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Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm not a white supremacist I just think that nonwhite races mixing into the white race would be bad. Not the same thing!

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Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Vice President Steve Bannon posted:

I'm not a white supremacist I just think that nonwhite races mixing into the white race would be bad. Not the same thing!

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

17 minutes to say the internet ruined her life, well out of proportion to the offense she committed?

yes, commensurate to the jontron situation where a poor man who just shared his opinion freely is having his life ruined by "screeching socialist justice" types. you can see much of the slander against jon in this thread even.

Applewhite posted:

The words come from the same root, which is the Latin "fasces" which describes a bundle of sticks bound together to become stronger as a whole than they are individually.

Technically technically TECHNICALLY!!!!!!!

"Fascism" is a very ill-defined and often misascribed concept, but at it's most stripped down and basic core it's just a form of militaristic socialism that does not inherently include a racial component. All military and police organizations are "fascist" in structure to some extent, even if they don't have hegemonizing fascist goals. It would be hypothetically possible for someone to be a "fascist" without being a racist or even violent person.

However, that's not how it's used in the colloquial vocabulary, and due to recent modern historical events, "fascist" and "Nazi" are often used interchangeably even if they did not originally start out that way. I don't generally make the distinction between the two but if we're discussing the topic academically -as opposed to conversationally- I will point out the difference.

So, if you want to get technical, "fascist" is an inaccurate way to describe JonTron. It is much more accurate o say he is a Nazi or holds Nazi-like racial beliefs. If you really want to avoid any pedantic objections, he is a "racist piece of poo poo."

I like how interesting and intelligent and factual posts like above are made by those who don't stand for the social justice atrocity crowd. GBS is really lost its way

pc lithman
Oct 6, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug
"furthermore your honor my client is accused of shouting 'seig heil' but seeing that nobody here has a phd in germanology how can we ever be sure what my client was really trying to communicate :smug:

"oh he was seen making a uh as you say :airquote: nazi salute :airquote: yes? well thats just applying a mean label, he may have been pointing at something in the sky, and also how would anyone know what a :airquote: nazi salute :airquote: looks like if theyre not nazis themselves :smug: :smug: "

curse of flubber
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

I ALSO HAVE A CLOUD OF DEDICATED IDIOTS FOLLOWING ME SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD I POST IN

IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP

The Landstander posted:

Oh I agree, I just wanted to toss that in since I like the talk and Sacco had come up in thread.

So for the record, JonTron absolutely dug his own grave on this one. Particularly the broader concept that Mexicans coming to the country will destroy "our culture" was pretty bigoted and completely at odds with American history (and complete with creepy laughter). It's also really weird to risk your career on something you don't seem to be that well-informed about (and I'm morbidly curious how this impacts his career).

I think he's just fallen into his beliefs based on his friend's beliefs, but they are so gung-ho about it that he tries to emulate them while not being super up to snuff on the latest white supremacy nonsense.

He's friends with that whole sleepycabin crew, one of which is a famous pedophile child porn artist who draws cartoon porn of real life 11 year old youtube celebrities. I'm really surprised that hasn't come back to haunt anyone, especially since they did a whole podcast episode empathizing with the child porn dude for getting kicked out of school for drawing child porn.

pc lithman posted:

"furthermore your honor my client is accused of shouting 'seig heil' but seeing that nobody here has a phd in germanology how can we ever be sure what my client was really trying to communicate :smug:

"oh he was seen making a uh as you say :airquote: nazi salute :airquote: yes? well thats just applying a mean label, he may have been pointing at something in the sky, and also how would anyone know what a :airquote: nazi salute :airquote: looks like if theyre not nazis themselves :smug: :smug: "


This reminds me of every time a racist has tried to pretend that Richard Spencer wasn't a Nazi.

curse of flubber fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Mar 25, 2017

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Fututor Magnus posted:

yes, commensurate to the jontron situation where a poor man who just shared his opinion freely is having his life ruined by "screeching socialist justice" types. you can see much of the slander against jon in this thread even.

"Having his life ruined" :lol::lol::lol::lol:

curse of flubber
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

I ALSO HAVE A CLOUD OF DEDICATED IDIOTS FOLLOWING ME SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD I POST IN

IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP
He got a small dip in subscribers from people who don't like to follow racists after he outed himself as a racist.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Megaspel posted:

He got a small dip in subscribers from people who don't like to follow racists after he outed himself as a racist.

