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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Dexo posted:

80 percent of the people who play this game are probably gonna romance one of those two characters as a male Ryder.

:confused:

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Obsurveyor
Jan 10, 2003


Perhaps "Armor" and "Strix" are the names of two characters in Mass Effect: Andromeda. Or male Ryder is a straight up technophiliac, banging video cards off-duty.

Peanut3141
Oct 30, 2009

A refugee from the Mass Effect Andromeda thread. He's gone on his Pilgrimage looking for the animation quality. Makes sense to end up in a GPU thread.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Peanut3141 posted:

A refugee from the Mass Effect Andromeda thread. He's gone on his Pilgrimage looking for the animation quality. Makes sense to end up in a GPU thread.

This makes sense...

Obsurveyor posted:

Perhaps "Armor" and "Strix" are the names of two characters in Mass Effect: Andromeda. Or male Ryder is a straight up technophiliac, banging video cards off-duty.

But I like this explanation better. A literal GPU fetish would be amazing.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
pornhub.com/videos/steaming-hot-pcbs-hd

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE

Regrettable posted:

I've been looking at an MSI Armor 1080 as well and I've had a difficult time finding reviews from a site I trust. The closest I could find was a 1070 Armor review that makes temperatures seem pretty decent. Are the temps roughly the same for 1080s as 1070s?

ish. The 1080 is like another 25 or 30 watts hotter than the 1070 but it's not like a world of difference, if the cooler was insufficient it would be making GBS threads itself on the 1070s too

Overall the MSI Armor are actually one of the better buys this generation since basically all aftermarket cards perform similarly apart from the crazy premium versions with super VRMs and binning and poo poo (which might get an extra 5%). If you are the kind of person who buys whatever EVGA's entry-level open-cooler ACX unit is - this is MSI's version of that card.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
Woops I meant Asus lol

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
Glad EVGA auto registers your icx upgrade so I can register for 1080ti step up before I even take delivery of my 1080 icx

woodsta
Jun 17, 2007
Heads up anyone looking for a non-blower 1080ti. The MSI Armor is in stock at Newegg: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137111

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Tenacious J posted:

I've recently realized that I care much more for performance (fps) over graphics quality (resolution). I was told that going with a 144hz monitor is "amazing" and "you'll never go back". I'm totally ok with 1080p, so what card would I need to drive a 144hz rig? Is a 1080 overkill?

Depends what games you're playing and if you NEED NEED NEED to have everything at ultra or not. If you do, there is no such this as overkill. For example, TW3 set to Ultra (minus hairworks because gently caress even the 1080Ti chokes with that bullshit) at 1080p runs in the low 80FPS range on a 1070, the low 100FPS range on a 1080, and 125ish on a 1080Ti. So even at 1080p there's still room for improvement on a 144Hz monitor.

That said, if you're not anal about having all the sliders shoved as far to the right as humanly possible all the time, you can probably get 100+ FPS out of most games with a 1070, which would thereby seem to be the best bang for your buck.

eggyolk
Nov 8, 2007


Snapped up one of those MSI Armor 1080Ti's. Thanks for the heads up.

The 1070 just isn't fast enough to maintain 90fps in most VR games which results in a lot of sick friends not wanting to play, so the extra head room should help a lot.

Ak Gara
Jul 29, 2005

That's just the way he rolls.
Really with triple AAA games and/or ones with bad optimization, plus Sparse Grid Super Sampling Anti Aliasing, or even just DSR to draw the game at 4K then shrink down to 1080p, a 1ms 144hz 1080p monitor is not gonna be maxed out anytime soon. At all.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

woodsta posted:

Heads up anyone looking for a non-blower 1080ti. The MSI Armor is in stock at Newegg: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137111
that's a photoshopped 1080 box so not sure I'd want to buy it

Tenacious J posted:

I've recently realized that I care much more for performance (fps) over graphics quality (resolution). I was told that going with a 144hz monitor is "amazing" and "you'll never go back". I'm totally ok with 1080p, so what card would I need to drive a 144hz rig? Is a 1080 overkill?
1080 ti


(i'm actually most likely upgrading to a 1080 ti for this exact scenario; my 980 ti isn't strong enough to hit 144 on some titles like titanfall 2)

sauer kraut
Oct 2, 2004
A decent G-Sync monitor that covers the range of say 40-100 or 48-120fps is much better than chasing a 'locked' 144 by brute force.
Any open air 1070 or 1080 will do just fine.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
G-Sync is the morally incorrect choice

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Malloc Voidstar posted:

G-Sync is the morally incorrect choice

How is it any worse than spending up big on a 1080TI?

