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Mar 26, 2017 15:29
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If the Allies drop three nukes they've lost on points. They'll have done worse than history.
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Mar 26, 2017 15:37
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HannibalBarca posted:there's a nuke survival victory condition? Scoring goes Allied decisive victory - marginal victory - tie - Japanese marginal - Japanese decisive, if I remember correctly; the tiers refer to the historical outcome, though, so "tie" means the American player won the war roughly on par with History. If I recall correctly from earlier discussions (might have been in the other thread or in the allied LP) every nuke after the two historical ones drops the score a full tier in Japan's favour. Considering that if the USA player needs the third nuke then the game is already somewhere between marginal American victory and tie, Japan surviving the 3rd nuke means that a Japanese marginal (at lest) victory is all but assured at that point.
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Mar 26, 2017 15:45
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RA Rx posted:What Tiler Kiwi said, there's no ship respawn anymore and the Soviets don't attack until August 1945, so Grey just needs to strive a bit further forwards on China and shipping points and keep an even keel on fleet battles for two years! Is there any way that Grey could halt the Soviet invasion? By 1945 he'd have to have taken Chunking and every other base in China so he would certainly have the numbers to do it, but is the Japanese table of equipment just too weak to stand up to them?
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Mar 26, 2017 15:47
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I think the Japanese never really get any good armor or anti-tank guns so anything that a proper tank touches just kinda melts.
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Mar 26, 2017 15:51
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Crazycryodude posted:I think the Japanese never really get any good armor or anti-tank guns so anything that a proper tank touches just kinda melts. Oh yeah, good point. He will have a lot of land-based aircraft in relatively safe locations that could bomb their tanks, though.
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Mar 26, 2017 16:12
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RZApublican posted:Oh yeah, good point. He will have a lot of land-based aircraft in relatively safe locations that could bomb their tanks, though. At this rate? No he wont. He needs planes to delay the capture of SE Asia for as long as possible.
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Mar 26, 2017 16:14
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The Soviets had some pretty good flak guns, in large numbers with experienced crews, and their own airforce will be coming not far behind (as soon as they can build up/capture some decent airfields).
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Mar 26, 2017 16:23
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Saint Celestine posted:At this rate? No he wont. He needs planes to delay the capture of SE Asia for as long as possible. At this rate, he's gonna need any planes at all!
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Mar 26, 2017 17:32
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Crazycryodude posted:I think the Japanese never really get any good armor or anti-tank guns so anything that a proper tank touches just kinda melts. Late-war tanks are able to somewhat compete against American armour. Seems like a lot of AARs revolve around hoarding those units (and oil, of course) as closely as possible to help hold out in 1945.
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Mar 26, 2017 17:33
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Omobono posted:Scoring goes Allied decisive victory - marginal victory - tie - Japanese marginal - Japanese decisive, if I remember correctly; the tiers refer to the historical outcome, though, so "tie" means the American player won the war roughly on par with History. What an incredibly grim way to win.
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Mar 26, 2017 17:38
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   Load faster!  I'm always happy to kill an allied fighter.  We do lose more planes over Port Moresby though.   Slim pickings, and its about time to head back for more fuel.  We do gets the hits in though.   Time to bring the carriers home for resupply. Then its back out to hunt.  Somehow I doubt this one.
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Mar 26, 2017 17:41
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The air war seems to have settled for a steady 1:2 the past few weeks, with occasional spikes in the Japanese percentage from 1:3 to 1:5, and rarer lulls where Japan gets closer. Today was a normal day at 9:19. It used to be Japan won the air war a day or two each month, due to operational losses or carriers sinking, but there might not have been a single day this month. A sign that conditions are continuing to deteriorate slowly. Still, it's only one branch of the war going poorly. It'll add up over time, but things are going well in China and at sea, so as long as the Essexes sink and the USN can't expand it's air bases the problem remains mostly under control. PS. What's a simple term for direct-fire warship that relies on artillery only? RA Rx fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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Mar 26, 2017 19:59
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I hope my lucky ship didn't go down to one 250 kg bomb 
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Mar 26, 2017 21:16
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RA Rx posted:PS. What's a simple term for direct-fire warship that relies on artillery only? I think they qualify as Surface Combatants. Though that would include torpedo-only armed ships as long as they weren't submarines.
