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All art is inherently political due to either passively reflecting or actively subverting the norms, traditions and politics of the time-period its creator shaped it within. However, that doesn't mean that everything is suited for political analysis.
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To create something like apolitical art, you had to separate it completely from any human socialization, which is basically impossible, not at least because even the rejection of (your) human socialization is a political statement. Most people who have a problem with the idea that art is inheritly political have a very limited definition of politics, as only the organization of government affairs instead of the general organization of society as a whole. I.e. how can breath of the wild be political if it isn't about health care reform? e X fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 11:22
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e X posted:To create something like a political art, you had to separate it completely from any human socialization, which is maximally impossible, not at least because even the rejection of (your) human socialization is a political statement. I'm having difficulty seeing much political subtext in still-lifes and landscape paintings, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
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Mar 27, 2017 11:24
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Darth Walrus posted:I'm having difficulty seeing much political subtext in still-lifes and landscape paintings, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. think about the subjects being chosen, what outfits they're wearing, how it's framed, etc, any of those can indicate not only aesthetics but also the political context in which it was made
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Mar 27, 2017 12:08
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cat doter posted:think about the subjects being chosen, what outfits they're wearing, how it's framed, etc, any of those can indicate not only aesthetics but also the political context in which it was made Still-lifes are pictures of inanimate objects. You know, like the classic bowl of fruit next to a bunch of flowers. I guess there could be some political significance to what sort of objects are considered acceptable material, and in what artists achieve prominence, but when you're just drawing an interesting piece of wood you found washed up on the shore, it can be hard to see the direct subtext. EDIT: poo poo, and now I remembered how classic still-lifes are generally supposed to have a particular allegorical message in the objects selected and their arrangement, like a skull in the background of an arrangement of flowers to represent the transience of beauty. I guess that just leaves landscape art, and that has a political element in what parts of the landscape are OK to create pretty pictures of (you won't see many pictures of the beauty of a Brazilian favela outside specialist exhibitions). Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 12:37
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I think I thought I HATE EVERYTHING and hbomberguy were the same person for like a year. I did.
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Mar 27, 2017 12:43
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trying to make everything political just made me think of that transformers thread that tried to read it as a feminist work
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Mar 27, 2017 12:44
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nobody is "making" anything political, it just is, human society, how we relate to one another, is politics, it permeates everything to some degree, even an apolitical work is a statement that rejects that, which as hard as whoever tries to do that, is a political statement itself
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Mar 27, 2017 12:52
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There was an art movement of beautiful grand landscapes that got popular in the early 20th century Europe if I'm not mistaken. It was tied to a wave of nationalism as a way of showing how beautiful and pure their country was. Also, there's a somewhat famous portrait of a Swedish king which was drawn and sent to the queen of England in order to convince her of marrying him. She refused because she didn't want to give up any of her power. There's usually a lot of politics behind very inconspicuous things and art history is way interesting and selfies are old as gently caress.
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Mar 27, 2017 14:16
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 Good Government in the Country, fresco in the medieval government halls of Siena Landscape and Western Art posted:Etymologically and conceptually 'landscape' has, from the start, been ineradicably implicated in urban and political life, in property and commercial relations. Again, this remains so even when the image seems most innocent of such connections. In a natural landscape, any kind of marker of human presence and human usage [...] inflects that landscape, connects it however vestigially with the insignia of human control and organization. Pictures of wild scenery, without a trace of cultivation or human presence, appeal largely because dramatize that landscape's own untrammeled liberty. [...] Images of landscape, pastoral or sublime, are images of retreat, refuge, retirement. They are places where political life emphatically is not, and therefore remind us of what is absent. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 14:28
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I loving love art, man
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Mar 27, 2017 14:36
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A movie, like let's say "Get out", obviously has a point about race. But you can just watch it as an enjoyable thriller. But as a black person I would have had a hard time not connecting with the movie's political commentary, and if that was something I didn't feel like I had the strength to deal with I wouldn't give it a watch (I did and I really, really liked it). Seek out stuff that isn't too close to something you find upsetting. Try to suss out subjects that don't affect you as or doesn't make you think about the stuff that's making you uncomfortable at the moment. "Force Awakens" probably had some politics in there that I didn't notice because I was too busy enjoying the pew pew, hrrrr and waum waums. It is possible to enjoy a movie without obsessively trying to compare it to the human condition. I say this both as a person who had a horrible depression/mania and could barely enjoy anything but horror movies without spending waaay to long thinking about it or getting weirdly emotional. And as a person who had to learn not to ruin an entire movie for myself because it had a bad cut, sound or something distracting in the background for less than three seconds, in one scene. What I'm trying to say is, never ever leave your home and embrace the abyss.
