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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The US occupiers certainly figured the Nazis were good while they tried to set up our West German puppet government. Ace of Baes posted:Pro-DPRK ppl are dumbasses, is there anti-DPRK propaganda spread by the US and SK gov constantly? Yes. Is NK so hosed because of US scorched Earth policy during the Korean and trade isolation afterwards? Yes.
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resar posted:Conservative sausage man is mad at commies because his dad was a hippy beatnik. Yes, I don't like totalitarians starving children because my dad was a hippy.
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The only thing DPRK apologists are good at is being a caricature of leftists that libs and conservatives can point to when they argue against Socialism/Marxism/Communism.
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Ace of Baes posted:The only thing DPRK apologists are good at is being a caricature of leftists that libs and conservatives can point to when they argue against Socialism/Marxism/Communism. Also see: L-M's and a large chunk of Anarchists.
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Ace of Baes posted:The only thing DPRK apologists are good at is being a caricature of leftists that libs and conservatives can point to when they argue against Socialism/Marxism/Communism. And Borneo Jimmy is their spirit animal
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 02:23 |
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gobbagool posted:And Borneo Jimmy is their spirit animal Pretty good song imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Wy6beOqSM Also what is with your oddly specific daddy issues? The_Politics_Man has issued a correction as of 03:15 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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Ace of Baes posted:From the first page of the thread. Nobody is disputing any of that, lmao. gobbagool posted:Yes, I don't like totalitarians starving children because my dad was a hippy. Is that why you think it's ok for the US to starve children? It's honestly infuriating to see people claim that criticism of US policy for worsening the situation in Korea is some form of apologia. The point is that we're Americans and not Koreans. It's our government that's doing everything it can to make it worse, but the general response is to say it's ok to starve their whole country because they shouldn't have nuclear weapons. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 03:23 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:
We send north korear food all the time as tribute.
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 03:22 |
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spacetoaster posted:We send north korear food all the time as tribute. quote:http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/report-sanctions-disrupt-humanitarian-aid-north-korea-46340596 The notion that a militarized garrison state like North Korea will somehow collapse if we cut off the flow of food to it is insane. They're just going to keep rationing subsistence calories to the masses, and those masses are never going to rise up and overthrow their government or do anything of the sort because they're probably too malnourished to even lift a rifle. It's punishing a whole people for the actions of a government which we claim is tyrannical, which is by definition a collective punishment. Doing this only reinforces their siege mentality and gives the North Korean government a claim to legitimacy in resisting the American imperialists. That's part of why they call the 90s famine the "arduous march." Their entire culture is militarized.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The notion that a militarized garrison state like North Korea will somehow collapse if we cut off the flow of food to it is insane. They're just going to keep rationing subsistence calories to the masses, and those masses are never going to rise up and overthrow their government or do anything of the sort because they're probably too malnourished to even lift a rifle. It's punishing a whole people for the actions of a government which we claim is tyrannical, which is by definition a collective punishment. Doing this only reinforces their siege mentality and gives the North Korean government a claim to legitimacy in resisting the American imperialists. That's part of why they call the 90s famine the "arduous march." Their entire culture is militarized. So you're saying it's time for a "regime change"? I was in the invasion of Iraq in 03 and it was pretty boss.
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spacetoaster posted:So you're saying it's time for a "regime change"? How did regime change in Iraq turn out?
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spacetoaster posted:So you're saying it's time for a "regime change"? If there's ever going to be a regime change it needs to be a domestic process, because illegitimate means will either reinforce the power of the Juche state, or you invade the country and get over a million people killed, which ultimately defeats the purpose. When the people are no longer hungry, then they can start thinking about a life beyond Juche. The global community should be sending as much food as it can, not allow the United States to continue tightening the noose.
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resar posted:How did regime change in Iraq turn out? Looks like it sucks. Not my problem though. Got a medal. Pener Kropoopkin posted:If there's ever going to be a regime change it needs to be a domestic process, because illegitimate means will either reinforce the power of the Juche state, or you invade the country and get over a million people killed, which ultimately defeats the purpose. You act as though an invasion would be about the people of north korea and not because they're doubling the number of nukes they have and are increasing the range of their missile capability yearly. Heck, an invasion might not even involve the U.S. if they piss off/scare China/Russia/Japan enough.
