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eviltastic posted:Yuuuup. If Trump starts going after Koch backed NO votesrs let the GOP Civil War begin.
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Obviously Trump wants names, but what is the likely fallout if Ryan just pulls the bill entirely?
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Mar 24, 2017 17:43
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eviltastic posted:Yuuuup. I think this is right: it's the people who Ryan has arm-twisted who want the bill pulled, not Ryan himself: https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/845314711071666177 There's nothing good any of them gain by being on record, and if they don't vote at all they can run on saying they'd have done whatever is most popular among the electorate they're running in for 2018.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:44
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It's just bleeding support the longer it goes without a vote. Should've tried to ram it through in the dead of night or something I guess? eat poo poo Paul Ryan you Ayn Rand fanboy weasel
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Monkey Fracas posted:eat poo poo Paul Ryan you Ayn Rand fanboy weasel misread this initially and was wondering what the hell i'd posted to deserve this
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Mar 24, 2017 17:46
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So what happens if Boss Baby Trump demands a vote no matter what gently caress the results. Will it have to take place?
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Mar 24, 2017 17:47
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evilweasel posted:misread this initially and was wondering what the hell i'd posted to deserve this I mean, your name IRL is John Galt, so...(sorry to doxx you)
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Mar 24, 2017 17:49
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So what happens if Boss Baby Trump demands a vote no matter what gently caress the results. Will it have to take place? Trump has no formal power to demand a vote. Ryan can tell him to get stuffed, Ryan is the speaker. But that would have obvious political implications and poison the relationship between Ryan and Trump even more when Ryan hasn't gotten the tax cuts he so desperately wants so I doubt Ryan will refuse the order.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:49
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evilweasel posted:Trump has no formal power to demand a vote. Ryan can tell him to get stuffed, Ryan is the speaker. But that would have obvious political implications and poison the relationship between Ryan and Trump even more when Ryan hasn't gotten the tax cuts he so desperately wants so I doubt Ryan will refuse the order. Did I just hear "President Ryan"? He still wouldn't get them.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:50
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So what happens if Boss Baby Trump demands a vote no matter what gently caress the results. Will it have to take place? I mean trump can't order the house around but if he publically does that it's going to make him or Ryan look terrible depending on if Ryan caves
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So what happens if Boss Baby Trump demands a vote no matter what gently caress the results. Will it have to take place? as speaker of the house ryan has the power to schedule votes and can do whatever the hell he wants the problem is that he would be going against the leader of his party to do so but trump will blame him if the whole thing fails anyway so.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmn9asN-8AE
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Mar 24, 2017 17:50
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Office Pig posted:Did I just hear "President Ryan"? Ryan will get his tax cuts. He is just unlikely to get permanent tax cuts (since that requires the border adjustment tax, which is likely impossible to get through and definitely not without Trump arm-twisting effectively) so they'll sunset in 10 years.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:51
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So what happens if Boss Baby Trump demands a vote no matter what gently caress the results. Will it have to take place? It's 100% up to Paul Ryan. He has to decide whether or not he wants Trump to start campaigning for a primary challenger for Ryan's seat on Monday. (Don't tell me Trump isn't petty enough to do this)
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Mar 24, 2017 17:51
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joe football posted:I mean trump can't order the house around but if he publically does that it's going to make him or Ryan look terrible depending on if Ryan caves ryan is explicitly going to beg trump to tell him what to do so he can tell his members sorry for having to take this vote, trump made me https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/845315058414563328
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Mar 24, 2017 17:52
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evilweasel posted:ryan is explicitly going to beg trump to tell him what to do so he can tell his members sorry for having to take this vote, trump made me Gold Yeller
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Mar 24, 2017 17:54
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hobbesmaster posted:It's 100% up to Paul Ryan. He has to decide whether or not he wants Trump to start campaigning for a primary challenger for Ryan's seat on Monday. Trump already did that in 2016. The primary challenger got creamed something like 83-17. Ryan isn't at all worried about that, he's worried about his members who really don't want to take this no-win vote. edit: it is, of course, entirely possible that 22 rebels vote to declare the speakership vacant, which the Democrats will happily support them on.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:54
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Another key No: https://twitter.com/jennaportnoy/status/845317544202375169
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Mar 24, 2017 17:54
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Excellent. How many Nos from today alone does that make?