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Mar 27, 2017 14:50
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achillesforever6 posted:I can say this the Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes movies are good and I'm still surprised that Jason didn't show up in either of them. Did anyone say Guy Ritchiiiiie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5qGs7vQs20 "You are quite the doer of things Mr Green" "We need you to do a thing" "I did a thing"
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Mar 27, 2017 14:55
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That video is why Guy Ritchie got brought up
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Mar 27, 2017 15:37
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watho posted:That video is why Guy Ritchie got brought up I'm a dummy  E: Seriously, why would anyone just spontaneously talk about Guy Ritchie? Sarcopenia fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 15:54
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Sarcopenia posted:It is possible to enjoy a movie without obsessively trying to compare it to the human condition. You're saying this on a forum where SuperMechaGodzilla exists.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:05
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Looking deeper into a film or not is often a choice. I'd never fault someone for doing it or not doing it.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:10
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Mar 27, 2017 16:12
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Sarcopenia posted:It is possible to enjoy a movie without obsessively trying to compare it to the human condition. The human condition is a pretty broad subject, though. Unless you mean The Human Condition (1959-1961, d.p. Yoshio Miyajima), though that's also pretty broad.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:47
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Wasn't like I was going to buy Yooka-Laylee anyway, but from what I've gathered by talking to people on other places, a few of them said something along the lines of "By the time the game would have come out, no one would have been talking about Jon anymore, but through doing this, they've only caused the conversation to flare up yet again, costing them in the long run." Jon being in the game on launch wouldn't have done anything to harm the game. Removing him, has had the opposite effect- now some people are turned off, others are getting refunds, and now this is an Iron Fist style thing where there's more conversations about the controversy surrounding the product rather than the product itself. Not "muh SJWs/freeze peach" or whatever strawman is being gathered from out-of-context Twitter photos. And if people wanna cancel their pre-order, then fine, vote with your wallet and all that.
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Mar 27, 2017 17:59
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If anything, Jon being removed has reminded me I need to place a preorder.
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Mar 27, 2017 18:09
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SatansBestBuddy posted:If anything, Jon being removed has reminded me I need to place a preorder. it's made me consider buying it even though i really dislike banjo-kazooie and would never play the game
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Mar 27, 2017 18:58
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Yo, I just wanna say even though I'm not a movie buff I actually really enjoy your lecture videos on the language and art of editing.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:38
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GoneRampant posted:Wasn't like I was going to buy Yooka-Laylee anyway, but from what I've gathered by talking to people on other places, a few of them said something along the lines of "By the time the game would have come out, no one would have been talking about Jon anymore, but through doing this, they've only caused the conversation to flare up yet again, costing them in the long run." Jon being in the game on launch wouldn't have done anything to harm the game. Removing him, has had the opposite effect- now some people are turned off, others are getting refunds, and now this is an Iron Fist style thing where there's more conversations about the controversy surrounding the product rather than the product itself. I had literally had never heard about this game before the Jontron drama.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:25
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Yeah I think people underestimate the amount of folks with disposable income who are willing to throw bux at a product when its creators give bigots the boot. (Or even just hadn't heard about this niche game and might actually genuinely like it.) Plus I mean maybe it's bad business but the team still considers "Lost some money" to be preferable to "Associated with a fuckin white supremacist." I know it's hard to believe but even in the US not everyone makes their decisions purely based on profit.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:18
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A company axing a spokesperson or sponsorship deal due that person being a PR disaster is the most normal thing in the world, but I guess when you see yourself at the forefront of some culture war and not just as part of a changing entertainment industry, your priorities shift around a lot.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:28
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There's too many men, There's too many people, Making too much problems! And there's not much love to go Around CAn- hey there's a new Kimble Justice vid this time on Net Yaroze. Kid me feels kinda cheated only getting the European version, some of those japanese ones would have been a blast. Mahjongg was a somewhat alright Shanghai clone tho. Kunster fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 21:31
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echopapa posted:If you’re the kind of person who is motivated by conflict, then finding politics in art is a good way to live your life. If you aren’t that kind of person, then I recommend occasionally ignoring political context for your own sanity. watho posted:There was an art movement of beautiful grand landscapes that got popular in the early 20th century Europe if I'm not mistaken. It was tied to a wave of nationalism as a way of showing how beautiful and pure their country was. With modern (contemporary?) works, I feel like there are cases where it would be difficult to do.. The question I always wanted to ask is, "If all works are political, what kind of politics, messages, or what-have-you can you get from Gobliins 2?" I admit I'm being facetious about that, but it's the kind of thing where I feel like you'd be hard-pressed to gleam a similar form of political analysis. The only thing I think you'd be able to gleam from it is maybe cultural differences in art style and game design. MiddleOne posted:I had literally had never heard about this game before the Jontron drama. The irony is that I never really was interested in Banjo-Kazooie, but hearing him talk about it in his Nuts and Bolts review made me want to try Yooka-Laylee.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:43
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Kunster posted:There's too many men, I'm pretty sure I remember playing some of these games on my PS1. So long ago...
