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I think Maro's gone on record saying that they only use one or the other within a block because of that.
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Huh, 'whenever you cycle or discard' plays interestingly with some of the dumber Madness cards like Broken Concentration.
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mossyfisk posted:Huh, 'whenever you cycle or discard' plays interestingly with some of the dumber Madness cards like Broken Concentration. It's redundant because cycling discards anyway, but sometimes you have to spell that sort of thing out so the effect makes sense.
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I have a question about the wording on Glorybringer, it says you may Exert it as it attacks rather than whenever it attacks, could I say for example Exert in response to Avacyn's etb trigger?
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Mar 27, 2017 14:11
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I see they've decided to go the "all our planeswalker deck PWs are going to be garbage" routeGoutPatrol posted:Other things it could be: Putting a -1/-1 counter on something you Exert would be pretty similar to the LotR TCG exert mechanic. Not that this is a bad thing, mind you. Willeh posted:Can't wait to confuse +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters in limited jesus, give them *some* credit Siivola posted:I think Maro's gone on record saying that they only use one or the other within a block because of that. He has.
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goth smoking cloves posted:I have a question about the wording on Glorybringer, it says you may Exert it as it attacks rather than whenever it attacks, could I say for example Exert in response to Avacyn's etb trigger? rofl who the gently caress knows what exerting even is
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Mar 27, 2017 14:30
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TheChirurgeon posted:I see they've decided to go the "all our planeswalker deck PWs are going to be garbage" route I mean, that was the stated goal from the beginning. MaRo posted:These cards are being designed to be fun and flavorful but not pushed for tournament play. The idea is we want new players to be excited by them and for them to have a big impact on the game, but we don't want established players to feel obligated to buy the Planeswalker Decks. As a default, the planeswalkers will be expensive to cast and splashy. I think "fun", "flavorful", "not pushed for tournament play" and "expensive to cast and splashy" all that close to one another is as close as a WotC employee will ever get to saying "trash for people who post on internet forums about magic the gathering"
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Boxman posted:I mean, that was the stated goal from the beginning. The intro deck PWs are always garbage... Also a 4/4 flying haste for 5 is good even if that was all the text.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:rofl who the gently caress knows what exerting even is The question was about the wordering of as this attacks rather than whenever this attacks it shouldn't matter what exert actually means.
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mcmagic posted:The intro deck PWs are always garbage... Stormbreath dragon showed that this is indeed the case. The pro white and monsterous helped, but it also doesn't appear to be a mythic which is fine by me.
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Mar 27, 2017 14:40
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Boxman posted:I mean, that was the stated goal from the beginning. fair enough. I guess I was hoping for something closer to "good, but not standard playable" rather than "total jank" though
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Mar 27, 2017 14:55
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Sickening posted:Stormbreath dragon showed that this is indeed the case. The pro white and monsterous helped, but it also doesn't appear to be a mythic which is fine by me. And Strombreath was good even with Heroes Downfall in the format.
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Alternatively, the answer is making the preconstructed decks not have high-dollar chase cards so new players can find and pay for them at retail. Imagine if Mind vs. Might had Ancestral Visions in it. It would be a fifty-dollar Duel Deck.
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TheChirurgeon posted:fair enough. I guess I was hoping for something closer to "good, but not standard playable" rather than "total jank" though They want to avoid accidentally printing a constructed-playable card in them because they don't want a run on the decks by tournament players making the intro product inaccessible to new players and the cost of that planeswalker skyrocket. With regards to that concern, it's better to err on the side of making them completely unplayable than risk something that could be in standard.
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TheChirurgeon posted:fair enough. I guess I was hoping for something closer to "good, but not standard playable" rather than "total jank" though If they do it that way, they are accidentally going to make one of the walkers playable and it won't end up in the hands of their target customer. About any time they pack value into these starter sets stores and spikes will simply crack them for value.
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TheChirurgeon posted:fair enough. I guess I was hoping for something closer to "good, but not standard playable" rather than "total jank" though The line between those is pretty thin sometimes and if they cross it with intro deck exclusive cards the price will explode and everyone will be pissed off about it, casuals and tournament goers alike.
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mcmagic posted:And Strombreath was good even with Heroes Downfall in the format. As it turns out, a threat is still the side you want to be one even with good answers. Haste with evasion is also good against planeswalkers.
