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Main Paineframe posted:Yeah, why couldn't Obama have made a simple change that solely benefited the poor, like massively expanding Medicaid eligibility? Or infrastructure spending as economic stimulus? The joke, of course, is that he did attempt both those things, among many other policies that would have helped poor whites, but both were blocked by both state and national Republicans in the name of their ideological opposition to government programs that help poor people.
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comedyblissoption posted:in the 2009-2010 congress, the democrats had the presidency, a 58% majority in the house, and passed the ACA with a filibuster proof senate majority caucus. trying to hide behind republican obstructionism is a bankrupt argument lol, just gonna quote this one real quick before you realize your tremendous mistake
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Because they're scared of richer people who hate people as poor as them (see how nobody major went to jail over the 2008 crash, the healthcare thing was a piece of poo poo compared to anywhere civilised, and there's still no maternity leave in the US, because of this fear about The Economy), and because they are bitchmade they think this fear justifies an ugly cruelty to people poorer than themselves who they think deserve to hate/fear them in the same way. Hope that helps!
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:That's not even germane to the point. It is because every time one of you 101 level marxists grabs the mic all we hear about is corruption in the capitalist system and it's inevitable downfall, while failing to provide even a single example of a human economic system or other arrangement that's free of the sorts of things that happen whenever 2 humans talk to eachother. It's like you're gaming human interaction by a dungeons and dragons ruleset, except assuming you can roll a 20 every single time.
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gobbagool posted:It is because every time one of you 101 level marxists grabs the mic all we hear about is corruption in the capitalist system and it's inevitable downfall, while failing to provide even a single example of a human economic system or other arrangement that's free of the sorts of things that happen whenever 2 humans talk to eachother. It's like you're gaming human interaction by a dungeons and dragons ruleset, except assuming you can roll a 20 every single time. what
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gobbagool posted:It is because every time one of you 101 level marxists grabs the mic all we hear about is corruption in the capitalist system and it's inevitable downfall, while failing to provide even a single example of a human economic system or other arrangement that's free of the sorts of things that happen whenever 2 humans talk to eachother. It's like you're gaming human interaction by a dungeons and dragons ruleset, except assuming you can roll a 20 every single time. single payer healthcare, it's like the tides, they go in and out and you can't explain it
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jarofpiss posted:what yeah sorry kind of a wordy way of saying...communists, especially of the anime internet variety, seem overly fond of pointing out the flaws in capitalism while refusing to acknowledge their system sucks even worse, but for the exact same reason, which is the human beings will almost always do the wrong thing if it means helping out a friend or otherwise connected associate, be it done under the banner of Adam Smith or Vladimir Illyich Lenin. Pener, as someone who claims to have a history degree, should be able to acknowledge this, or alternatively, provide an example to the contrary from the vast number of successful communist societies.
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liberals don't hate the poor op only conservatives hate the poor
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gobbagool posted:yeah sorry kind of a wordy way of saying...communists, especially of the anime internet variety, seem overly fond of pointing out the flaws in capitalism while refusing to acknowledge their system sucks even worse, but for the exact same reason, which is the human beings will almost always do the wrong thing if it means helping out a friend or otherwise connected associate, be it done under the banner of Adam Smith or Vladimir Illyich Lenin. Pener, as someone who claims to have a history degree, should be able to acknowledge this, or alternatively, provide an example to the contrary from the vast number of successful communist societies. Here's on C-SPAM we're advocates of the Gay Weed branch of Full Socialism Now, actually.
