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Bolocko posted:Who says the atheist Left lacks religious faith? See it here, a shining city on . . . somewhere just past the horizon. I can't help but laugh if you think that churches were built for the glorification of all men.
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Bolocko posted:Who says the atheist Left lacks religious faith? See it here, a shining city on . . . somewhere just past the horizon. The "great" churches of europe were built for the glorification of a ruler or a state. That's it.
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Panzeh posted:I can't help but laugh if you think that churches were built for the glorification of all men. I suspect we don't share a definition for the term.
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Bolocko posted:I suspect we don't share a definition for the term. Probably not.
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The grandiosity of cathedrals represents extreme amounts of approproated surplus labor, from a population whose standard of living was so incredibly low, that it would be regarded as inhumane today. Yet, functionally, these buildings serve no other purpose than to aggrandize both the religion they were built for, and the ego of the of the people that paid for them. Every stone of that building represents an unfed mouth, an unpaved road, or the unclean water peasants had to drink. It represents wasted effort, that could have improved real lives, that instead satisfied the pride of the aristocratic class.
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rudatron posted:The grandiosity of cathedrals represents extreme amounts of approproated surplus labor, from a population whose standard of living was so incredibly low, that it would be regarded as inhumane today. Yet, functionally, these buildings serve no other purpose than to aggrandize both the religion they were built for, and the ego of the of the people that paid for them. all_of_civilization.txt
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And yet destroying them won't undo the harm done in their construction. Some might call it a wasted effort.
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OwlFancier posted:all_of_civilization.txt I vote we blow up every church and use the material to construct Tatlin's tower 
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I'm usually not so hot on this "atheism is like a religion" thing, but a bunch of you guys sound like the loving Taliban.
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Bolocko posted:I suspect we don't share a definition for the term. Can you please explain how a church is a celebration of humankind?
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Unless you believe in god I fail to see what else a thing which represents the height of human artifice at its time and used by countless people in acts of community and as a source of comfort could possibly be.
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rear end struggle posted:Can you please explain how a church is a celebration of humankind? Nah Come and see.
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Bolocko posted:Nah Can i bring my boys in black and red? We'll show you humanity.
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Yep, bring whomever you wish.
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Wipe the slate clean, eject us into a blank new characterless world bereft of built heritage. Year zero will commence again.
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Jokes aside, I've been to church. It was a celebration of delusion and self-righteousness. It offers the same comfort that heroin does. Unless you are a UU or something, I fail to see how any of it would celebrate humanity.
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How many fedoras did you have on at the time?
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OwlFancier posted:How many fedoras did you have on at the time? ad hominem is cool
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I'm not sure you get to complain about that when you literally just posted about wanting to string someone up and burn down their church with your band of really stupid anarchists.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure you get to complain about that when you literally just posted about wanting to string someone up and burn down their church with your band of really stupid anarchists. "ur dumb u dumb anarchist haha u redditor"
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Panzeh posted:History is not stones sitting on the ground or stained glass or whatever's engraved on an old ceiling. History is what we do as human beings. Actually if you destroy those stones can anyone tell that such a place ever existed? Also I was referring to the secularists ignoring the racist history that has accompanied those who declare that reason is why they commit their actions. Also if the rationalization for colonialism was made by the men who are the prophets of the enlightenment and many in fact did well through such exploitation that calls into question their whole reasons for all their reasoning.
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Crowsbeak posted:Actually if you destroy those stones can anyone tell that such a place ever existed? Also I was referring to the secularists ignoring the racist history that has accompanied those who declare that reason is why they commit their actions. Lol the rationalism for colonialism was spreading the glory of the crown. They came up with secular arguments to try to justify their royalty (Divine right) driven genocide.
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Uh I think that maybe there might be more people primarily at fault for colonialism than the monarchs.
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OwlFancier posted:Unless you believe in god I fail to see what else a thing which represents the height of human artifice at its time and used by countless people in acts of community and as a source of comfort could possibly be. It's a rallying point for reactionary scum, a place where they are revered and worshipped, and these places always have been.
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RasperFat posted:Lol the rationalism for colonialism was spreading the glory of the crown. They came up with secular arguments to try to justify their royalty (Divine right) driven genocide. The third Republic had a monarch?
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Panzeh posted:It's a rallying point for reactionary scum, a place where they are revered and worshipped, and these places always have been. Yeah, when I go to my church with its dwindling congregation of 16 or so folk to receive the latest batch of papal orders in our neverending war against secular society I can't help but think, lord above, what reactionary scum we are, how revered we are, how worshipped we feel. As we symbolically cannibalize our dead saviour's flesh and blood all I can think is how important it is to me, to us as a faith, that the revolution is strangled in its crib and that human liberation is forever fettered and hamstrung by me and the 15 other people singing hymns and afterwards shaking hands with the priest, maybe inviting him back for a cup of tea before he takes the ferry to the mainland. I remember the horror of witnessing weddings and christenings and funerals in these great stone follies and think yes, this is sinister and terrifying and all these people are surely evil servants of a monstrous cult, drawn together by a deep, atavistic compulsion to sow terror and disarray across the world and forever retard the growth and prosperity of mankind.
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Bolocko posted:Nah I would rather not. They're full of whack jobs who believe that some invisible man in the sky made everything that you see, and suddenly two thousand years ago sent his brown son down here to be ravaged by his creations in order to give flawed people an excuse to never work on their flaws. Yes, if jesus was real, he was brown.
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Tonetta posted:Yes, if jesus was real, he was brown. woaaaaah
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Tonetta posted:I would rather not. They're full of whack jobs who believe that some invisible man in the sky made everything that you see, and suddenly two thousand years ago sent his brown son down here to be ravaged by his creations in order to give flawed people an excuse to never work on their flaws. oh ffffuu no way? like next you're gonna tell me he was a JEW A SEMITE who else have you told??? EDIT: quote:an excuse to never work on their flaws In all seriousness though, this is nuts Bolocko fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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Tonetta posted:I would rather not. They're full of whack jobs who believe that some invisible man in the sky made everything that you see, and suddenly two thousand years ago sent his brown son down here to be ravaged by his creations in order to give flawed people an excuse to never work on their flaws.
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RasperFat posted:Lol the rationalism for colonialism was spreading the glory of the crown. They came up with secular arguments to try to justify their royalty (Divine right) driven genocide. Capitalism drove colonialism. But you're right besides that.
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The Kingfish posted:Actually, Jesus is God. I think you mean Gay. He was a closet gay
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God is radically egalitarian and was executed for dissent. He could have been gay.
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Presumably if God is benevolent then he would be pansexual.
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God the Son could have been gay or straight or transsexual and it wouldn't change anything theologically. God the Father is something radically outside of our ability understand.
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The Garden of Eden is a metaphor for insentience.
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The metaphor explicitly casts the attainment of knowledge as a bad deed deserving of punishment. The snake is the good guy.
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TomViolence posted:And yet destroying them won't undo the harm done in their construction. Some might call it a wasted effort.
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rudatron posted:The metaphor explicitly casts the attainment of knowledge as a bad deed deserving of punishment. The snake is the good guy. I would find it rather difficult to disagree given the primary function of sapience appears to be a grotesque overdevelopment of the human capacity to suffer.
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