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64bit_Dophins posted:I'm 22 and I'm already starting to feel this way. Ain't it grand? I would have paid MS over a 100 bucks for something like Windows 10 without the telemetry, Cortana, forced updates including drivers, the store, ads on the desktop, startmenu and now even explorer. Then we have OSX which seems to have jumped the shark in recent times with Siri, network speeds that are half of what I get on my NAS using Windows, problems with display port video cards ( I am not the only one, I checked even the laptops exhibit problems when I last checked) and hardware that is irrelevant for three years now (Mac Pro ). iOS is getting worse with all the baggage they are stuffing into it and the flat shaded stuff is truly terrible IMO. That is not even getting into the headphone jack retardedness. It seems like a couple of years ago these software companies got to a point where they thought they would never be: stuff was finished, the OS was good enough. But instead of polishing it and removing the rough edges ( Windows: dialog boxes from NT4? The look and feel could be more consistent, kernel can be made better etc. etc.) they started stuffing extraneous bullshit in the OS.
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Windows 10 forced updates are sort of a blessing in disguise. My maternal grandmother for example won't have to worry about ransomware when she's continually updated (I assume, I know very little of ransomware and grandmothers).
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Boiled Water posted:Windows 10 forced updates are sort of a blessing in disguise. My maternal grandmother for example won't have to worry about ransomware when she's continually updated (I assume, I know very little of ransomware and grandmothers). Probably, if they could have kept the Pro version the Pro version it would be alright. Enterprise is where its at, but you can't really buy it as a consumer.
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Boiled Water posted:Windows 10 forced updates are sort of a blessing in disguise. My maternal grandmother for example won't have to worry about ransomware when she's continually updated (I assume, I know very little of ransomware and grandmothers). Yeah forced updates are a good thing. They allow users to opt out, but intentionally make it more difficult to do that then to just let the updates go forward. You should have a good reason to not update, not just a feeling of not wanting to be bothered.
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:Probably, if they could have kept the Pro version the Pro version it would be alright. Enterprise is where its at, but you can't really buy it as a consumer. How do you go about getting it, anyway? Can you just call up a partner and tell them you need one SA license, or is it more complicated?
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Kaal posted:Yeah forced updates are a good thing. They allow users to opt out, but intentionally make it more difficult to do that then to just let the updates go forward. You should have a good reason to not update, not just a feeling of not wanting to be bothered. This weekend the loving blue box that pops up All I'm saying is this is loving stupid and I loving hate that god drat pop up. I'm not against updating but either make it 100% transparent to me and never bother me with that poo poo or let me disable it once and for all and do it manually. I have no idea what setting it's in cause I get the idea that it should be automatic but I've probably messed up some settings just by googling for random poo poo like "how do I uninstall candy crush" and "why the gently caress does candy crush keep reinstalling" and then just pasting whatever the hell the websites tell me to paste into powershell. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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My experience with android was the "flagship" galaxy s, which had the worst gps ever, didn't get updated past i think 2 versions of android (the first of which was already old by the time the phone launched), and was then replaced by the next "flagship" in short time. It also had samsung's utterly terrible "Robust File System" which slowed the entire phone to a halt if you installed something, or eventually after enough general use would just run like dogshit anyway quote:Before you go congratulating them on a great job, remember this is the second time they did this. The original attempt was called Robust File System. It was an abortion based on FAT16/32 with a duplicated file allocation table and some sort of journalling hacked on top. I'm hopeful things aren't so bad now, haven't seen any phone with a feature point of "HAS A BAROMETER" lately, but that phone made me run to the iphone and never look back. Is android not a shitshow any more?
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Kaal posted:Yeah forced updates are a good thing. They allow users to opt out, but intentionally make it more difficult to do that then to just let the updates go forward. You should have a good reason to not update, not just a feeling of not wanting to be bothered. No they are not, the OS serves you not the other way around. Windows has a long history of always nagging you for poo poo. I'll update when I want to, don't presume to know better. For example: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-updates-delay-basketball-game/
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megalodong posted:My experience with android was the "flagship" galaxy s, which had the worst gps ever, didn't get updated past i think 2 versions of android (the first of which was already old by the time the phone launched), and was then replaced by the next "flagship" in short time. Android is great. Don't let your experiences of Android version 2 on a Galaxy S that launched 7 years ago dissuade you from excluding it from the rest of your life.
