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Ograbme posted:Threads like these generate a lot of discuasion about the morality of the atomic bombs, but whoever hit that tug should hang imo. As far as I can tell, there were actually two Japanese tugs sunk by enemy action in WWII; the Kasashima, which was sunk off the coast of China on January 25, 1944 by a B-25, and the Nagaura, which was sunk off Papua New Guinea by a destroyer in February of 1944.
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Tugs? Phhht. Child's play. There was a submarine crew that sank a train. http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/USNAVY/USS_Barb.html
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Jobbo_Fett posted:In terms of historical talk or direct references, "closing" the Burma Road is what its referred to when the Japanese control it since it's primarily seen as a supply line to China, and not as a supply line out of it for the Japanese. Japan closes the road by taking any part of it and breaking the supply link Allies can open the road by retaking removing Japanese control of any of the segments Grey has literally walked troops from China all the way to Burma and supply is free to move along the entire road for the glory of the empire! Of course none of the Japanese armies in China or Burma have any supply so it's moot i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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Mar 24, 2017 04:57
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i81icu812 posted:Japan closes the road by taking any part of it and breaking the supply link Actually I am pretty sure the Japanese armies have more than enough Chinese food after Hankow and Chungking
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Grey, are you attacking India with all your troops or sending any of them for a second attempt at Australia once you're done with China?
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Mar 24, 2017 09:49
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RA Rx posted:Grey, are you attacking India with all your troops or sending any of them for a second attempt at Australia once you're done with China? I have no idea, but "Done with China" is a long way away - I've seen reports saying that there are 250,000 troops trapped in the interior....
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Any news out of Chungking?
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Where do you think the quarter million are? They are being held in place by 80,000 of my own men.
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Perhaps some of the bombers struggling in the Pacific could go to Chungking to practice and reduce supply. And Grey, perhaps you could use the Yangtze to get more supplies up there for your own troops? Apologies if you've already maxed it out. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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Mar 24, 2017 16:13
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   Stingray!   The bombers are back.   The fat times are over.  We are getting some legacy kills though!
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Grey Hunter posted:Where do you think the quarter million are? They are being held in place by 80,000 of my own men. Sounds like it's time for a shock attack, crush them for once and for all.
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24 March 1943 Italian destroyer Lanzerotto Malocello, mined north of Cap Bon in a field laid by British minelayer Abdiel. Italian destroyer Ascari—of course—mined while assisting Lanzerotto Malocello. Both ships were carrying German troops to Tunisia.
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:24 March 1943 
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:24 March 1943 Italy is useless. You'd think Germany would have learned from two world wars, but nope, straight into the EEC. Hmmm, Grey is closing in on x2 score. Will you keep playing till 1946 (if possible) if you win? RA Rx fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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Mar 24, 2017 19:29
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:24 March 1943 Did the Italians just not understand the concept of mines or something?
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Did the Italians just not understand the concept of mines or something? What would you have done if 300 people were downing before your eyes 2 miles away? You could see them jump overboard from a listing obviously doomed destroyer. Right. Over. There. Too far to swim. Cold waters of early spring, maybe an hour before the cold gets to them. You could be there in 5 minutes if you took a gamble. Tried to go in in the wake of your sister ship. What do you do?
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Caconym posted:What would you have done if 300 people were downing before your eyes 2 miles away? There are no sharks in the Mediterranean right? They'll be fine. (By the by, you don't always see the mines before you hit them)
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Well, no, that part I understand. It's just that there seems to be a disproportionate number of Italian ships getting sunk by mines.
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The RN had a lot of experience laying minefields and the straits of Sicily are a really good target.
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The Brits got a lot of experience sinking to mines in '39 and '40. Also, when you control half of the Mediterranean it allows for a nice amount of offensive mining.
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Would it be immediately obvious that a ship was mined rather than torpedoed by a sub? Not that stopping to pick dudes up would be any smarter in that case.
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goatface posted:The RN had a lot of experience laying minefields and the straits of Sicily are a really good target. This, yeah. There aren't really any other good options for the Tunisia supply run and it's not easy to leave people to die. The Regia Marina was confronted with a more or less impossible situation.
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JeffersonClay posted:Would it be immediately obvious that a ship was mined rather than torpedoed by a sub? Not that stopping to pick dudes up would be any smarter in that case. No, there was a case in WWI where three British cruisers were sunk by a German sub because they assumed they were in a minefield rather than under attack.