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spacetoaster posted:You act as though an invasion would be about the people of north korea and not because they're doubling the number of nukes they have and are increasing the range of their missile capability yearly. Why would Russia and China care about NK having nukes? China uses NK as a buffer because they don't want an American ally on their border and Russia loves that NK periodically riles up the US drawing their focus from whatever Russia is doing that week. ed: I forgot to add that absolutly no one wants to deal with the insane amount of ballistic missiles, chemical weapons and conventional artillery NK has pointed SK or the hordes of refugees in both NK and SK a war would cause. The_Politics_Man has issued a correction as of 04:10 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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DPRK withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so totes legal imo
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resar posted:Why would Russia and China care about NK having nukes? China uses NK as a buffer because they don't want an American ally on their border and Russia loves that NK periodically riles up the US drawing their focus from whatever Russia is doing that week. I don't think it's all roses between north korea and china. China got right on board with U.N. sanctions and I'm pretty sure they don't like the north koreans kidnapping their people and ransoming them back. Russia also supported those sanctions against north korea. So I wouldn't be going as far as saying russia and china don't care about north korea's nukes. Man Musk posted:DPRK withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so totes legal imo Good point.
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dprk isn't starving and hasn't been since the 90s http://apjjf.org/2014/12/18/Henri-Feron/4113/article.html
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 04:54 |
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Its wrong to place sanctions on a fascist dictatorship who routinely threatens unleash a nuclear holocaust on all its neighbors
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 05:45 |
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Setting aside all the other reasons we've gone over, sanctions just don't work.
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 05:47 |
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I hate to be someone who says the truth is in the middle, but the truth probably is in the middle since the endpoints are "the US can do no wrong" and "anyone opposing the US can do no wrong."
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I hate to be someone who says the truth is in the middle, but the truth probably is in the middle since the endpoints are "the US can do no wrong" and "anyone opposing the US can do no wrong." Nobody is arguing the former. This is just a honeypot thread for tankies who support death camps
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Bro Dad posted:Nobody is arguing the former. This is just a honeypot thread for tankies who support death camps No one in this thread, but people who believe that definitely exist.
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Bro Dad posted:Its wrong to place sanctions on a fascist dictatorship who routinely threatens unleash a nuclear holocaust on all its neighbors it is wrong to starve the people of a country because of the way their totalitarian government responds to our intense military provocation of them that we still do after slaughtering like a third of their population during the war.
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 06:52 |
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Wow in this relationship between the most powerful country in the world and a pariah state these people are criticizing the country with all the power??? Crazy poo poo
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 06:53 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 07:14 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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has anyone said gin and juche yet?
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Fiction posted:it is wrong to starve the people of a country because of the way their totalitarian government responds to our intense military provocation of them that we still do after slaughtering like a third of their population during the war. *in a nasally insufferable dork voice* "actually" R. Guyovich posted:dprk isn't starving and hasn't been since the 90s
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Fallen Hamprince posted:*in a nasally insufferable dork voice* "actually" hosed up that you talk about yourself like that.
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R. Guyovich posted:dprk isn't starving and hasn't been since the 90s you suck
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Ace of Baes posted:If you think about it, Hitler was good, because the US is bad. drat dude you really earned that DSA gang tag if you catch my drift lol
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 10:48 |
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this heavily sourced article i didn't bother to read is dumb and total bullshit. the seth rogen movie the interview, on the other hand....
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R. Guyovich posted:this heavily sourced article i didn't bother to read is dumb and total bullshit. the seth rogen movie the interview, on the other hand.... Have you ever been to Korea?
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 17:36 |
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Maybe more than one country can be bad a time?
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420 Gank Mid posted:Maybe more than one country can be bad a time? nationalism and patriotism are inherently reactionary ideologies, so this is the correct take because all countries are bad
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*sneers into mic* countries. *audience boos and hisses*
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# ? Mar 25, 2017 22:48 |
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we're three posts from defending the Khmer rouge
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logikv9 posted:we're three posts from defending the Khmer rouge i think you'll find they had the right idea about the out of touch urban elites
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# ? Mar 26, 2017 03:09 |
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Send the front row kids into the fields
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there wouldn't have been a Pol Pot without the french education system if you think about it
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"demographics are destiny" -- pol pot, probably
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