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Kaal posted:Yeah forced updates are a good thing. They allow users to opt out, but intentionally make it more difficult to do that then to just let the updates go forward. You should have a good reason to not update, not just a feeling of not wanting to be bothered. Haha gently caress that you people are loving retarded. The fact that they stopped releasing patch notes is good enough reason not to trust them. I will admit though, it was amusing watching my coworker burn an hour in the middle of the workday last week while his win10 install decided to update with no opt out. As for me I will stick with my macs. For gaming I'm doing a win10 pc on its own firewalled vlan with steam remote play. If you dumbasses want to trust a company that puts ads on solitaire and file explorer and overrides hosts file entries so they can have enable unfettered control over your PC, be my guest.
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Boris Galerkin posted:This weekend the loving blue box that pops up Got a massive popup that wouldn't go away until dismissed while watching something in Kodi (presumably because my DPI setting is set for TV) telling me all about how Windows Defender was working perfectly and didn't find any threats the other night. This is the old systray poo poo that they cleaned up (mostly) with Win7, back to haunt us again.
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As far as forced updates go: security, yes. Everything else a choice and explanations of what the updates do would be nice. Microsoft pulled some really shady crap and that's a permaneant trust-breaker. The little cash grabs (spying and advertisements, advertisements, advertisements!) are also sleazy as hell. Some of it even looks/behaves like malware. Can you even use Windows 10 without setting up a Microsoft account or whatever? Regarding the barometer: it makes it easy to accurately track flights of stairs climbed during the day. Three-Phase fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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It's gonna be hilarious when it turns out that running the bulk of the computers on Earth on the exact same monoculture O/S written by a company famous for poor security practices turns out to be a bigger security problem than just having a million different O/S and version combinations. Have we learned nothing from the Cavendish bannana? (No; the answer is no we haven't)
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I think linux when not on desktops is cool and good but ok.
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revmoo posted:It's gonna be hilarious when it turns out that running the bulk of the computers on Earth on the exact same monoculture O/S written by a company famous for poor security practices turns out to be a bigger security problem than just having a million different O/S and version combinations. Have we learned nothing from the Cavendish bannana? (No; the answer is no we haven't) Mac guys have been waiting for a supervirus to shutdown every Windows desktop one dark day, but it's never happened.
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revmoo posted:It's gonna be hilarious when it turns out that running the bulk of the computers on Earth on the exact same monoculture O/S written by a company famous for poor security practices turns out to be a bigger security problem than just having a million different O/S and version combinations. Have we learned nothing from the Cavendish bannana? (No; the answer is no we haven't) You mean the Gros Michel banana. Cavendish hasn’t fallen yet.
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Three-Phase posted:Can you even use Windows 10 without setting up a Microsoft account or whatever? Yes you can click "skip this step". It won't stop Microsoft from assigning you a unique advertising ID though
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What ads are you guys talking about?
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This takes the cake: https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/onedrive-ads-windows-10-file-explorer/
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~Coxy posted:Got a massive popup that wouldn't go away until dismissed while watching something in Kodi (presumably because my DPI setting is set for TV) telling me all about how Windows Defender was working perfectly and didn't find any threats the other night. You can turn those notifications off under Windows Defender settings, just fyi.
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Trip report: I tried to divorce Apple but my work's IT department wouldn't let me get a Chromebook. "We don't support them because we can't install Antivirus." Went with a MacBook.
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You should install Ubuntu on it.
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ArgumentatumE.C.T. posted:What ads are you guys talking about? That's what I'm wondering as well. I have two Win10 installs at home and haven't seen any of this nonsense. Couple clicks to get Cortana out of the taskbar and clear out all the goofy tiles in the start menu and it's pretty clean.
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Or gently caress even clicking and just classicshell
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metallicaeg posted:That's what I'm wondering as well. I have two Win10 installs at home and haven't seen any of this nonsense. Couple clicks to get Cortana out of the taskbar and clear out all the goofy tiles in the start menu and it's pretty clean. You can take like 5, maybe 10 minutes to make it not look like complete poo poo. I hate that Microsoft made their start screen on a clean install look like complete dirt like that. All my clean installs have had a bunch of random candy crush things and minecraft random things added to it, it's very obnoxious. But then you just uninstall them and delete them and you're good to go. e: I'll give you this: the Edge and Onedrive "suggestions" are poo poo. I've deleted Onedrive from my everything but it's still not 100% cleared off my computer. It's one of those things they should just ask: "Do you want to use OneDrive?" and if you say no, it doesn't keep trying to get you to use it. jokes fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:This takes the cake: https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/onedrive-ads-windows-10-file-explorer/ Sometimes when I feel like being a dick I break down a bad design for someone by putting a screenshot into Photoshop, and drawing big red translucent rectangles over top of the areas that actually contain content. It would not look good for the current version of file explorer.