Which means that apparently 3 million plus people don't care one way or the other.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Which means that apparently 3 million plus people don't care one way or the other.

maybe being part of social justice fighter mob is not the normal state of affair and everyday decent people wouldn't even think to denigrate someone based on mere difference of opinion

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Fututor Magnus posted:

maybe being part of social justice fighter mob is not the normal state of affair and everyday decent people wouldn't even think to denigrate someone based on mere difference of opinion

I pray that you are right.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Fututor Magnus posted:

maybe being part of social justice fighter mob is not the normal state of affair and everyday decent people wouldn't even think to denigrate someone based on mere difference of opinion

"Non-whites shouldn't be allowed to foul pure and holy white bloodlines" = just an opinion

pc lithman
Oct 6, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

Fututor Magnus posted:

everyday decent people wouldn't even think to denigrate someone based on mere difference of opinion
yea people should only be denigrated based on skin color

curse of flubber
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

I ALSO HAVE A CLOUD OF DEDICATED IDIOTS FOLLOWING ME SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD I POST IN

IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP
8-Bit Scholar and Fututor Magnus suck each other off: the thread

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Which means that apparently 3 million plus people don't care one way or the other.
Or they haven't heard about this poo poo, or a lot of those accounts are abandoned, or a million other things beyond what you want the reason to be.


Fututor Magnus posted:

maybe being part of social justice fighter mob is not the normal state of affair and everyday decent people wouldn't even think to denigrate someone based on mere difference of opinion

I always find it funny how people racist defenders try to negate racism by simplifying it to "it's just words" "it's just ideas" "they just have a slight difference of opinion that all black people are inferior to white people and should be forcibly removed from my country that I own"

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Megaspel posted:

Or they haven't heard about this poo poo, or a lot of those accounts are abandoned, or a million other things beyond what you want the reason to be.

Uh...this is a really odd reaction to that statement. What do you think the reason I want it to be is? That people don't care?

quote:

I always find it funny how people racist defenders try to negate racism by simplifying it to "it's just words" "it's just ideas" "they just have a slight difference of opinion that all black people are inferior to white people and should be forcibly removed from my country that I own"

I mean, some people believe that drug users deserve death or they believe that a zombie can absolve them of sin if they dip their heads in water dishes or that we should nuke Iran or any thousands of other horrifying things that people seem readily capable of believing. I've had people tell me that God created AIDS to punish homosexuals, I've had people equate bigotry to pedophilia, I have spoken to fascists and communists and anarchists...I mean, I've heard thousands of alarming points of view that I don't agree with basically since the day I was born. If I flipped my poo poo every time somebody expressed a sentiment I found distasteful, I'd be a social pariah. At some point I found that if I stopped trying to impose my point of view on other people, and started listening to their points of view, they appreciated the effort and respected my viewpoint more for it.

Like, if it isn't JUST words, then what is it, exactly?

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Uh...this is a really odd reaction to that statement. What do you think the reason I want it to be is? That people don't care?


I mean, some people believe that drug users deserve death or they believe that a zombie can absolve them of sin if they dip their heads in water dishes or that we should nuke Iran or any thousands of other horrifying things that people seem readily capable of believing. I've had people tell me that God created AIDS to punish homosexuals, I've had people equate bigotry to pedophilia, I have spoken to fascists and communists and anarchists...I mean, I've heard thousands of alarming points of view that I don't agree with basically since the day I was born. If I flipped my poo poo every time somebody expressed a sentiment I found distasteful, I'd be a social pariah. At some point I found that if I stopped trying to impose my point of view on other people, and started listening to their points of view, they appreciated the effort and respected my viewpoint more for it.

Like, if it isn't JUST words, then what is it, exactly?

