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Euron came right out and said he killed the king on the show. Brienne has said she killed Stannis. Ramsay killed his dad in front of everyone (he did pay for it though). The Sand Snakes killed their king. Cersei blew up basically every royal and religious figure in KL.
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The rule in the TV show is that if you kill the king then you become the new king.
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Mar 25, 2017 18:34
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Solice Kirsk posted:Euron came right out and said he killed the king on the show. Brienne has said she killed Stannis. Ramsay killed his dad in front of everyone (he did pay for it though). The Sand Snakes killed their king. Cersei blew up basically every royal and religious figure in KL. Well no repercussions for wanton murder is the way it is in this story. When we talk about actual kings though, There have been repercussions for people who killed "good" kings, and people who have killed "bad" kings get away with it. How is that surprising? I know we like to pretend that George is all anti-genre-themes but that's not really true.
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Mar 25, 2017 18:53
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The Dorne one was the worst. She was just the king's brother girlfriend, she didnt had anything close to a claim, and Doran was supposed to be a respected and beloved ruler.
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Mar 25, 2017 19:25
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Demiurge4 posted:Brienne has killed two (as far as everyone knows) No one truly believes she killed Renly in the show. Littlefinger convinced Loras that Stannis sent an assassin right away. Solice Kirsk posted:Ramsay killed his dad in front of everyone (he did pay for it though). And that's a liberal use of "everyone". He killed him in front of a co-conspirator and a man that was bound by oath to obey him once lordship passed to him. Lycus fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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Mar 25, 2017 20:55
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Solice Kirsk posted:Reminder that when they were still following the books Jaime was looked down on for killing a king and now we have no less than 3 people that have done the same with no repercussions. He wasn't looked down on for killing the king (the point of the civil war was to kill the mad king) but because he broke his oath as a member of the king's guard.
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Mar 25, 2017 21:49
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Manic X posted:this thread seems to hate the show more than like it. It has some really dumb moments for me, but is still a really good show. You want the good show, but you need the bad poosay.
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Mar 25, 2017 23:33
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Elias_Maluco posted:The Dorne one was the worst. She was just the king's brother girlfriend, she didnt had anything close to a claim, and Doran was supposed to be a respected and beloved ruler. Doran was not a king.
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Mar 26, 2017 04:06
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GoT went from being possibly the best fantasy ever presented in a visual medium during season one to the tv equivalent of a summer blockbuster with swords and dragons. There's no doubt that it's still a high quality entertainment product which is why we're all still watching it but how can it be called 'good' when it's a goofy parody of its former self? GoT wasn't good because it was a high budget high production values fantasy affair, it was good because it felt like a serious treatment of a very authentic feeling fantasy setting, the big moments used to carry gravitas because everything felt so visceral, the events seemed important. In season 6 more often than not you have to go "yeah that doesn't really make a lot of sense but I guess I see what they're trying to set up", the build up between the last three seasons is particularly annoying as you have characters and plots being set up which all get wiped out in political murders (usually by relatives) out of left field.
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Mar 26, 2017 10:20
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emanresu tnuocca posted:There's no doubt that it's still a high quality entertainment product which is why we're all still watching it Actually I watch it cause it's hilariously bad.
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Mar 26, 2017 11:40
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Manic X posted:When he killed Roose, again there was no response from any character - like there was no one loyal at all to Roose in the room.
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Mar 26, 2017 12:15
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the problem is in the books ramsay looks like a giant monster not suave handsome cunning tv serial killer cliche. plus they advertised poo poo with "the north remembers" and cut that plotline completely out despite nothing happening during all of season 5 and easily being able to make it the main plot. it really is like a completely different show after season 4 (partly the fault of the books killing off most of the good characters).
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Mar 26, 2017 13:06
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Groovelord Neato posted:the problem is in the books ramsay looks like a giant monster not suave handsome cunning tv serial killer cliche. Abandoning plot lines really is the shows greatest sin. The north remembers and dark Sansa are just two examples of something that could have been awesome.
