me that I'm on the way back that direction now E: I say while eating 2 peanut butter and nutella sandwiches and drinking white wine from the bottle at 1am
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Powershift posted:Keep fighting. I've been battling UC, completely off meds, the remicade quit working, and the only alternate suggested by the doctor is surgery. Wow, are you using marijuana at all for it? I can't imagine needing surgery for this poo poo. I'm not giving up tho that's for sure. Supposedly there are some people close to a cure and there's live human trials going on right now, we'll see but here's to hoping.....I was coincidentally at the VA today having my gastro doctor telling me he wants to put me on Humira because the steroids I've been on aren't doing squat.....And then scoffs at the idea of cannabis helping for anything other than appetite. Joke's on him because as soon as I get my MM card I'm done with meds, lots of people having success with MM, some even going into remission.
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I tried CBD oil for a while, but again it's only mild symptom management. You have to watch because a lot of "commercial" marijuana strains are high THC and almost no CBD, which is the opposite of what would help. CBD helps with inflammation, and an increase in appetite can help you eat enough to not starve, but again all it's doing is managing a few symptoms. Depending on the symptoms though, it might be all you need to feel normal All of the biologics like humira, remicade and simponi all have at best 50% efficacy, and that's in the trials they're willing to publish. With long term steroid use, the cure is probably worse than the disease. So many doctors are practicing 30 year old science with this because it's easy and profitable. My biggest problems with appetite and food seem to be almost entirely in my head. From keeping food journals, writing what i ate and correlating that to symptoms, i ended up identifying basically all food with pain. I would gag and get nauseous at the thought of eating something, but if i force myself to eat, within a few bites it's fine. It's just really hard to force yourself to go through the effort of preparing a meal, and i could imagine marijuana would help with that. UC is a little different, in only affecting the colon, but what i've had success with is avoiding any food with emulsifiers like sodium stearol-2-lactylate or polysorbate 20/40/60/80, they've been proven to allow bacteria to transverse the mucosal layer in the colon, attempting to repopulate the gut somewhat with kefir yogurt, which is somewhat counterproductive with lactose intolerance but it contains a lot of the same strains as a probiotic called VSL 3 which has been proven to help, but is also pretty expensive. prebiotics like bananas and red wine, a poo poo-ton of fibre when my butthole can handle it, and a ton of berries and fruit. I'm closer than i've ever been off prednisone and antibiotics, it feels like it's just the last few inches of colon to heal. haven't had blood in a month, i can fart without risk of it not being a fart. Starting to get my brain back, enough to at least attempt to research a way out of this, and get enough control over it to last until FMT is available or i can at least get into a clinical trial for it. A lot of people have tried to do it on their own, but doctors can't help beyond screening your donor for you, and success with a single donor is pretty low. It's a huge pain in the rear end to research this stuff, because it seems anybody who wants to can call themselves a doctor, and a lot of bullshit "naturopaths" latch on to bits and pieces of the science, and begin to bend it to their agenda. You get 10 paragraphs into Dr. fuckface's dissertation and he starts saying poo poo like "leaky gut" and "detoxify" and you realize his doctorate is in magic from the christian science university of the bahamas and in the time you lost reading his bullshit, you could have gotten that same accreditation.