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gobbagool posted:yeah sorry kind of a wordy way of saying...communists, especially of the anime internet variety, seem overly fond of pointing out the flaws in capitalism while refusing to acknowledge their system sucks even worse, but for the exact same reason, which is the human beings will almost always do the wrong thing if it means helping out a friend or otherwise connected associate, be it done under the banner of Adam Smith or Vladimir Illyich Lenin. Pener, as someone who claims to have a history degree, should be able to acknowledge this, or alternatively, provide an example to the contrary from the vast number of successful communist societies. Marxism is self-critiquing, and so for that matter are almost all other schools of socialism. It's not like everybody just ignores the problems of Actually Existing Socialisms, the point is that they were still preferable to capitalism, and that there are better alternatives to past models.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Marxism is self-critiquing, and so for that matter are almost all other schools of socialism. It's not like everybody just ignores the problems of Actually Existing Socialisms, the point is that they were still preferable to capitalism, and that there are better alternatives to past models. Yes cuba and north korea are surely preferable to living in Germany or the US and if you think otherwise I suggest you read das kapital again until you understand
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That Robot posted:liberals don't hate the poor op This_is_what_liberals_actually_believe.txt
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Dreddout posted:This_is_what_liberals_actually_believe.txt they also believe woody allen movies are good
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gobbagool posted:Yes cuba and north korea are surely preferable to living in Germany or the US and if you think otherwise I suggest you read das kapital again until you understand Why wouldn't you want to live in Cuba?
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gobbagool posted:Yes cuba and north korea are surely preferable to living in Germany or the US and if you think otherwise I suggest you read das kapital again until you understand I wouldn't want to live in Cuba but that's mainly because everyone there is so much healthier that I'd be embarrassed  Call me a communist, but those outcomes with 95% less spending doesn't SEEM to be an example of government inefficiency edit: lol they switched cuba and the US for blood glucose and high blood pressure, unless somehow america is fatter without having any of the associated health effects call to action fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Why wouldn't you want to live in Cuba? so this is where you tell me Cuba is actually a really kickin rad country and way more free than the US, right?
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gobbagool posted:so this is where you tell me Cuba is actually a really kickin rad country and way more free than the US, right? Cuba is indeed kicking rad, unless you're into fat people
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call to action posted:I wouldn't want to live in Cuba but that's mainly because everyone there is so much healthier that I'd be embarrassed I guess if your sole concern is where your country ranks on a health survey, and nothing else matters, then yeah, you should break your way into cuba. I imagine there's plenty of rafts in south florida from people (obviously employing double plus wrongthink) who came the other way
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gobbagool posted:I guess if your sole concern is where your country ranks on a health survey, and nothing else matters, then yeah, you should break your way into cuba. I imagine there's plenty of rafts in south florida from people (obviously employing double plus wrongthink) who came the other way As a human being, yes, my physical health is a primary concern of mine. There's no need to take rafts as Frontier flys cheap from Miami to Havana. Lots of people go to Cuba for cheaper, better medical care though, to your point.
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Life seems pretty great when you're the privileged middle class of countries that extract imperialist super profits.
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imagine being on the side of the people fleeing Cuba after the revolution when that includes the people who spawned Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz
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call to action posted:As a human being, yes, my physical health is a primary concern of mine. There's no need to take rafts as Frontier flys cheap from Miami to Havana. Lots of people go to Cuba for cheaper, better medical care though, to your point. So when are you leaving for Cuba? I can't imagine a reason why you wouldn't go, as you've stated, your physical health is a primary concern for you, and you don't seem the type to be able to figure out the American healthcare system. Do you have a patreon where I can donate for your airfare?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Life seems pretty great when you're the privileged middle class of countries that extract imperialist super profits. OK, yeah, i'm a white male with a mid 6 figures job living well, so you have a point. What makes you and your fellow travellers think that life in Cuba is so great though? I mean, people arent sneaking into cuba, they're putting their lives on the line to escape, on primitive rafts in dangerous waters. Why are they doing that? Because healthcare is so great in cuba that they just cant stand all the winning? Seriously, why is it that people are always fleeing communist paradises, to go to capitalist horrorshows like western europe and the US?
