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The lightning's just one more element of visual noise, and a pretty distracting element at that. It's too much. There's shots in there where there's more lightning visible than Flash. And also, yeah, it's more loving blue. I honestly prefer Marvel's weird grayness to the constant washed-out bluetones of DC.
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I really liked how Flash moved
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Mar 27, 2017 05:36
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Flash is like the one character where Snyder's style actually works and makes sense.
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Mar 27, 2017 06:18
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I think Snyder got mixed up on the difference between Aquaman and Lobo
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Some details have come out about Vulture in the new Spider Man. Him, Shocker and Tinkerer work for a company that's basically ( if not explicitly) Damage Control who end up losing their contract for cleaning up superhero battles to a Stark company and end up reusing chitauri tech to build their suits and weapons.
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That seems like a conflict of interest.
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Finally watched the JL trailer: I quite liked: - The look of slo-mo extra-electric Flash - "The Aquaman" highway surfing the Batmobile - JK Simmons' mustache Cyborg still looks like he could be snapped in half by a strong wind and so far that actor is not doling out any charisma whatsoever. I want a Teen Titans Go Cyborg personality.  What does Batman say at around 1:38? I've listened to it like 3 times and can't parse it.
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Dacap posted:Some details have come out about Vulture in the new Spider Man. Him, Shocker and Tinkerer work for a company that's basically ( if not explicitly) Damage Control who end up losing their contract for cleaning up superhero battles to a Stark company and end up reusing chitauri tech to build their suits and weapons. Also his jacket needs a haircut  E: Just announced, new Homecoming trailer premiering tomorrow. https://mobile.twitter.com/spidermanmovie/status/846346096792109058 zoux fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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I hope the CGI in JL looks less out of place by the end, because dear God the Parademons and Cyborg look weird
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Is the Titans cartoon cyborg's design just forbidden to use? He's blue, I thought the DC movies loved blue!
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The Titans design has a kind of Fischer Price look which works for that show but wouldn't elsewhere. You gotta give him more of a chance than seeing him say one line and saying he had no charisma. I thought it was a good read, personally.
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I just remembered this article from last year, I'm guessing Stark's cleanup is the real Damage Control and likely the reason they cancelled the TV show that was in production https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/fan-theory-potentially-reveals-status-of-marvels-damage-control-tv-show-a147830
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parallelodad posted:The Titans design has a kind of Fischer Price look which works for that show but wouldn't elsewhere. That's a fair criticism but on the other hand having half a head of hair looks awful
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Schwarzwald posted:Chewbacca is obviously a man in a costume... Take your heatheness elsewhere
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The real problem with the DCEU is they tried to "rush in" to their big ensemble film while Marvel took their time and built up to Avengers naturally. Iron Man came out in May 2008 and Avengers came out in May 2012, four years later. And between they had four other movies in universe introducing new characters and the tone of the universe. But Man of Steel came out in June 2013 and Justice League has been completely rushed to only four and a half years later in November 2017, and between those two they've only had three other in universe films instead of four. They haven't introduced us and given us the chance to get used to important characters and their roles like Edward Norton's Hulk and Terrence Howard Rhodes. They really set up important characters like Hawkeye by having him stand on a tower and do nothing, unlike the DCEUs handling of Aquaman. And their universe is filled with unlikable millionaires who casually murder people, not charming rogues like Tony Stark. Total rush job.
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Oh man, you totally owned whoever said those things, they must be so embarrassed.
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The teaser trailers Lex had on his laptop or whatever along with logos for each of the characters still makes me giggle everytime I think about it.
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Arist posted:Oh man, you totally owned whoever said those things, they must be so embarrassed. 
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Studio execs understand the Marvel cinematic universe is making mad bank without understanding that they developed it over years. On the other hand Batman being in it guarantees they'll make boatloads regardless so I don't know that they really care.
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I'm probably taking the bait on this but whatever. They made a cap movie, two iron man movies, a hulk movie, and a thor movie before the avengers. That's five compared to 3. One of those movies was for establishing a character who won't show up in the first jla movie. Comparing years and not movies made is stupid, While they changed actors, they established nearly all of the characters, though it was off putting at first to just have norton leave. Avengers only introduced hawkeye. DC has no characterisation for the Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg. If it was just one of those characters fine, but that's more than half the cast of their movie. Why should I be excited for this movie again? As for your last point yes, the avengers thus far have been generally more likeable than Batman or Superman Monaghan fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 21:37
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Surely you don't really need to work your way up when your main characters are Batman and Superman because everyone knows who they are already? 
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No movie needs establishing movies. You don't need The Origin Of Indiana Jones or whatever to like Indiana Jones.
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And even with the setup Avengers reintroduces every character anyway.
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ImpAtom posted:No movie needs establishing movies. You don't need The Origin Of Indiana Jones or whatever to like Indiana Jones. I'd argue that if your trying to create a franchise you do. Indiana Jones movie, the main character is Indiana Jones. They aren't using the movie to also make you love short round and go watch his flick. The whole premise of superhero team up flicks is watch superheroes you like interact with one another. The movie going audience has the benefit of knowing the personality and traits of the character. Now a superhero team up movie has to establish these traits of the new character while also sharing the spotlight with a bunch of other guys. Monaghan fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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ImpAtom posted:No movie needs establishing movies. You don't need The Origin Of Indiana Jones or whatever to like Indiana Jones. Uh, I think you mean Indiana Jones: Origins Prequels were a mistake.
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I think the clearest proof of the differing approaches is that everyone is madly in love with the MCU and everyone hates the DCCU except for youtube commenters. I think you might be able to launch DC Avengers to acclaim after two establishing films but WB ain't accomplishing that.