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It seems like 99% of what people complain about in Win10 is because they're too big babies to just turn them off or use some utility to block them. We seem to live in a world now where people assume that the default settings are some kind of dictatorship and not something that can changed.
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GargleBlaster posted:It seems like 99% of what people complain about in Win10 is because they're too big babies to just turn them off or use some utility to block them. We seem to live in a world now where people assume that the default settings are some kind of dictatorship and not something that can changed. It's me. I'm the baby that thinks it is absurd that even hosts files entries, manually configured, are not adequate to take control over the property that you have bought and paid for.
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GargleBlaster posted:It seems like 99% of what people complain about in Win10 is because they're too big babies to just turn them off or use some utility to block them. Reminder that this person is defending a corporation that recently placeds ads on SOLITAIRE and now charges a monthly fee to have them removed.
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revmoo posted:Reminder that this person is defending a corporation that recently placeds ads on SOLITAIRE and now charges a monthly fee to have them removed. How much loving solitaire do you play that ads in the game bother you to the point where you have to post about it?
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GargleBlaster posted:It seems like 99% of what people complain about in Win10 is because they're too big babies to just turn them off or use some utility to block them. We seem to live in a world now where people assume that the default settings are some kind of dictatorship and not something that can changed. Wanting sensible defaults is not some some new thing.
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nexxai posted:How much loving solitaire do you play that ads in the game bother you to the point where you have to post about it? How much $MSFT do you own that it drives you to the point where you have to post about it?
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nexxai posted:How much loving solitaire do you play that ads in the game bother you to the point where you have to post about it? lol, have we really reached the point where ~marketing~ needs to be in every aspect of a product? has it become that normalized and acceptable? I look forward to the day when my car starts up and the central dash unit flashes poo poo about the Taco Bell Doritos tacos.
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 19:58 |
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it's me, I'm the guy that thinks Candy Crush Saga being a default in an Enterprise product is cool and good
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Just hopped in here to tell everyone I was finally able to afford my first Apple product. A brand new iPhone 5s for 150 bucks.
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My Android phone shat itself today and needed a factory reset, in a grim reminder of why people pay more for iPhones. I still don't really want to spend twice as much for a device that dictates what I can and cannot do with it though.revmoo posted:Reminder that this person is defending a corporation that recently placeds ads on SOLITAIRE and now charges a monthly fee to have them removed. It took me 10 seconds to google how to get the old Solitaire back: https://windows.gadgethacks.com/how-to/bring-back-microsofts-classic-no-bloat-games-windows-for-free-0166605/ I'm sorry, but if that's too hard for someone who posts on SH/SC, they deserve to be paying the monthly fee. Or if you feel it justifies installing a server OS on your desktop or spending 4x as much for Apple gear then... have fun I guess? I'm not defending them as such, but people really make such a fuss over things they can easily change, and if they put 1/100th of the time they spend complaining on an internet message board about the defaults, into flicking a few switches to "off" and running a couple of tools, I just think they'd have a much better, more constructive time of it. GargleBlaster fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Why the gently caress would you put all this visible janky junk crap in an operating system at all?! Like in what world is that defensible at all, when Samsung adds 1/10 the bloat in their Android versions they get skewered for it. If you buy an OS from anyone else who sells them, Apple, Google, any nix, you don't get a hint of that hot garbage.
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Like solitaire is basically the equivalent of the running error screen T-Rex from chrome, imagine if he tried to sell me Doritos
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I'm not saying it's ideal, but I'm also not going to go in a fit of neckbeard rage like my fedora is cutting off circulation to my head, when we're talking about a stable and capable operating system given to me by means of a free upgrade.
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GargleBlaster posted:if they put 1/100th of the time they spend complaining on an internet message board about the defaults, into flicking a few switches to "off" and running a couple of tools, I just think they'd have a much better, more constructive time of it. Or.... just use an OS that doesnt have those switches that need to be flipped to begin with. Your OS is a piece of poo poo.
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