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Mar 24, 2017 17:57
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evilweasel posted:Trump already did that in 2016. The primary challenger got creamed something like 83-17. Ryan isn't at all worried about that, he's worried about his members who really don't want to take this no-win vote. Ryan hadn't betrayed Trump at that point. And previous failure has never stopped Trump from doing something before.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Excellent. How many Nos from today alone does that make? I have no idea but I strongly suspect 22+  . But "moderates" who hadn't previously said no coming out as a no at this point means they're convinced it's dead and are jumping ship I think, and I think Comstock is close enough to Northern Virginia that she's a "moderate".
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Mar 24, 2017 18:02
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Spicer press briefing about to start, we'll see what spin he has on this
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Mar 24, 2017 18:07
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New York Times sharpening the knives:quote:WASHINGTON — House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, facing a revolt among conservative and moderate Republicans, rushed to the White House Friday afternoon to inform President Trump he did not have the votes to pass legislation to repeal the Affordable Care Act and to decide whether to pull the bill from consideration.
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Mar 24, 2017 18:10
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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/845321748849528833 It seems that Comstock is the start of the "would have votes yes if needed to pass, now voting no" avalanche.
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Mar 24, 2017 18:11
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evilweasel posted:I have no idea but I strongly suspect 22+ As people are pointing out on her Twitter, Clinton won VA10 by 10% and Comstock won reelection by 6%. I think locals who actually follow politics will see her bullshit stance of waiting until the bill was good and dead but she'll undoubtedly start sending out fliers about how she "stood up for our healthcare".
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Mar 24, 2017 18:12
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Sacred Cow posted:As people are pointing out on her Twitter, Clinton won VA10 by 10% and Comstock won reelection by 6%. I think locals who actually follow politics will see her bullshit stance of waiting until the bill was good and dead but she'll undoubtedly start sending out fliers about how she "stood up for our healthcare". Its worth a try, but my guess is that people who were outraged over Trumpcare won't notice or care she voted against it, and a non-zero part of her base won't come out and vote anymore.
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It's on. https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/845324014595850240 e: Unless this is yet another right hand left hand screwup, I guess. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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Mar 24, 2017 18:21
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lol https://twitter.com/achorowitz/status/845324139246374912
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Mar 24, 2017 18:22
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Shockingly, Trump is bad at any deal making that isn't "Throw money and hookers at fat businessman till he agrees."
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Mar 24, 2017 18:25
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Someone pointed out on Twitter that Spicer is already talking about the bill in the past tense.
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Mar 24, 2017 18:25
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evilweasel posted:Someone pointed out on Twitter that Spicer is already talking about the bill in the past tense. Next week it'll be "Bill? What bill? We never had a health care bill."
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Mar 24, 2017 18:29
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https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/845326429789327361 ITS HAPPENING
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Mar 24, 2017 18:28
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Isn't Keystone going to use Russian steel?
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PhazonLink posted:Isn't Keystone going to use Russian steel? Non-US, yeah. They already bought it.
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https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/845325722940063745 https://twitter.com/simonmaloy/status/845325609702182915
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Mar 24, 2017 18:36
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1stGear posted:Shockingly, Trump is bad at any deal making that isn't "Throw money and hookers at fat businessman till he agrees." Has he tried throwing money and hookers at awkward congressmen?
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Mar 24, 2017 18:37
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That's, uh...that's...not something you probably want to be admitting, Sean.
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I haven't been this sexually aroused by us politics since Romney lost
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Is the president still confident he can get the bill through? *hemming and hawing* Well ... he did everything he could.
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