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goth smoking cloves posted:The question was about the wordering of as this attacks rather than whenever this attacks it shouldn't matter what exert actually means. Normally the "as..." wording instead of "when..." wording means it's not a triggered ability and doesn't use the stack, it just happens at the same time as the thing that makes it happen. I don't think that's what's happening here, though, since it doesn't make much sense for an ability that doesn't use the stack to "target", and it would be really weird if they didn't give the opponent a chance to respond with Giant Growth effects. It seems more likely to me that the word "target" forces it to use the stack, and the "as" wording makes the exerting happen "as a cost", i.e. it exerts when the ability goes on the stack instead of when the ability resolves. I think if it said "When" you could target a creature and put the trigger on the stack, and then when the opponent played Giant Growth you could go "okay in that case I choose not to exert." Not sure though? Attorney at Funk posted:I bet exert is like Monstrosity but with a single -1/-1 counter instead of some number of +1/+1 counters. This is my guess too. Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Flame Lash was almost there, incidentally (a few early red decks were playing a copy or two just to get a critical density of burn spells). It's also still more expensive than some actually-played-in-standard rares like Pia and Depala. e:^ The exert happens immediately, as you declare attackers. Then there's a separate triggered ability ("when you do...") that has a target and actually deals the damage.
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With cycling back, it would be a good bet to buy your living ends today if you were on the fence about buying them to play with. It will have an obvious target on its back for mtgfinance mouth breathers shortly.
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Jabor posted:e:^ The exert happens immediately, as you declare attackers. Then there's a separate triggered ability ("when you do...") that has a target and actually deals the damage. That makes a lot of sense, and it also explains "When you do" rather than the more common "If you do" templating.
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Sickening posted:Stormbreath dragon showed that this is indeed the case. The pro white and monsterous helped, but it also doesn't appear to be a mythic which is fine by me. I like how Stormbreath shows up in Modern more than Thundermaw Hellkite, just because the only 1 mana spell to kill it is Dismember.
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Sickening posted:If they do it that way, they are accidentally going to make one of the walkers playable and it won't end up in the hands of their target customer. About any time they pack value into these starter sets stores and spikes will simply crack them for value. It never seemed like the starter product was scarce enough to prevent non-spikes from buying them just because they had chase cards. Thragtusk's price was kept in check for a long time thanks to its availability in a tournament precon.
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TheChirurgeon posted:It never seemed like the starter product was scarce enough to prevent non-spikes from buying them just because they had chase cards. Thragtusk's price was kept in check for a long time thanks to its availability in a tournament precon. It happened exactly once with True Name Nemesis and WotC has been terrified ever since.
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TheChirurgeon posted:It never seemed like the starter product was scarce enough to prevent non-spikes from buying them just because they had chase cards. Thragtusk's price was kept in check for a long time thanks to its availability in a tournament precon. Do you not understand the value of a unique card being printed in the deck as opposed to a reprint of an already existing card?
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Lottery of Babylon posted:It happened exactly once with True Name Nemesis and WotC has been terrified ever since. Jitte
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Lottery of Babylon posted:It happened exactly once with True Name Nemesis and WotC has been terrified ever since. I thought it also happened with Scavenging Ooze before that, before anybody knew it'd be printed into a core set. Also wasn't Flusterstorm also in that deck?
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Baleful Strix was verging on being a real money card for a while when it got printed in a Planechase deck and turned out to be good enough for Legacy. Luckily it got reprinted in a bunch of Commander stuff and Eternal Masters. (lol that they bumped it up to rare in EM)
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I don't like the planeswalker decks because they're intentionally terrible but advertised as something that new players can bring to FNM and every time someone has showed up with one they inevitably get horribly curb stomped. The BW Tokens modern event deck or the GB sacrifice standard event deck from about a year ago are pretty good and they should try to make more precon product like that. The decks aren't great but the cards inside aren't crazy expensive and you'll at least play some real games of magic when you bring them to FNM.
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LOL @ Delirium and Cycling in the same standard. Deece. Exert means it doesn't untap during your next upkeep.
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ThePeavstenator posted:Incoming Street Wraith + RIP reprint Swampwalk probably means that it will never see a reprint out of a masters set. This is because WOTC is incompetent and believes one swampwalk creature ruins the flavor of the set.
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mcmagic posted:
A mcmagic post.
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http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/so-much-amonkhet-news-2017-03-27
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mcmagic posted:LOL @ Delirium and Cycling in the same standard. Deece. I am more aroused by the fact that we might have another dragon matters cycle. http://media.wizards.com/2017/images/daily/WLs5YzuMLC.png WTF
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It honestly wouldn't surprise me if cycling for 2 is the best it's gonna get and that there are no 1 mana cyclers in amonkhet
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I wonder if they ever even try out the Intro Decks in FFL. Like, if everyone in R&D had to play with an Intro Deck list in FFL exclusively for at least a week or two, would they be motivated to make them at least decent?
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