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Any Chicago locals know about Southside Hacker Space?I remember them coming up in the chat thread a while ago, and some actual metalworking tools and actual experience wouldn't be unwelcomeApplebees Appetizer posted:Wow, are you using marijuana at all for it? I can't imagine needing surgery for this poo poo. I'm not giving up tho that's for sure. Spoilers for medical whoopsies I had a friend in sophomore year with UC that was actually misdiagnosed Diverticular Colitis (DC). I can't blame her doctors, since she didn't want to be known as "that girl with UC" and intentionally missed several appointments with specialists and ignored their advice. She eventually needed a colostomy for ~3 years, a partial bowel resection, and so many -scopy procedures I don't even remember. Eventually, they did reverse the colostomy before her family moved to Virginia and she had to be weaned off of half a decade of opiates. Basically, it can necessitate surgery, but only if you aren't actually working with your doctors to get healthier and let your disease progress improperly treated. Or just without actual treatment, just like diabetes or most chronic conditions The Door Frame fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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The Door Frame posted:Any Chicago locals know about Southside Hacker Space?I remember them coming up in the chat thread a while ago, and some actual metalworking tools and actual experience wouldn't be unwelcome Even with treatment, the end result is often surgery. Some people are lucky, respond to the most basic drugs like mesalamine and carry on with it for years. I went through everything, asacol, azathioprine, 6mp, simponi, remicade. each time one failed with a week or two in the hospital on IV antibiotics and steroids. people who have had the surgery and have the j-pouch surgery which creates a little mini-colon out of the end of your small intestine often still end up getting pouchitis. For the first year, i was simply diagnosed as "indeterminate colitis" because how it's diagnosed can affect what treatments and drugs are approved, and what drugs insurance companies will cover, and it's difficult to get them to accept a different diagnosis. I had to be diagnosed as ulcerative colitis to get simponi covered by the government drug program, otherwise it would have been $2,100 every 2 weeks. when that didn't work and i went to remicade which hadn't been approved yet for UC, it was covered through the drug company's "compassionate care" program until it was approved by the government for UC. that would have been around $7000 every 6 weeks. To say surgery is necessary only if you aren't working with your doctors is not only wrong, it's insulting. Still, surgery at this point with solutions on the horizon seems insane, especially with what's known now about the actual functions of the bowel. Powershift fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:Yeah exactly. I was listening to the police scanner when they called in the tags... it's a 2004. That has to be one of maybe a dozen early QR25s still running. One of the little subsumed suburbs here in town has one single major street that goes through it, and suddenly drops from 40 to 25mph for the 10 block stretch. They got told they couldn't have a speed camera, so they went out and bought the world's cheapest Ford Focus, strapped that camera setup and a speed gun to it, and parked it in the median. Made ~$30k in a month on speeding tickets alone.
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Enourmo posted:Mam I know I'm fat, but apparently "medically normal" weight for someone my 6'5" height is 150 to 200lb? I'm pretty sure I'd look like a stick figure at that weight. Dude, I hear the same thing from my doc at 6'6" and 375. Lightest I've been since high school was 285, and I was a beast at that weight and actually in shape enough to crank out pull-ups. Trying to get back there, but losing a hundred pounds is slow in your mid 30's.
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I'm 5'7"and 154lb and I could easily stand to lose 5-10lb, or at least convert it to muscle, sounds like some of you guys are in denial about being fat cunts Joking though, bmi charts are garbage. There was an article on either the verge or wired a while back about a guy that did his own diy poop transplant for reasons I can't remember, I'll have to find it and link it, the conclusions weren't scientific at best.
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cakesmith handyman posted:bmi charts are garbage. I'm 178cm (5'10") and 95kg (209lbs). My BMI is 30, which the WHO classifies as "obese". gently caress that poo poo, I ain't obese. I'm overweight, but sure as hell not obese. My plan is to lose ~10kg or so.
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BMI was created by a Belgian Mathematician for a city census, it has very little to no basis in medical fact.
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182cm (5'11") and 75kg (165lb). Now I could stand to lose some mass around my waist, 15 years of treating my body like I was 18 have not been kind to the belly. However, I have gently caress all muscle and if I saw any sort of muscle gains I'd be considered overweight. That seems fairly dumb.
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BigPaddy posted:BMI was created by a Belgian Mathematician for a city census, it has very little to no basis in medical fact. BMI has it's place. It is a decent beginners guide for 99% of the population and frankly even if you are a brick shithouse and all muscle there is a point where hauling that mass isnt going to be long term healthy. So yes, unless you are an outlier it's actually a good starting target for goal setting and a good guide if you cant accept that not being able to see your own dick when pissing is a bad sign. Also have a look at pictures of peole 40 years ago and you will see it fitted much better when the average 175cm male was actually 73 kgs, not 86kgs as it is now.
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I just bought a 2009 Mazda CX9. It has the roof rails, but no cross bars. Should I go with OEM (~$120), super cheap chinese special (~$50) or ???. I don't expect to use them much, mostly for holding a cargo carrier on vacation, maybe a canoe or some kayaks occasionally. I really can't justify spending $$$$ on Thule or similar for something I'll use infrequently. I'm leaning towards OEM at the moment.
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Couple of pages late but I put another vote for Rascal in. In a couple of weeks the missus and I be getting our first dog - this is Brigg We met him last weekend and he is a good boy :3
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I tried going to the gym after 40 cent wing night, holy cow what a mistake.
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Cage posted:I tried going to the gym after 40 cent wing night, holy cow what a mistake. dont skip leg day do skip wing day
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Wing night wasnt the mistake, going to the gym afterwards was.
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Cage posted:Wing night wasnt the mistake, going to the gym afterwards was.