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gobbagool posted:So when are you leaving for Cuba? I can't imagine a reason why you wouldn't go, as you've stated, your physical health is a primary concern for you, and you don't seem the type to be able to figure out the American healthcare system. Do you have a patreon where I can donate for your airfare? I have a job with a good healthcare plan, so I'm good even if I can see how hosed things are for others. I agree that it's pretty silly we have a healthcare system we have to "figure out" gobbagool posted:OK, yeah, i'm a white male with a mid 6 figures job living well, so you have a point. What makes you and your fellow travellers think that life in Cuba is so great though? I mean, people arent sneaking into cuba, they're putting their lives on the line to escape, on primitive rafts in dangerous waters. Why are they doing that? Because healthcare is so great in cuba that they just cant stand all the winning? Seriously, why is it that people are always fleeing communist paradises, to go to capitalist horrorshows like western europe and the US? Why would you sneak in? Like I said, Frontier offers cheap flights there for the savvy medical tourist.
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call to action posted:I have a job with a good healthcare plan, so I'm good even if I can see how hosed things are for others. I agree that it's pretty silly we have a healthcare system we have to "figure out" so when are you leaving for Cuba? Is your health your primary concern or not? If i didnt know better, I'd say you're just a contrarian marxist dipshit, but I mean that in the nicest possible way. If you think people are too stupid to make their own decisions, no wonder you're a totalitarian fanboy.
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call to action posted:
Sure, so why don't cubans just fly out? Oh yeah that's right, they need permission, and most cubans are far too poor to contemplate a plane flight, ever, but yeah they do get those super sweet che tshirts and 'free' medical care so I guess that makes up for the grinding poverty and lack of freedom
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Gas or destroy the Yoda loving Luke GBS guy please.
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gobbagool posted:What makes you and your fellow travellers think that life in Cuba is so great though? Healthcare, public transit, local and workplace democracy, tropical environment, better education, more attractive people. All that seems like a fair trade off from being able to grow morbidly obese and vote for a useless bourgeois party that doesn't represent public interests. People don't move there mostly because they can't, not because it's not as if they'd like to. There's actually a lot of people from the United States who are retiring to Cuba, but they've got a lifetime of savings and investments behind them - people like you. Have you ever given any pause to why, for instance, if capitalism is such a superior system then why is the flood of refugees flowing into Europe and the United States primarily from other capitalist countries?
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Gas or destroy the Yoda loving Luke GBS guy please. I prefer a ten year mandatory vacation to siberia for him.
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gobbagool posted:OK, yeah, i'm a white male with a mid 6 figures job living well, so you have a point. What makes you and your fellow travellers think that life in Cuba is so great though? I mean, people arent sneaking into cuba, they're putting their lives on the line to escape, on primitive rafts in dangerous waters. Why are they doing that? Because healthcare is so great in cuba that they just cant stand all the winning? Seriously, why is it that people are always fleeing communist paradises, to go to capitalist horrorshows like western europe and the US? So are you trying to be an example of why people hate libs or does it just come naturally?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:
cuba - noted 'other capitalist country' has provided over 1.1m refugees to the United States. my god you're as bad as borneo jimmy
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gobbagool posted:cuba - noted 'other capitalist country' has provided over 1.1m refugees to the United States. my god you're as bad as borneo jimmy quote:http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states
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gobbagool posted:cuba - noted 'other capitalist country' has provided over 1.1m refugees to the United States. my god you're as bad as borneo jimmy So is Mexico communist? What about Haiti?
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When is the last time a raft came here from Cuba - the 90's? Update your bullshit grandpa - those rafts are vectors for terrorists preying on bleeding heart liberals!
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It's me, I'm the guy who feels sorry for the displaced bourgeois in the wake of getting their poo poo seized
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Also Cuban women are loving gorgeous blends of like every race, sorry no objectify. Hybrid vigor indeed.
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"If socialism is so great why does Cuba suck?" -a very smart and cool guy
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Oh Snapple! posted:It's me, I'm the guy who feels sorry for the displaced bourgeois in the wake of getting their poo poo seized For people who follow an ideology that got its start cutting rich assholes heads off, liberals sure hate politcal violence. The_Politics_Man fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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