My dude, you're probably already a social pariah, because you're extremely dumb.

curse of flubber
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

I ALSO HAVE A CLOUD OF DEDICATED IDIOTS FOLLOWING ME SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD I POST IN

IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP

8-Bit Scholar posted:

I mean, some people believe that drug users deserve death or they believe that a zombie can absolve them of sin if they dip their heads in water dishes or that we should nuke Iran or any thousands of other horrifying things that people seem readily capable of believing. I've had people tell me that God created AIDS to punish homosexuals, I've had people equate bigotry to pedophilia, I have spoken to fascists and communists and anarchists...I mean, I've heard thousands of alarming points of view that I don't agree with basically since the day I was born. If I flipped my poo poo every time somebody expressed a sentiment I found distasteful, I'd be a social pariah. At some point I found that if I stopped trying to impose my point of view on other people, and started listening to their points of view, they appreciated the effort and respected my viewpoint more for it.

Like, if it isn't JUST words, then what is it, exactly?

Ah, so now you think words are meaningful.

Also lol at this:

quote:

...I stopped trying to impose my point of view on other people, and started listening to their points of view...

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
And if you're not, it's because lots of other people are also extremely dumb and they have accepted you as one of their own.

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
I, too, refuse to call racists racist because they might not like me afterwards.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Most people can't be expected to even be conscious of their beliefs, much less examine them or act on them, but by holding latent beliefs that are aligned with those of active, agitated bigots, they enable and normalize them, and should not therefore be treated as totally benign. And that is not going into the damage unconscious bigotry does to people through casual discrimination and upholding the charged status quo.

So yeah, it's just words / thoughts is hardly a defense.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Mar 26, 2017

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

8-Bit Scholar posted:

At some point I found that if I stopped trying to impose my point of view on other people, and started listening to their points of view, they appreciated the effort and respected my viewpoint more for it.

So when are you going to start listening to us instead of imposing your dipshit views that racism is completely harmless?

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
Hey if 3 million other people don't care that he's racist, why should I?

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

steinrokkan posted:

Most people can't be expected to even be conscious of their beliefs, much less examine them or act on them, but by holding latent beliefs that are aligned with those of active, agitated bigots, they enable and normalize them, and should not therefore be treated as totally benign.

So because people can't be expected to be conscious of their beliefs, they should still be held responsible for expressing them?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

8-Bit Scholar posted:

So because people can't be expected to be conscious of their beliefs, they should still be held responsible for expressing them?

I'm against punishing people, but I'm in favor of trying to sway them even if they find it unpleasant at first. How to do so is the hard question.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

8-Bit Scholar posted:

So because people can't be expected to be conscious of their beliefs, they should still be held responsible for expressing them?

You are responsible for the things you do and say, yes. Aren't you all about "personal responsibility"?

pc lithman
Oct 6, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

8-Bit Scholar posted:

my friends call me merry-go-round, i go in circles all day long
more like hateful-go-round

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Waterbed Wendy posted:

Does anyone watch H3h3 anymore? I used to back before they became very boring and I know they have a relationship with JonTron which is apparent in a few videos such as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHp-ZEst4NE

Since H3h3 put almost 100% of their lives on camera, do you think they will or should put out a video in regards to the controversy surrounding their friend?

I predict they say nothing and no longer include JT in any of their videos.Though I wish they would say something mostly because I wonder how Hila, an immigrant from Israel, feels about her friend's opinions on the protection of the White Identity and how that apparently means no refugees or immigrants from that and other regions of the world.

I can't help but feel that it would be poor business sense to ignore this controversy because if they made a video about it it would be hugely popular but only if they make that video soon. On the other hand, Jonnyboy is apparently a friend so making a video might lead to the end of that friendship.

Sadly h3h3 got on the alt-right train a while ago, they are right there with him on stuff like this.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Glazier posted:

Sadly h3h3 got on the alt-right train a while ago, they are right there with him on stuff like this.

Hm, I remember how they did the typical alt right thing of yelling at a youtuber for half an hour for being racist and pro Trump. Typical Nazi Jews.

Everybody who once said something I disagree with is now entirely subsumed into the great Pepe collective, because it's much easier for me to compartmentalize the world like this instead of having to deal with nuance.

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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Fututor Magnus posted:

yes, commensurate to the jontron situation where a poor man who just shared his opinion freely is having his life ruined by "screeching socialist justice" types. you can see much of the slander against jon in this thread even.


I like how interesting and intelligent and factual posts like above are made by those who don't stand for the social justice atrocity crowd. GBS is really lost its way

Yea but he's fine?

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

steinrokkan posted:

I'm against punishing people, but I'm in favor of trying to sway them even if they find it unpleasant at first. How to do so is the hard question.