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Wing night is never a mistake. I think it's important to remember to measure your waist if you've been dieting and exercising. You may not have lost weight but you may be losing inches. Weight is only one metric for health.
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Cage posted:I tried going to the gym after 40 cent wing night, holy cow what a mistake. 40 cent wing night where? I tried duffs the other day and was not impressed. Too much vinegar.
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The Door Frame posted:Any Chicago locals know about Southside Hacker Space?I remember them coming up in the chat thread a while ago, and some actual metalworking tools and actual experience wouldn't be unwelcome I've been on the board of directors for almost four years. We're pretty cool. We've got welders and grinders and saws and drills and such -- one of the community colleges keeps teasing us with a cheap Bridgeport mill, but I'm not holding my breath. freelop posted:Couple of pages late but I put another vote for Rascal in. He looks like such a good boy!
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freelop posted:Couple of pages late but I put another vote for Rascal in. I love labs. your vacuum. On fat chat -- http://height-weight-chart.com/ The guy from cockeyed.com put this together a few years ago. It's interesting to see the variances.
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rdb posted:40 cent wing night where? I tried duffs the other day and was not impressed. Too much vinegar.
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KozmoNaut posted:I'm 178cm (5'10") and 95kg (209lbs). My BMI is 30, which the WHO classifies as "obese". I'm 6'2" and 214 or so. I've been 189 and I've been 230. I'd love to lose that 14 lbs and be back around 200. That's a decent compromise from "having to work like a dog to keep the weight off" and "heavy enough that I'm annoyed how my clothes fit and feel bad about having a gut. Having the willpower to lose weight is just such a grind. Plus, I work in an office driving a desk all day long.
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Job chat: nailed my second interview (interviewer told me at the end "you interview incredibly well"), had about a half hour of question/answer with my hypothetical coworkers followed by 20 minutes with management covering day to day work flow, company culture & benefits. It really felt more like an onboarding session than an interview. Apparently I'm one of three candidates they're considering, they emphasized that I'm a bit behind the curve as far as technical skills go but they like my personality & communications more and were very impressed with my desire to learn. Spoke with a friend who works as a senior Linux admin and regularly does IT hiring for his company, he said in his opinion unless one of the other two candidates they're considering is a 100% match for the position I should sail into the job. In his words - "you're not a perfect match for the job but they're trying to find a reason to hire you anyways" and he assumed if the other candidates are better skilled they're probably going to ask for a higher salary than I am, so I'll undercut the competition.
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Cage posted:Ebenezer Ale House, they were very good for the price. Don't bother with a basket of fries because they're tiny. Where in Buffalo are you? Actually I ate there a couple weeks back. Will probably repeat for the wings. I forget what I had but it was good. I normally stay by the galleria for a couple nights each week and check in on a vendor in worthington business park.
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Powershift posted:Even with treatment, the end result is often surgery. Some people are lucky, respond to the most basic drugs like mesalamine and carry on with it for years. I went through everything, asacol, azathioprine, 6mp, simponi, remicade. each time one failed with a week or two in the hospital on IV antibiotics and steroids. people who have had the surgery and have the j-pouch surgery which creates a little mini-colon out of the end of your small intestine often still end up getting pouchitis. Oh drat, I didn't mean to be condescending. I'm mostly familiar with Crohn's disease and the one friend with DC who who actively avoided treatment, so maybe my view is a little skewed. From what I've learned from listening to doctors, nurses, and a bit of my own research is that most modern treatments for IBS diseases try to avoid creating stomae if at all possible I suppose that I thought of "ideal treatment plans" instead taking the next step and thinking of real world treatments. I have firsthand knowledge of how insurance will gently caress around on the most basic level of care if they get the chance, so it should've been the first thing I thought of when "modern treatments" was a part of the discussion. And it could just be American insurance issues, but I've found that doctors are often not willing to prescribe newer drugs, except after trying everything else, because they know that they'll have to fight the insurance company every time those prescriptions try to be filled. Insurance coverage issues can delay the proper treatment until things become much worse. Which in this case is scarring and diverticulitis, which do require surgery
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jammyozzy posted:Finally made it back "home" to Indy after 10 days on the road in Florida. I slept properly maybe one night in that, and that was after closing out two bars in Clearwater. I've not been this happy to sit on my arse and vegetate on the sofa in a long time. Tom of Finland is brilliant, I believe there was a series of stamps put out which I wanted simply to have them. Stamps with huge muscle Marys and leather daddies are needed more in this word if only to giggle at like schoolchildren. I now need that book. mariooncrack posted:Wing night is never a mistake. Scales lie and women's obsession with only weight is ridiculous and unhealthy. A measuring tape can't lie, throw away the scales they'll do nothing but make you miserable and focus on actual measurable metrics like size and indeed how much weight you can throw around at the gym/how many miles you can run. I weigh more now than I've ever weighed (I was a skinny kid/young adult) and yet I'm far stronger and fitter than I ever was... gently caress scales forever, I feel sad that so many people obsess over those loving things.