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
Some Vega poo poo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_JizmoKdKc

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

sauer kraut posted:

A decent G-Sync monitor that covers the range of say 40-100 or 48-120fps is much better than chasing a 'locked' 144 by brute force.
Any open air 1070 or 1080 will do just fine.

Every GSync monitor is full range (1-maxHZ), it is worth clarifying.

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




Don't poo poo talk G-sync until you live G-sync. It is honestly better than Freesync in every way, the only reason people may not like it is because of price.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
The other reason to dislike it is that it's Nvidia exclusive and they refuse to support the open standard of Adaptive-Sync
Supporting G-Sync is immoral


Also AFAIK it's only actually better at low framerates, which is dealt with by using the price premium to buy a better GPU (unfortunately AMD has no good high end GPUs)

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011
"Nvidia exclusive" these days means "compatible with the majority of systems" and will remain that way until (lol) AMD gets its poo poo together, sorry bud

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

From my early XB271HU impressions, ULMB is way way cooler than GSync if the situation is perfect but is much more of a hassle. I wish I could have ULMB on the desktop at 120Hz and GSync in games at 165Hz but the config is really finicky and I've not quite figured it out yet.

The GSync module doing ULMB (at least with >120Hz screens) is a super underrated feature.

I just need to figure out if the bleed in the bottom right corner is enough for me to go to the hassle of getting it swapped. It is pretty minor but I feel it should be perfect for the price. December 2016 model, for reference.

Malloc Voidstar posted:

The other reason to dislike it is that it's Nvidia exclusive and they refuse to support the open standard of Adaptive-Sync
Supporting G-Sync is immoral


Also AFAIK it's only actually better at low framerates, which is dealt with by using the price premium to buy a better GPU (unfortunately AMD has no good high end GPUs)

How the gently caress can buying a monitor be construed as immoral. There is nothing inherently immoral about proprietary products

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Malloc Voidstar posted:

The other reason to dislike it is that it's Nvidia exclusive and they refuse to support the open standard of Adaptive-Sync
Supporting G-Sync is immoral


Also AFAIK it's only actually better at low framerates, which is dealt with by using the price premium to buy a better GPU (unfortunately AMD has no good high end GPUs)

If Vega's comparable with a 1080, and the price is good enough, I'll sell this 1080 and pick up a cheaper freesync display.

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006

BurritoJustice posted:

How the gently caress can buying a monitor be construed as immoral. There is nothing inherently immoral about proprietary products

Simple:

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
Wooops

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




The marketing for AMD cards, Freesync and now Ryzen is very strange to me. First we have RX480s which are top end except the Fury, but can't really do higher res's than 1080p that well. Next you have Freesync that doesn't cover as big of a range as G-sync specifically at the bottom end. Now you have Ryzen which AMD says is good for gaming but only at higher than 1080p, but what they really mean is it's more or less bad for gaming versus the competition so let's shift to metrics that look better when we bottleneck the graphics card.

Basically they have a poorly aligned product stack. AMD card users are most likely to be under than 45hz Freesync threshold because they don't make top end cards. Now they're basically telling you to buy a Ryzen processor but use an NVidia card for resolutions 1440p and up. They really like the idea of an all AMD computer, as you can see with their foray into rebranded RAM and SSDs but no one should be buying an all AMD computer because their products are misaligned.

