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Mar 24, 2017 00:41
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evilweasel posted:whoops pence being a bit unsubtle about the actual goal here This is just loving astounding
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Mar 24, 2017 00:49
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Mar 24, 2017 00:54
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I simply cannot believe Republicans made this more of a cluster gently caress than the actual ACA creation.
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Mar 24, 2017 00:55
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re: Mulvaney https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/845060562539237376 https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/845060998851706881 sounds like 
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Mar 24, 2017 00:59
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Thank god Trump is such a good negotiator, 2 months in and he's already saved the healthcare of 25 million Americans.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:01
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Mantis42 posted:Thank god Trump is such a good negotiator, 2 months in and he's already saved the healthcare of 25 million Americans. Healthcare Reform Megathread: Trump saves 25 million Americans
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Mar 24, 2017 01:07
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Final bill will include EHB repeal and is likely a final gamble that when push comes to shove HFC will bend. I think it won't even matter as I think they may not have moderates with the EHB repeal. It's not over until the actual vote happens though.
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Mantis42 posted:Thank god Trump is such a good negotiator, 2 months in and he's already saved the healthcare of 25 million Americans. Trump: Manchurian Rino I just made a million-dollar header for Breitbart, pay me.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:09
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evilweasel posted:Final bill will include EHB repeal and is likely a final gamble that when push comes to shove HFC will bend. I think it won't even matter as I think they may not have moderates with the EHB repeal. But if you had to put money on it the NOs are pretty safe bet I think.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:17
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:But if you had to put money on it the NOs are pretty safe bet I think. People ARE putting money on it. And lives.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:20
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:But if you had to put money on it the NOs are pretty safe bet I think. Yep. https://twitter.com/Heritage_Action/status/845067109520560130
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Mar 24, 2017 01:24
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/845067745389613057 lol
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Mar 24, 2017 01:28
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Don't get cocky. There is plenty of time for things to get unfucked.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:31
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If the next 46 months are anything like the first two have been then I can't wrap my head around how anyone could ever again trust Republicans to govern. Everything about how they've handled this bill has been insanely inept.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:34
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I just can't see Republicans walking away from gutting medicaid and giving tax cuts to the rich.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:37
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Bueno Papi posted:I just can't see Republicans walking away from gutting medicaid and giving tax cuts to the rich. It's a mistake to think of this as a thing "Republicans" are doing. It's a dispute between people with very different goals from each other. All of them can tell you a "repeal and replace" bill they'd vote for. It's getting 216 to agree on one that's the problem.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:43
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In a twist that will surprise no one, the Ways & Means chair has confirmed there will be no CBO score on the final bill.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:47
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evilweasel posted:It's a mistake to think of this as a thing "Republicans" are doing. It's a dispute between people with very different goals from each other. All of them can tell you a "repeal and replace" bill they'd vote for. It's getting 216 to agree on one that's the problem. I get that and I'm not disputing the political realities at play here. I guess I'm just posting my utter contempt for Republicans in how they have conducted themselves as the minority party for 10 years. They created the HFC and that's the reason they can't govern now.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:52
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This all sounds like great news but I'm hesitant to underestimate the ability of the republicans to fall in line in the name of evil.
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Noctone posted:If the next 46 months are anything like the first two have been then I can't wrap my head around how anyone could ever again trust Republicans to govern. Everything about how they've handled this bill has been insanely inept. Well they've had a stranglehold on Kansas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma etc...
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Mar 24, 2017 02:06
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House leadership is trying to cut side deals so the whole "negotiations are over" thing is not exactly true. Still possible they can get this.
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Mar 24, 2017 02:15
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evilweasel posted:House leadership is trying to cut side deals so the whole "negotiations are over" thing is not exactly true. Still possible they can get this. Got a link?
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Mar 24, 2017 02:17
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I wonder why people pledging to vote no on the bill voted yes for the same day vote?
