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A Bystander
Oct 10, 2012

Alteisen posted:

Does Golden rush me to 12/24 after I beat the december dungeon?

It's been a while, but I'm reasonably certain that's still the case.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlJrEwEMIpM

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Feb 6, 2007

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I finished Persona 4 Golden. Completed all but two social links (which is good, but short of my record; in P3P I completed all but one.)

It has more of what I liked about the PS2 Persona 4, but also more of what I didn't like about it. Still, the sharper graphics and streamlined mechanics (thank god for fusion search and picking inheritance, seriously) make it a straight improvement on the original.

hostess with the Moltres
May 15, 2013
I'm at the Malsum boss fight in soul hackers and literally none of my demons have buff or debug skills. My zeed is human form only has some decent gun skills and some bad death skills. Both of those are useless against this boss. Very few of the demons I can recruit seem to have buffs too. Any tips?

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Ameno Sagiri loses a lot of fear when I did half his health in 2 Hassau Tobis and Primal Forces.

Being level 90 is probably excessive.

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Alteisen posted:

Ameno Sagiri loses a lot of fear when I did half his health in 2 Hassau Tobis and Primal Forces.

Being level 90 is probably excessive.

I noticed that it's a lot easier to get overleveled in P4G than in the original PS2 release. So many golden hands...

Still, Ameno-Sagiri got closer to beating me than Izanami or Marie did.

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
So because I didn't say I like the pitch of Naoto's voice higher during rank 10 I don't get her Yaso outfit. :geno:

Oh well, new game+ i guess.

Atlus Shrugged
Jul 29, 2014
Fun Shoe

hostess with the Moltres posted:

I'm at the Malsum boss fight in soul hackers and literally none of my demons have buff or debug skills. My zeed is human form only has some decent gun skills and some bad death skills. Both of those are useless against this boss. Very few of the demons I can recruit seem to have buffs too. Any tips?

Fuse a Hare of Inaba (fusion accident with a Beast demon during a full moon- fuse a Pixie and a Gally Trot with the Copernicus and Albert apps equipped), max out its loyalty, Mystic Change it into a pair of Type 178 Ears, then grab another one out of the compendium and get another pair for Nemissa. They're effectively the best helmet in the game- the only thing better's only available from the Casino.

You might also want to fuse a Pallas Athena (fuse two Flight Race demons into a Sylph, fuse two Fairy Race demons into an Undine, then use them to rank up Megami Scathach twice). She reflects Strike and comes with Tetrakarn and Diarama by default, which should make Malsum's Atom Slicer much more manageable. And for buffs, get another Scathach from the Compendium and fuse it with Vile Kanaloa during a new moon to make Black Maria, then fuse Black Maria with a Level 40+ Zeed to make Jeanne D'Arc. She's got Rakukaja and Sukukaja.

hostess with the Moltres
May 15, 2013

Atlus Shrugged posted:

Fuse a Hare of Inaba (fusion accident with a Beast demon during a full moon- fuse a Pixie and a Gally Trot with the Copernicus and Albert apps equipped), max out its loyalty, Mystic Change it into a pair of Type 178 Ears, then grab another one out of the compendium and get another pair for Nemissa. They're effectively the best helmet in the game- the only thing better's only available from the Casino.

You might also want to fuse a Pallas Athena (fuse two Flight Race demons into a Sylph, fuse two Fairy Race demons into an Undine, then use them to rank up Megami Scathach twice). She reflects Strike and comes with Tetrakarn and Diarama by default, which should make Malsum's Atom Slicer much more manageable. And for buffs, get another Scathach from the Compendium and fuse it with Vile Kanaloa during a new moon to make Black Maria, then fuse Black Maria with a Level 40+ Zeed to make Jeanne D'Arc. She's got Rakukaja and Sukukaja.

Thanks. This is going to take a lot of MAG grinding at the primate lab, but its going to be worth it.

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Do I need some kind of special criteria to get the river guardian to spawn in Golden? I know I need to wait for the big splash but its just not happening no matter how often I cast.