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

VulgarandStupid posted:

The marketing for AMD cards, Freesync and now Ryzen is very strange to me. First we have RX480s which are top end except the Fury, but can't really do higher res's than 1080p that well. Next you have Freesync that doesn't cover as big of a range as G-sync specifically at the bottom end. Now you have Ryzen which AMD says is good for gaming but only at higher than 1080p, but what they really mean is it's more or less bad for gaming versus the competition so let's shift to metrics that look better when we bottleneck the graphics card.

Basically they have a poorly aligned product stack. AMD card users are most likely to be under than 45hz Freesync threshold because they don't make top end cards. Now they're basically telling you to buy a Ryzen processor but use an NVidia card for resolutions 1440p and up. They really like the idea of an all AMD computer, as you can see with their foray into rebranded RAM and SSDs but no one should be buying an all AMD computer because their products are misaligned.

I saddens me a little everytime I see an 1800x+RX480 build for gaming on r/AMD

Seamonster
Apr 30, 2007

IMMER SIEGREICH
Those guys are going to be lucky to get $100 for their rx480s when vega comes out. The glut on the used market will be incredible.

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION



VulgarandStupid posted:

Don't poo poo talk G-sync until you live G-sync. It is honestly better than Freesync in every way, the only reason people may not like it is because of price.

Not better in price! :haw:

(Once Vega is out, for most users, Freesync might become the better choice solely because G-sync is so expensive relative to an equivalent size/resolution Freesync monitor).

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
Yeah right now there's really no good amd card out to drive a high end monitor.

Once vega is out, you'll however, for the same grand total get either a 1070+gsync or a 1080 equivalent (according to rumours it won't be better than 1080, but roughly on par)+freesync.

I know which I'd go for.

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




Truga posted:

Yeah right now there's really no good amd card out to drive a high end monitor.

Once vega is out, you'll however, for the same grand total get either a 1070+gsync or a 1080 equivalent (according to rumours it won't be better than 1080, but roughly on par)+freesync.

I know which I'd go for.

It's pretty easy to make future decisions when you keep moving the goal posts. The 10-series came out 10 months ago and the RX4 series came out 5 months ago. Vega will be out in maybe up to 5 months, and I think nvidia can put out another product by then. I don't know, I don't mind waiting for the next thing, but it's also horrible to live in the world of "maybe tomorrow". I've had my X34 for over a year and have loved every minute of it.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
Which is why I said right now there's no good amd card out to drive a high end monitor. If you want one, buy gsync :shrug:

I don't see the gsync premium price changing though.

mmkay
Oct 21, 2010

Malloc Voidstar posted:

Supporting G-Sync is immoral

At least provide a link when you're quoting reddit.

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

Truga posted:

Which is why I said right now there's no good amd card out to drive a high end monitor. If you want one, buy gsync :shrug:

I don't see the gsync premium price changing though.

Maybe if they spin out a chip and stop using a comically over-specced FPGA

wargames
Mar 16, 2008

official yospos cat censor

Seamonster posted:

Those guys are going to be lucky to get $100 for their rx480s when vega comes out. The glut on the used market will be incredible.

i am interested in seeing how the market pans outs and how much vega cost because I'd be willing to upgrade from a 380x to something better if the price for vega is right.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)

wargames posted:

i am interested in seeing how the market pans outs and how much vega cost because I'd be willing to upgrade from a 380x to something better if the price for vega is right.

It will definitely have to be right , I don't think anybody doubts AMDs willingness through grit teeth to price cards where they have to be

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Seamonster posted:

Those guys are going to be lucky to get $100 for their rx480s when vega comes out. The glut on the used market will be incredible.

Nothing new though, AMD has been running their GPU business aimed at Pyrrhic pricing victories against NV for years already.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

There is this on Vega: http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega/

WCCFTech salt now not later etc.

500sqmm seems kinda big for 1080 performance? Although GTX 1080 comes in at 471 so maybe not.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

NewFatMike posted:

500sqmm seems kinda big for 1080 performance? Although GTX 1080 comes in at 471 so maybe not.

The 1080 is only 314mm², it's the 1080ti that's 471mm².

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NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Oyyyyyyyyy

C'mon, AMD :(

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