Well, it's not happening the way it's been done. I personally am of the opinion that racism and bigotry has become worsened by the efforts of what people call social justice warriors precisely because it's been perceived as this vicious, bullying, punitive experience. I think people voted for Trump out of spite, by and large, and I think that spite has only served to embolden bigots within the country.

I've always felt that words do not equate to action. Words are powerful, sure, but they aren't actions. An action can cause real harm to a person. Words, by and large, do not.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Well, it's not happening the way it's been done. I personally am of the opinion that racism and bigotry has become worsened by the efforts of what people call social justice warriors precisely because it's been perceived as this vicious, bullying, punitive experience. I think people voted for Trump out of spite, by and large, and I think that spite has only served to embolden bigots within the country.

I've always felt that words do not equate to action. Words are powerful, sure, but they aren't actions. An action can cause real harm to a person. Words, by and large, do not.

So words caused people to vote for Trump, but words are meaningless and can't make you do things.

You're a loving retard who can barely complete a sentence without contradicting yourself.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

steinrokkan posted:

Hm, I remember how they did the typical alt right thing of yelling at a youtuber for half an hour for being racist and pro Trump. Typical Nazi Jews.

Everybody who once said something I disagree with is now entirely subsumed into the great Pepe collective, because it's much easier for me to compartmentalize the world like this instead of having to deal with nuance.

gently caress off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNSiFrS3n4

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Mar 26, 2017

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Much of current "activism" is done in the fine liberal tradition of only engaging in issues to build a personal brand and a reputation for oneself instead of supporting the afflicted. As such it is designed to be combative and visible, rather than effective, and really intended to impress peers in the activist circles instead of causing a positive change. Real work is being done elsewhere.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Mar 26, 2017

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

This video doesn't work. Which one is it, the one where they dare mock the artificially stirred PDP affair?

pc lithman
Oct 6, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug
yesterday i had a run in with one of those social justice fighter mobs, i can tell you i havent been so scared in my life!!

i was walking down the street minding my own business when all of a sudden i found myself surrounded. to my horror they started to take a fighting stance and hurled mutual respect to me! luckily i could dodge that one and deflected it with my pepe shield (manufactured by disgusting brown fingers, but sold through a white company so i think im ok) but it was super ineffectful - turns out words are completely harmless! gently caress!!

yea well that pissed them off and they upped the respect even more! they closed in on me and some straightened my shirt, others patted me on the back going "there there", i thought i was surely done for. but i managed to crawl to safety through the wage gap and while i made my escape i heard one of them shout "have a nice day".

im still shaken, they should really do something about those drat sjws! they ruined my life!!

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

steinrokkan posted:

This video doesn't work. Which one is it, the one where they dare mock the artificially stirred PDP affair?

Sorry I fixed it, yes it is the one where they defend a man who paid people to write "Death to all Jews" and then broadcast it.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

steinrokkan posted:

This video doesn't work. Which one is it, the one where they dare mock the artificially stirred PDP affair?

social justice fighters don't understand what it means to joke and to actual political advocacy for beyond overton windows views like genocide.

maybe it's a bad thing if someone's livelihood is undermined because social justice fighters didn't understand or like a simple joke they made

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
It's an even worse thing when someone's life is undermined because of the colour of their skin

pc lithman
Oct 6, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug
PC LITHMAN: Where did you stay when you lived at home? Where did you live? Where did you sleep?

FUTUTOR MAGNUS: Potty chair.

PC LITHMAN: You slept in the potty chair?

FUTUTOR MAGNUS: Mmm-hmm. Potty chair.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Fututor Magnus posted:

social justice fighters don't understand what it means to joke and to actual political advocacy for beyond overton windows views like genocide.

maybe it's a bad thing if someone's livelihood is undermined because social justice fighters didn't understand or like a simple joke they made

PDP is a multi-millionaire, it's literally impossible to ever undermine his livelihood.

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sugar free jazz
Mar 5, 2008

Fututor Magnus posted:

social justice fighters don't understand what it means to joke and to actual political advocacy for beyond overton windows views like genocide.

maybe it's a bad thing if someone's livelihood is undermined because social justice fighters didn't understand or like a simple joke they made

i dont understand what these words mean

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