A Bystander
Oct 10, 2012

Alteisen posted:

Do I need some kind of special criteria to get the river guardian to spawn in Golden? I know I need to wait for the big splash but its just not happening no matter how often I cast.

Silly question, but are you trying for it while it's raining?

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

A Bystander posted:

Silly question, but are you trying for it while it's raining?

Its January, never rains during winter, but apparently you can get it at night which I just did, now I just need the beach one to cooperate.

A Bystander
Oct 10, 2012

Alteisen posted:

Its January, never rains during winter, but apparently you can get it at night which I just did, now I just need the beach one to cooperate.

Oh, that's right, I forgot about night time. Anyway, the sea guardian is slightly more rude when you hook it, but I think the odds of it showing up are around the same. Both of them took a couple of minutes of searching and reloading when I wasn't getting it.

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

is the PSP version of Innocent Sin supposed to be so easy? I've gotten to Kasugayama High but most enemies only do like 1-3 damage per hit so combat is really unexciting

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

I think Kanji has some anger management issues.

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Feb 6, 2007

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irlZaphod posted:

I think Kanji has some anger management issues.

Get bent!

Alfalfa The Roach
Oct 13, 2012

You need to be a badass first.

irlZaphod posted:

I think Kanji has some anger management issues.

He just really wants to let you know that he's gonna renovate your rear end

Stagger_Lee
Mar 25, 2009
Rise calls me senpai a lot, in my dreams. The translation is very, very good.

Dackel
Sep 11, 2014



Alfalfa The Roach posted:

He just really wants to let you know that he's gonna renovate your rear end

:blush:

Grozz Nuy
Feb 21, 2008

Welcome to Moonside.

Wecomel to Soonmide.

Moonwel ot cosidme.

Alfalfa The Roach posted:

He just really wants to let you know that he's gonna renovate your rear end

Are you sayin' I like dudes

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Trying to plat P4G before 5 comes out and it will always be funny to me that part of the required path to get information about Mitsuo is to just go up to Dojima and ask him if he knows anything about the case.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

I hate the AI in P4G sometimes. Chie, why are you using physical attacks against enemies who are weak to Ice? I know I can set everyone to Direct commands, but for trash mobs it's (usually) quicker to let the AI control the other party members. Just sometimes it's frustrating.

Also I just had an awesome thing happen. I'm going back through the Bathhouse to get items for quests. I had 3 out of 4 things which I needed, all I needed was the Reflecting Board from the Weeping Tables. I found a few of them, took them out with no problems but of course I got a Shuffle Time which included a "No Items" card. I started picking cards before I noticed it (I had never seen that card before), all the other available cards gave me extra turns but wouldn't affect the No Items card. So I had to continue on. A few fights later, I encountered a few of the Tables again. However, there was one of the Beetle enemies which has Mamudo also. It used it, and the only Party member which it landed on was my MC. :ughh: It wasn't a big deal because I restarted from that floor but it just felt so typical where a game gives you a big "gently caress You".

On that note, is there any penalty for restarting from the same floor after a MC death vs reloading a save?

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

irlZaphod posted:


On that note, is there any penalty for restarting from the same floor after a MC death vs reloading a save?

Nope, in the past it wasn't even an option. They added it in for Golden and I think on harder difficulties you have to reload.

hostess with the Moltres
May 15, 2013
Instant death in games where the protagonist's death means game over can gently caress off.

Item Getter
Dec 14, 2015

hostess with the Moltres posted:

Instant death in games where the protagonist's death means game over can gently caress off.

megamitensei.txt

Meiteron
Apr 4, 2008

Whoa! You're gonna be a legend!
Way, way late to the party I've finally gotten around to starting SMT4: Apocalypse. After a few hours I have concluded it's basically SMT:4, but with plucky persona teenagers and one awesome irish god as sidekicks. Time will tell how that pans out, I guess.

Are there any critical things to know about this game in advance to avoid unfixable problems? I'm thinking of how you had to do an elaborate dance to get Neutral in SMT:4 and could lock yourself out entirely by making the wrong decisions if you were going in blind.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Meiteron posted:

Way, way late to the party I've finally gotten around to starting SMT4: Apocalypse. After a few hours I have concluded it's basically SMT:4, but with plucky persona teenagers and one awesome irish god as sidekicks. Time will tell how that pans out, I guess.