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Just for the hell of it I opened my ledger on allied merchant shipping losses of WW2 Random page, 326 and 327, December 1941, losses: Mines: 8 (Including one probable, though unconfirmed) Subs: 3 Aircraft: 3 2nd Random set of pages, 626 and 627, February 1943: Subs: 13 Last set of Random pages, 778 and 779, November 1944: Mines: 5 Subs: 3 (Including one probable, though unconfirmed) Aircraft: 1 One entry may have been sunk by U-boat, but could be mine.
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BTW Guess which two lucky tankers didn't survive OTL?
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Grey Hunter posted:No, there was a case in WWI where three British cruisers were sunk by a German sub because they assumed they were in a minefield rather than under attack. The fog of water was absolutely brutal in WW1, it was the definitive era where weapons had outstripped information capabilities. If memory serves the vast majority of surface vessels in WW1 had no hydrophones or acoustic sensors at all and for those that did they were simply incapable of detecting small fast moving objects, which is unfortunate when everyone wanted to kill you with torpedoes. The war was almost over before better equipment was put into use but it definitely started the trend of submarine cat and mouse that was so prevalent in WW2. 'What shot at us?!' 'Buggered if I know.'
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RA Rx posted:Hmmm, Grey is closing in on x2 score. Will you keep playing till 1946 (if possible) if you win? 2x score is an autovictory in 1945. He'd have to have 4x the score of the Allies to win in 1943.
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well, then he's clearly just getting ready for then! very easy, no problem.
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Mar 25, 2017 15:59
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  Christmas Island is bombarded again.  Our cruisers are hunting down cargo ships.  As do the carriers.  We do run into CAP range of Port Moresby though.  This loses us some planes.   Balls of Steel.   We bring down a Liberator.  We also sink another troop transport, plus its escort.  We took out some more allied ships, but my plane pools are not looking healthy right now.  It was a nice day though!
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What happened to that massive blob of allied ships you ran across?
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"Steel Scientist"
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Massive explosive damage. Guess they beat the odds and the bomb actually went off rather than passing straight through.
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City of Pretoria, a liberty ship with an escort which was basically a motorboat with a 3'' gun on her.
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A liberty ship full of troops with a motorboat escort.
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goatface posted:A liberty ship full of troops with a motorboat escort. More depressingly that despite all of these losses, lack of carriers and all round hesitant strategies the Allies have still had a more successful campaign then a certain Australian adventure... :P A good number of allied BB's starting to build up in the area as well, which is a worry.
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HannibalBarca posted:"Steel Scientist" Owned by the Isthmian SS Co., which was the shipping lined owned by US Steel. Most of their ships were either named after places that US Steel had mills or were named "Steel X"; Steel Age, Steel Explorer, Steel Engineer, Steel Scientist, Steel Voyager, Steel Trader, Steel Worker, etc. Steel Scientist was actually two ships. The first was sunk off the coast of South America by a U-Boat in 1941. The second was built as a troopship under the name "Sea Owl" in 1944, and served until the end of the war, and then sold to Isthmian SS Co. in 1947. They renamed it Steel Scientist, and it was in service as a cargo ship until 1971, when it was sold to Taiwan, which, at the time, was the center of the ship scrapping industry. (Stricter environmental and worker safety laws starting in the late 80s have since killed Taiwan's ship scrapping industry, and the current largest shipbreakers are in Bangladesh.) I have absoultely no idea why the ship is there, though, because the first ship is sunk at this point, and the second ship not built yet (and not the Steel Scientist yet, either.)
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Epicurius posted:Owned by the Isthmian SS Co., which was the shipping lined owned by US Steel. Most of their ships were either named after places that US Steel had mills or were named "Steel X"; Steel Age, Steel Explorer, Steel Engineer, Steel Scientist, Steel Voyager, Steel Trader, Steel Worker, etc. Steel Scientist was actually two ships. The first was sunk off the coast of South America by a U-Boat on October 12, 1942.
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Exactly. So I have no idea what this ship is.
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It'll be the first one, assumed to have not been sunk by the uboat because that happened during game time while the ship was available to be controlled.
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gradenko_2000 posted:2x score is an autovictory in 1945. He'd have to have 4x the score of the Allies to win in 1943. What Tiler Kiwi said, there's no ship respawn anymore and the Soviets don't attack until August 1945, so Grey just needs to strive a bit further forwards on China and shipping points and keep an even keel on fleet battles for two years! Seriously though, if he sinks 4/5 Essexes while loosing no more than two fleet carriers I'll bet a platinum account funding or a few avatar pics on his game victory (x2 victory or 1946/third nuke survival). Given that the AI might very well end up pitching 2 Essexes and a few BBs and CAs a time against the combined might of the Kido and Kiddo Butai, that could very well happen. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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