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angryrobots posted:Looked at it yesterday. Probably a good deal for someone at $13.5k, but the interior was pretty shot and the AC was inop (seller claimed was working on phone, and said they would have it fixed). Shame about interior, was originally a pretty nice almost saddle leather like in the king ranch trucks. I keep going back and forth between buying something (truck and trailer, ramp truck, rollback) or just renting a u-haul truck and trailer. I probably don't tow enough for it to be worth owning (maintaining, insuring, storing) another vehicle at this point. Applebees Appetizer posted:I've been trying to gain weight, loving crohns disease would wither me away if I let it Applebees Appetizer posted:I just saw a medical marijuana doctor recently and I'm waiting on my card so hopefully that will help Wow, have learned more about UC and stuff on here this morning than I have in a long time. Good info I don't have UC but thanks to a long history of hosed gut I have symptoms of short bowel syndrome, combine that with not eating for the first ~15 years of my life and I struggle to eat enough. Don't get the physical sensation of hunger ever, have alarms set to remind myself to eat which is easy during the week but harder on the weekend when I'm busy. Very poor absorption, especially protein, and limited foods that don't shoot through me. Right now I'm maintaining 140lb (5'6") at 4k calories a day with 250g or protein. Lifting 5 days a week doesn't help the weight issues but I enjoy it and I don't look like complete garbage anymore which is a plus. freelop posted:In a couple of weeks the missus and I be getting our first dog - this is Brigg Between various fosters and watching the local adoptions we've been shopping for a third dog. Mom's been breeding and showing for at least 10 years so she knows breeders (if we go that route) but more helpfully knows all the issues the various breeds face. Asking her about various breeds for the past week or so then she offers us a pup from her next litter. Going to be hard to pass that up.
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Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:So I snagged the Forza 3 Horizon PC demo. Your CPU is fine (crazy how good old i5's still are). Maybe go with a 1050ti? I have been using them in budget builds, they are as little as $135 these days.
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dreesemonkey posted:I just bought a 2009 Mazda CX9. It has the roof rails, but no cross bars. Should I go with OEM (~$120), super cheap chinese special (~$50) or ???. I don't expect to use them much, mostly for holding a cargo carrier on vacation, maybe a canoe or some kayaks occasionally. I really can't justify spending $$$$ on Thule or similar for something I'll use infrequently. I'm leaning towards OEM at the moment. Get the OEM part number and watch eBay for a set to show up
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freelop posted:Couple of pages late but I put another vote for Rascal in. a good doggo Seminal Flu posted:I love labs. your vacuum. i should post a pic of rascalfloof some time
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Powershift posted:I tried CBD oil for a while, but again it's only mild symptom management. You have to watch because a lot of "commercial" marijuana strains are high THC and almost no CBD, which is the opposite of what would help. CBD helps with inflammation, and an increase in appetite can help you eat enough to not starve, but again all it's doing is managing a few symptoms. Depending on the symptoms though, it might be all you need to feel normal There are a few strains right now that are very high in CBD almost 50/50 with THC, that's what I'm shooting for and hopefully the dispensary I end up going to will have it available. The THC actually takes the edge off the pain really well, and if I can get the CBD with that to control the inflammation I think I can go med free.....I'm really hoping that it will work quote:My biggest problems with appetite and food seem to be almost entirely in my head. From keeping food journals, writing what i ate and correlating that to symptoms, i ended up identifying basically all food with pain. I would gag and get nauseous at the thought of eating something, but if i force myself to eat, within a few bites it's fine. It's just really hard to force yourself to go through the effort of preparing a meal, and i could imagine marijuana would help with that. I'm having a really hard time trying to identify what foods cause a flare up, it's almost impossible. Some days it seems like everything sucks, and other days i can eat whatever the gently caress I want.....I'm starting to think my doctor might be right about food not really making a difference, but he has also admitted there's a big study going on right now about food correlation so who knows. I love coffee and tried giving it up thinking it would help and there was no difference, started drinking again and no change, and supposedly coffee is a BIG no no. quote:UC is a little different, in only affecting the colon, but what i've had success with is avoiding any food with emulsifiers like sodium stearol-2-lactylate or polysorbate 20/40/60/80, they've