Are there any critical things to know about this game in advance to avoid unfixable problems? I'm thinking of how you had to do an elaborate dance to get Neutral in SMT:4 and could lock yourself out entirely by making the wrong decisions if you were going in blind.
Nope. They fixed all that. A ton of quality of life improvements from the O.G. SMT4. A few things that can go gently caress themselves, however, are:
  1. While still obviously Mainline MegaTen, kinda feels like a Persona game at times, especially with regards to tone
  2. Navarre's little mechanic can get obnoxious at points
  3. Gaston's AI can rot for all I care

Item Getter
Dec 14, 2015

Wark Say posted:

  1. Navarre's little mechanic can get obnoxious at points
  2. Gaston's AI can rot for all I care

I didn't like 4 enough to play 4:A especially with P5 on the horizon. So I'm curious what are those?
The partners were a problem in SMT4..... though mostly the worst problem was randomly getting a partner with the wrong element attack before a boss fight, and as I understand you can manually choose them now.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Item Getter posted:

I didn't like 4 enough to play 4:A especially with P5 on the horizon. So I'm curious what are those?
The partners were a problem in SMT4..... though mostly the worst problem was randomly getting a partner with the wrong element attack before a boss fight, and as I understand you can manually choose them now.
  • Navarre has a little mechanic for the mazes / dungeons that, in order to unlock some out-of-sight chests or to open certain areas, you need to destroy barriers using him. In most cases, it isn't that big of a deal, but it is still annoying when a random encounter fucks up your timing on things related to the Navarre mechanic.
  • Yes, SMT4:A allows you to choose your fighting partner. Some of them are super fly and basically they'll have your back fo' ever ever. Gaston is not one of them. Gaston is a loving rear end in a top hat and he can be the permanent bench-warmer for all I care. I cannot stress this enough: gently caress that guy. :mad:
I honestly have no beef with the Persona games. Speaking honestly: Persona 4 Golden + the Devil Survivor games are hella fun and very replayable. I honestly do not care for the Anime High School setting that much.

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022
Gaston is my favorite character in the game, out-Navarreing Navarre.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

No one fights like Gaston
Douses lights like Gaston
In a wrestling match nobody bites like Gaston!

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Wark Say posted:

Nope. They fixed all that. A ton of quality of life improvements from the O.G. SMT4. A few things that can go gently caress themselves, however, are:
  1. While still obviously Mainline MegaTen, kinda feels like a Persona game at times, especially with regards to tone
  2. Navarre's little mechanic can get obnoxious at points
  3. Gaston's AI can rot for all I care

Going Dagda's route fixes point 1 pretty well imo

Alfalfa The Roach
Oct 13, 2012

You need to be a badass first.
I've been watching various Adachi-related material lately, specifically his P4G S.Link and his Ultimax Story Mode

The change in his S.Link from Jester to Hunger is done incredibly well

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Alfalfa The Roach posted:

The change in his S.Link from Jester to Hunger is done incredibly well

I really thought that scene was going to be a nonstandard game over. I mean hell, how stupid could you be? But no.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
I really need to see the new Adachi stuff in like Golden and Ultimax, I never got far enough into trying out Golden to see it. My interest in Adachi is extremely low, but people talk really highly of the Jester/Hunger link.

It's a tad annoying honestly that Persona 5 is coming out now of all times when I've finally got the itch and time to replay Persona 1 or Golden or get further in SMT IV but oh well

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


http://shin-megamitensei.jp/dsj/

The Machine
Dec 15, 2004
Rage Against / Welcome to
Are Atlus out of DS games to rerelease for 3DS yet?

Where's the Contact rerelease.

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
Etrian Odyssey 3, though they have another stream scheduled for next month's 10 year anniversary. Could be updated there.

The Machine
Dec 15, 2004
Rage Against / Welcome to
I think we're overdue for Luminous Arc and Trauma Center collections.

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blizzardvizard
Sep 12, 2012

Shhh... don't wake up the sleeping lion :3:


I'm excited but also terrified.

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