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Mar 26, 2017 13:09
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Lloyd Boner posted:Doran was not a king. No, but he was a prince. Still, he's the ruler of Dorne and people (both peasants and noblemen) seemed to be cool with his hothead brother's concubine taking his seat. It's amazing that they made Dorne somehow even more boring and stupid in the show
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Mar 26, 2017 13:30
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Elman posted:Actually I watch it cause it's hilariously bad. i'll play devils advocate and just ask what you watch on tv so i can also know what is just "regular bad", and then "normal" and then "good". if you could leave a list of a few shows each that'd be great, as i'm out of stuff to watch and am honestly looking for anything to watch now
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Mar 26, 2017 13:43
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Groovelord Neato posted:the problem is in the books ramsay looks like a giant monster not suave handsome cunning tv serial killer cliche. Of course, that's just TV and complaining about that would be silly. Like "All these people on this CW show are beautiful, that's so unrealistic!"
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Mar 26, 2017 13:50
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emanresu tnuocca posted:GoT went from being possibly the best fantasy ever presented in a visual medium during season one to the tv equivalent of a summer blockbuster with swords and dragons. Yeah, it went from "wow, I never though a fantasy TV show could be this great!!" to "lmao that's so dumb. cool battles though " Lloyd Boner posted:Doran was not a king. Whatever. Point is: he was murdered in a conspiracy that never made a lick of sense by someone who had absolutely no claim to his place. And everyone was just ok with it because apparently dornians are all mentally disabled
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Mar 26, 2017 13:55
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The Great Autismo! posted:i'll play devils advocate and just ask what you watch on tv so i can also know what is just "regular bad", and then "normal" and then "good". if you could leave a list of a few shows each that'd be great, as i'm out of stuff to watch and am honestly looking for anything to watch now Uh I dunno, just compare it to other HBO shows like The Wire or Rome, where the characters are relatable and events actually make sense. Or Hannibal, House of Cards, even lighter stuff like Stranger Things or Homeland. There's plenty of good stuff on TV, it doesn't all have to be high art but GoT sure doesn't set the bar high these days. I'd like to say I'm hopeful things will pick up now, they've got their endgame planned out and they very clearly set all their pieces on the board last season (by killing off every character they didn't want to bother with). Now they should be able to cook up a good ending instead of worrying about juggling way too many plotlines. My hopes aren't high though.
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Mar 26, 2017 14:56
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Elman posted:Uh I dunno, just compare it to other HBO shows like The Wire or Rome, where the characters are relatable and events actually make sense. Or Hannibal, House of Cards, even lighter stuff like Stranger Things or Homeland. There's plenty of good stuff on TV, it doesn't all have to be high art but GoT sure doesn't set the bar high these days. I love house of cards but it is cheesy as hell. I just rewatched burn notice on Netflix. That was a really fun show. Homeland has been unwatchable since season 2 IMO. Game of Thrones is still awesome though.
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Mar 26, 2017 15:19
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Elias_Maluco posted:Yeah, it went from "wow, I never though a fantasy TV show could be this great!!" to "lmao that's so dumb. cool battles though " Nobody else lives in Dorne. There were some weird arab looking dudes but Jaime and Bronn killed them
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Mar 26, 2017 15:21
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Lycus posted:Of course, that's just TV and complaining about that would be silly. Like "All these people on this CW show are beautiful, that's so unrealistic!" In this case, though, it's a major shift in the way the character is presented. You don't have to cast an actual ugly person, but he could have been a big cursing rear end in a top hat like King Robert or the Greatjon, and given his bastard status, other nobles would have never considered working with him. Show Ramsey, at least until he starts skinning things, is very smooth and charismatic, and you could almost see him taking Roose's place when all's said and done.
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Mar 26, 2017 15:39
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Lycus posted:Of course, that's just TV and complaining about that would be silly. Like "All these people on this CW show are beautiful, that's so unrealistic!" it makes him a totally different character. also it's dumb how tv always makes serial killers and poo poo bright and charismatic. they're usually subaverage intelligence brutes (like ramsay!).
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Mar 26, 2017 16:49
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emanresu tnuocca posted:GoT went from being possibly the best fantasy ever presented in a visual medium during season one to the tv equivalent of a summer blockbuster with swords and dragons. For me the books did fantasy in a new way that I wasn't used to. The TV show presented that when it was following the first three books and now it's just moving from setpiece to setpiece. Which is poo poo.