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ImpAtom posted:No movie needs establishing movies. You don't need The Origin Of Indiana Jones or whatever to like Indiana Jones. When the ensemble team up is like Oceans Eleven, you don't need a whole lot of screen time to introduce a big cast. Each member is a criminal and we get a brief idea of their specialty in a quick scene. That's all you need to know to follow the movie. When the ensemble team up is like Justice League you can't just introduce a character like that. Each background needs to be explored more because they contain fantastical elements everyone won't be able to just pick up on without confusion. One character may be the leader of an ancient civilization, powered by magic, another could be a member of a Cosmic order that protects galaxies, and yet another can be a normal person who gets transformed into a metahuman by a scientific experiment gone wrong. The cultures/planets that some of them have grown up in need to be explained, as well as how their powers work. It's great when all the main characters are pre-established so the ensemble team up movie can get right into the team up story without an hour of rushed introductions.
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redbackground posted:What does Batman say at around 1:38? I've listened to it like 3 times and can't parse it. "My turn." Need your ears checked my dude. Or get a pair of good headphones, lmao.
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Monaghan posted:I'd argue that if your trying to create a franchise you do. Yeah, I'd agree- team movies without set-up can and often do work just fine. Mystery Men and Guardians of the Galaxy are great superhero movies featuring totally unknown characters, the first X-Men movie and the reboot with First Class were fine, and there are plenty of well-received ensemble films that can provide inspiration- any good heist film, war films like The Great Escape, etc. And in many of those cases people's enjoyment is absolutely built on enjoying the interaction of the various characters without lots of prior knowledge. It's just that these are all either designed as self-contained affairs, or with the intent that their sequels would be equally team-based. You don't have time to do anything but paint characters in fairly broad strokes, and audiences associate the characters with the initial team context- i.e. if I liked Ocean's Eleven I'll probably be interested in Ocean's Twelve, but I'd be considerably more dubious about hypothetical solo Danny Ocean and Rusty Ryan spin-off films.
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Cape comics have people show up and show off their powers with no backstory all the time. If they're popular they get an origin later. You just need a baseline audience expectation that this world has superheroes in it. You could absolutely do a Justice League movie with no setup, but you'd have to be ruthless about glossing over or just omitting the origin stories. Every character is a costume, a set of powers, and a personality, that's it. Maybe a line of dialogue about where they came from. This is pretty much how Avengers handled it. If the movie is a success, it makes the audience want to know more, which builds an audience for the future solo movies - just like in comics. Snyder's approach so far doesn't suggest he could restrain himself enough to do that, though.
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ImpAtom posted:No movie needs establishing movies. You don't need The Origin Of Indiana Jones or whatever to like Indiana Jones. That was still a pretty good series, though.
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You can introduce a bunch of characters in one film, but you need to have good writing and so far WB is lacking there.
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I think a better way to say it is that Marvel made a bunch of people want a team-up movie between RDJ's Iron Man, Evans' Captain America, Hemsworth's Thor, Johannsen's Black Widow, and a Hulk, and then gave them one after they already wanted it. DC is struggling because they are trying to sell Justice League to people who don't have that pre-established desire to see it (and because they continue re-using the same aesthetic that people who don't like DC movies hate so much no matter how much they complain).
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ImpAtom posted:No movie needs establishing movies. You don't need The Origin Of Indiana Jones or whatever to like Indiana Jones. I dunno. I have very fond memories of that tv series to be honest (You really should have chosen someone who didn't have that. Like Bond?)
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I'm really glad they decided to do the Strider, Gandalf, and Legolas movies before doing the big team-up in Fellowship of the Ring. I wouldn't have understood the world or liked the characters otherwise.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I'm really glad they decided to do the Strider, Gandalf, and Legolas movies before doing the big team-up in Fellowship of the Ring. I wouldn't have understood the world or liked the characters otherwise. hdu leave out Gimli.
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WillyTheNewGuy posted:When the ensemble team up is like Oceans Eleven, you don't need a whole lot of screen time to introduce a big cast. Each member is a criminal and we get a brief idea of their specialty in a quick scene. That's all you need to know to follow the movie. People make fun of Marvel movies for feeling samey and interchangeable and there's validity to that, but the characters themselves are plucked from a lot of different genres and settings. Some are more synchronous than others (Captain America and Hulk are both results of super science), and some are virtually incompatible on a surface level (actual otherworldly god Thor and...Hawkeye), either way, the series of films did a lot to make it so that it doesn't feel strange for these characters to appear together...not only in the same universe, but in the same storyline. It's not as much about needing the origin of Indiana Jones to enjoy Indiana Jones as much as it is about needing something before you put Indiana Jones, Han Solo, and Jack Ryan in the same storyline. Doctor Spaceman posted:I'm really glad they decided to do the Strider, Gandalf, and Legolas movies before doing the big team-up in Fellowship of the Ring. I wouldn't have understood the world or liked the characters otherwise.
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BrianWilly posted:I mean...you joke, but LotR was originally a sequel to another story which had already established a lot of the setting and even many of those characters, so... By that metric the Justice League are hardly unfamiliar characters either. Plus they just jumped straight into the Lord of the Rings movies without doing The Hobbit first.
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WillyTheNewGuy posted:When the ensemble team up is like Oceans Eleven, you don't need a whole lot of screen time to introduce a big cast. Each member is a criminal and we get a brief idea of their specialty in a quick scene. That's all you need to know to follow the movie. There are plenty of movies which introduce fantastical characters quickly. I mean christ Guardians of the Galaxy introduces characters probably more difficult to deal with than Man Who Runs Fans or Guys Who Lives Underwater. These things are not as complex as people make them out to be and there have been films like that before the advent of Everything's A Franchise.
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