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Mar 27, 2017 22:03
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If the game is good, I'll buy 3 gift copies of the game and share one of them with one lucky goon in this thread. If it sucks, I'll donate the money to Doctors without borders or something that infuriates racists. Take that, racists!
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Mar 27, 2017 22:07
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I'm just going to echo this thread's appreciation for Noah Caldwell-Gervais. I've watched his Wolfenstein and Homeworld video essays, and they are terrific.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:16
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Mad Lupine posted:If it sucks, I'll donate the money to Doctors without borders or something that infuriates racists. I know you might think you're slightly joking but... (apologies for the Reddit/KiA links) https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/5mt6d7/socjus_agdq_bans_attendee_for_not_wearing_a_maga/?st=j0snf8i8&sh=9a2c4eee https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/59bw5p/ethics_why_i_dont_support_games_done_quick/?st=j0snfbly&sh=5bef1dab https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2riikq/mike_uyama_organiser_of_agdq_is_currently_under/?st=j0snfe2a&sh=582e1c55 So I'd say donate during a GDQ marathon to doubly piss them off.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:55
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Mad Lupine posted:If the game is good, I'll buy 3 gift copies of the game and share one of them with one lucky goon in this thread. wait, racists get infuriated by doctors without borders? i mean i knew they hated poo poo like the aclu and naacp and whatnot, but msf? it's an organization that doesn't affect them at all.
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Mar 27, 2017 23:58
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Tracula posted:I know you might think you're slightly joking but... Related, one of the guys who pulled the MAGA hat stunt got another charity stream banned from Twitch a few days ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/614rax/twitchtv_shuts_down_charity_stream_for_no_reason/
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Mar 28, 2017 00:09
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwjc9HbZug8 I could listen to mike's hollywood sleazeball producer voice forever. And him pitching fake movies. 
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Mar 28, 2017 00:28
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:Related, one of the guys who pulled the MAGA hat stunt got another charity stream banned from Twitch a few days ago. Man the people playing twitch devil's advocate/TOS rear end kisser there are kind of sad. "That's lovely, and anyone defending it based on the TOS is just defending a lovely TOS. A blanket ban so severe that collaborative works are blacklisted based on one individual's poor standing is obviously an absurd overreach." This is apparently an opinion worth being hidden away (-7 upboats) at the bottom on  .
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Mar 28, 2017 00:34
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SatansBestBuddy posted:If anything, Jon being removed has reminded me I need to place a preorder. I'd buy it but my computer is poo poo and needs to be replaced
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Mar 28, 2017 00:33
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Yardbomb posted:Man the people playing twitch devil's advocate/TOS rear end kisser there are kind of sad. anyone dumb enough to let cyberdemon or anyone else in that crew onto their stream absolutely deserves a blanket ban hope this helps
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Mar 28, 2017 02:10
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i mean poo poo they even obviously read the tos since they asked twitch about it, why the gently caress would anyone side with them. i am loathe to defend twitchs tos but that entire group are known shitstirrers who go out of their way to start trouble and get banned and then play the victim every single time. they deserve absolutely no sympathy and the people running that charity are loving idiots for letting them in, just like the gdq organizers were loving idiots for giving them all another chance at this past agdq.
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'oh no we let a banned streamer into our charity stream whose most notable attribute is causing as much poo poo as they possibly can everywhere they go and we got banned for it, how could we have seen this coming' - an actual literal idiot
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