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Mar 24, 2017 02:17
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eviltastic posted:Got a link? https://twitter.com/jim_newell/status/845074983730761728
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Mar 24, 2017 02:21
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Badger of Basra posted:I wonder why people pledging to vote no on the bill voted yes for the same day vote? If your dog's dying you don't let it suffer for an extra day
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Mar 24, 2017 02:22
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yup, still trying to twist arms at an individual level https://twitter.com/CNN/status/845080709870075904 Ain't over until it's over.
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Mar 24, 2017 02:27
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https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/845089333229047810 I wish I hadn't done this but also please vote yes.
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Mar 24, 2017 02:49
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bannon is going all out leaking stuff to try to kill ryan https://twitter.com/brianefallon/status/845090579214159874
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Mar 24, 2017 03:01
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evilweasel posted:bannon is going all out leaking stuff to try to kill ryan Oh man I want this healthcare bill to be dead so badly just for all the drama that is going to ensue.
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Mar 24, 2017 03:02
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sorry guys i think the lovely trumpcare bill passes either tmr or next week: the suicide caucus is suicidal but not that suicidal, they want to get re-elected and trump is playing the "I don't care if I win re-election" madman theory chess move. the HFC will bend and the moderates will go along because it's more politically suicidal not to pass a repeal than to pass a repeal Trump played this pretty well except for signing up for it in the first place thing, the senate OTOH is gonna be much bigger challenge
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Mar 24, 2017 03:03
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Typo posted:sorry guys i think the lovely trumpcare bill passes either tmr or next week: the suicide caucus is suicidal but not that suicidal, they want to get re-elected and trump is playing the "I don't care if I win re-election" madman theory chess move. this bill has 17% support its pretty hard to sell this to moderates as more suicidal to vote against
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Mar 24, 2017 03:06
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Typo posted:sorry guys i think the lovely trumpcare bill passes either tmr or next week: the suicide caucus is suicidal but not that suicidal, they want to get re-elected and trump is playing the "I don't care if I win re-election" madman theory chess move. HFC districts are among the safest in the House, and they won't be facing primaries from the right over this. In addition to the Koch war chest that's been pledged.
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Paracaidas posted:HFC districts are among the safest in the House, and they won't be facing primaries from the right over this. In addition to the Koch war chest that's been pledged. If trump starts doing rallies in their districts idk man, he can primary them from the Trump-Axis if he has to
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Mar 24, 2017 03:07
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Typo posted:If trump starts doing rallies in their districts idk man, he can primary them from the Trump-Axis if he has to Trump rallying in those districts won't matter, they know this bill isn't a full repeal of Obamacare.
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Mar 24, 2017 03:09
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Here's the final sale job: to the HFC, we gave you what you want, to the moderates, the Senate will take it out, don't worry about it: https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/845094966133215232
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Boon posted:Well they've had a stranglehold on Kansas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma etc... I meant moreso on an overall/national level. Of course they're always going to have some places on lockdown since, as EW has covered multiple times, some people are blindly loyal to a baffling degree. I think a lot of people got inured to how good they had it under Obama and how competent he was at the job and either voted for Trump or sat the election out because they either thought it didn't matter who won or they just wanted to shake things up. The kind of poo poo we've seen over the past two months ought to disabuse a lot of people of the notion that both parties are just two sides of the same coin.
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evilweasel posted:Here's the final sale job: to the HFC, we gave you what you want, to the moderates, the Senate will take it out, don't worry about it: Lulz, I've heard Reps in the HFC say just repealing the EHB isn't enough. These ideologues want even more time to review the bill before a vote is cast but more so they'd rather start over. Any kind of language in the bill that vaguely looks like Obamacare will probably be shot down.
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Noctone posted:If the next 46 months are anything like the first two have been then I can't wrap my head around how anyone could ever again trust Republicans to govern. Everything about how they've handled this bill has been insanely inept. Deceit and bigotry. evilweasel posted:It's a mistake to think of this as a thing "Republicans" are doing. It's a dispute between people with very different goals from each other. All of them can tell you a "repeal and replace" bill they'd vote for. It's getting 216 to agree on one that's the problem. Pfft, I'm pinning this on all Republicans no matter what. Them, Trump, and Trump voters.
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