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Demiurge4 posted:Abandoning plot lines really is the shows greatest sin. The north remembers and dark Sansa are just two examples of something that could have been awesome. Dark Sansa wasnt an abandoned plot. It was some dumb theory people latched onto for some reason because one time sansa wore a dress with black feathers or some poo poo.
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Mar 26, 2017 20:17
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Taear posted:For me the books did fantasy in a new way that I wasn't used to. The TV show presented that when it was following the first three books and now it's just moving from setpiece to setpiece. Which is poo poo. If that's what people like, that's what people like, as opposed to meandery poo poo like AFFC and ADWD.
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Elman posted:Uh I dunno, just compare it to other HBO shows like The Wire or Rome, where the characters are relatable and events actually make sense. Or Hannibal, House of Cards, even lighter stuff like Stranger Things or Homeland. There's plenty of good stuff on TV, it doesn't all have to be high art but GoT sure doesn't set the bar high these days. nice i haven't watched Rome or Hannibal, i'll check 'em out
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Mar 26, 2017 22:55
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Groovelord Neato posted:it makes him a totally different character. also it's dumb how tv always makes serial killers and poo poo bright and charismatic. they're usually subaverage intelligence brutes (like ramsay!). You mean like Ted Bundy?
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Mar 27, 2017 01:52
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First promo https://youtu.be/JxWfvtnHtS0
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Mar 30, 2017 18:27
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Is Dany at Dragonstone? I don't recognize her throne.
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Mar 30, 2017 21:31
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Hamlet442 posted:Is Dany at Dragonstone? I don't recognize her throne. That's where the spoilers say she goes
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Mar 30, 2017 21:42
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SimonCat posted:You mean like Ted Bundy? *sees the word "usually" and uses one of the few examples of an intelligent, handsome serial killer*
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Soul Glo posted:That's where the spoilers say she goes I never thought I'd see the day come that I would read spoilers and pray they were all completely false.
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Mar 30, 2017 21:59
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Groovelord Neato posted:*sees the word "usually" and uses one of the few examples of an intelligent, handsome serial killer* Perhaps the reason that intelligent suave serial killers are more popular than dumb brutes on TV is because they're way more fun to watch. Perhaps. R-Type posted:I never thought I'd see the day come that I would read spoilers and pray they were all completely false. Where does she land in your fanfic? Lycus fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 22:13
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She is going to land there and spend the next 10 years playing politics with the locals again
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Mar 30, 2017 22:25
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Groovelord Neato posted:*sees the word "usually" and uses one of the few examples of an intelligent, handsome serial killer* Ted Bundy's one Jeffrey Dahmer's was a very outgoing gay man who used his charm to lure victims home. Richard Ramirez found love in prison. Charlie Manson founded a whole commune of free love psychosexual killers John Wayne Gacy was a suburban family man. the BTK killer had a wife and children, was a member of Christ Lutheran Church and was elected president of the church council. HHHolmes married multiple women and was so charming he was able to convince some of their families to keep sending him money after their daughters went missing. Dillon and Eric were both popular kids in school. Dylan Roof was taken alive because...? ruddiger fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 22:34
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ruddiger posted:Dillon and Eric were both popular kids in school. it's been over a year since I read "Columbine" so i may be remembering incorrectly but Dylan was not very popular at all, i think. eric definitely was but dylan was always seen as kind of a social outcast IIRC it doesn't discount your post in the slightest, just was commenting for the sake of accuracy also now I'm listening to sufjan steven's song "john wayne gacy jr", a song i haven't even though about since like 2007. so thanks for that
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Mar 31, 2017 00:26
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Why are all the hackers on TV cool, attractive rebels? Why can't they make TV shows about fat, boring loners?
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Mar 31, 2017 00:34
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Lycus posted:Why are all the hackers on TV cool, attractive rebels? Why can't they make TV shows about fat, boring loners? Because I watch television to escape
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Mar 31, 2017 00:38
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Gurm is a serial killer of hopes and dreams, a loathsome sack of poo poo, and quite popular.
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Its been said before, but I'll say it again. The last three seasons of the show have started sucking because the source material they were working with sucked. It's why I'm looking forward to the show ending so I can finally completely forget about the remaining books that will never come out.
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