been proven to allow bacteria to transverse the mucosal layer in the colon Could you be more specific here? Got a link to more info? I'd pm you but you don't have pm's. quote:It's a huge pain in the rear end to research this stuff, because it seems anybody who wants to can call themselves a doctor, and a lot of bullshit "naturopaths" latch on to bits and pieces of the science, and begin to bend it to their agenda. You get 10 paragraphs into Dr. fuckface's dissertation and he starts saying poo poo like "leaky gut" and "detoxify" and you realize his doctorate is in magic from the christian science university of the bahamas and in the time you lost reading his bullshit, you could have gotten that same accreditation. Lol yep. I'm a member of a crohns forum and everyone's experience is so different it's hard to get any solid info there either. Everyone reacts differently to meds, but at least from what I've seem MM is having a positive effect on almost all the people that are using it. Good luck man, it sounds like you're on the right track to staying med free. NitroSpazzz posted:Anything that fucks your digestive tract that much usually means struggling to eat enough to keep weight on. Trying to gain weight...good luck hope you like eating to the point of feeling sick. That's exactly my issue. I can get to the weight I want, but it's so much loving work shoving food down my throat it just gets tiring and I don't care after awhile, then I'm shortly back down to the 155 range. Another problem with not being able to absorb food properly is strength, I've never felt so weak in my entire life, I'm 46 yrs old and I feel like I'm 80 Thinking about getting a spin bike to try and keep the strength in my legs IBD chat itt Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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everdave posted:Your CPU is fine (crazy how good old i5's still are). Considering most advancements in CPU technology over the past five or so years has been in doing the same level of work with less power this really isn't surprising. My home system is based on an unlocked Zosma core Phenom II (six core die binned and sold as a four core processor, with the two disabled cores switched back on in BIOS) OC'd (stable) to 4 GHz. Combined with a Radeon 7970 it's still capable of running recent titles on high settings with acceptable framerates. I'll admit it's a power hog compared with more recent hardware but it gets the job done and I don't have an extra $500 to blow on a new system board, processor and RAM at the moment.
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Geoj posted:Considering most advancements in CPU technology over the past five or so years has been in doing the same level of work with less power this really isn't surprising. My home system is based on an unlocked Zosma core Phenom II (six core die binned and sold as a four core processor, with the two disabled cores switched back on in BIOS) OC'd (stable) to 4 GHz. Combined with a Radeon 7970 it's still capable of running recent titles on high settings with acceptable framerates. I'm currently looking at replacing my Chromebook with a refurbed Thinkpad T420(). It's a 5 year old model, but it's got an i5, 4GB RAM, 14" 1600x900 and an SSD, and the refurb place guarantees at least 75% battery life left (of the original 6-8 hours, which is pretty good). It'll run everything I can think of just fine, short of 3D games, but I don't care as long as I can watch 1080p Youtube videos, listen to music on Spotify and shitpost on the forums. It's the last model with a proper non-chiclet Thinkpad keyboard. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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everdave posted:Your CPU is fine (crazy how good old i5's still are). Maybe go with a 1050ti? I have been using them in budget builds, they are as little as $135 these days. Horizon 3 was really unoptimized for a while and wouldn't hold 60 FPS even with a 1080, so unless they've patched that, throwing money at this one specific game might not even fix the issue. A 1050ti or 1060 would be a good upgrade regardless, if you're playing lots of games. long-ass nips Diane fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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KozmoNaut posted:I'm currently looking at replacing my Chromebook with a refurbed Thinkpad T420(). It's a 5 year old model, but it's got an i5, 4GB RAM, 14" 1600x900 and an SSD, and the refurb place guarantees at least 75% battery life left (of the original 6-8 hours, which is pretty good). My Dad has a T420 and I have a T520 we bought with his discount before he retired. He finally let me install an SSD in his, and it made a huge difference in usability. I have 16gb of ram and he has 8, so in some cases mine is a smidge faster. I'd budget upping the ram in the one you're looking at, but since it already has an SSD you're saving there. Mine is still going great, and much better than the crappy HP thing work gave me. I will note that if you like the original, rough trackpoint caps, those are getting harder to find.
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W700DS is best Thinkpad. But Dell Precision is best laptop.
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