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Mar 26, 2017 21:32
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Is Grey doing something wrong with his airforce, or is the drop in Japanese pilot quality already showing? Everything else is going great for him.
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Mar 27, 2017 04:37
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Kibayasu posted:What an incredibly grim way to win. I choose to believe that surviving a third nuke gives the Japanese access to Kaiju with which they invade America.
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Mar 27, 2017 10:04
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RA Rx posted:What Tiler Kiwi said, there's no ship respawn anymore and the Soviets don't attack until August 1945, so Grey just needs to strive a bit further forwards on China and shipping points and keep an even keel on fleet battles for two years! It's possible for a Japanese player to win a 1943 autovictory, but it relies on exploiting the poo poo out of the invasion bonus to invade as far afield as Noumea, Australia, and Colombo within the first six months, but that window has definitely passed for Grey - we're probably going to win on points in 1945.
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Mar 27, 2017 10:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's possible for a Japanese player to win a 1943 autovictory, but it relies on exploiting the poo poo out of the invasion bonus to invade as far afield as Noumea, Australia, and Colombo within the first six months, but that window has definitely passed for Grey - we're probably going to win on points in 1945. I have a vague plan for my first Japanese game to capture Noumea, Fiji and Ceylon and just snipe shipping with betties/nells and the dive bomber version of the Lily for 4 years.
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Mar 27, 2017 11:37
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  This may be a waste of fuel, but I have them, so I should use them!  “Allied task force is surprised”  We hit another LST.  Its going to be quiet for a while.  Another good day of killing though!
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Mar 27, 2017 17:35
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27 March 1943 British escort carrier Dasher, destroyed by
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Mar 27, 2017 17:47
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Grey Hunter posted:
"Allied captain shits pants"
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Mar 27, 2017 19:32
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Grey Hunter posted:
He's trying to lead us into a false sense of security guys, invasion of Russia is imminent.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:28
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Is the soviet invasion just based on the historical date or are there other factors? Something about the Korean garrison?
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Mar 27, 2017 21:08
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Ron Jeremy posted:Is the soviet invasion just based on the historical date or are there other factors? Something about the Korean garrison? It's based on the historical date but it can be triggered earlier if the Manchurian garrison requirement isn't met. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 21:09
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Am I right that the AM Advent was sunk by Yamato's main gun? Talk about overkill!
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Mar 27, 2017 21:44
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No, 155 mm is tiny for a naval gun. The 46 cm below is one of the fun toys.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:52
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Yeah 155mm is a little over six inches, a typical small gun for shooting at torpedo boats and the like. The Yamato's primary armament were nine 46cm (~18 inch) guns. If you hit an AM with an 18 inch shell, it either punches straight through, or blows up and obliterates the ship. I imagine it's probably the former. e. The xAK Ivis would probably be similarly devastated by a direct hit.  5,666 tons of utterly unremarkable merchant shipping taking an 18 inch shell would not leave much afloat, I don't think. http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1296.html For comparison, here's the AM Despite, the same class as the AM Advent destroyed in this update:  Roughly 300 tons displacement. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 22:02
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For comparison, a single shell for one of the Yamato's 18-inch guns weighed about 1.5 tons. So a salvo from one of her triple turrets would have been equivalent to about 1.5% of the AM Advent's entire ship weight, only in explosives instead of metal.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:23
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I imagine you could cripple that AM by simply raking her deck and house with AA fire. Assuming your guns will depress far enough.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:31
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vyelkin posted:For comparison, a single shell for one of the Yamato's 18-inch guns weighed about 1.5 tons. So a salvo from one of her triple turrets would have been equivalent to about 1.5% of the AM Advent's entire ship weight, only in explosives instead of metal. 
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Mar 28, 2017 00:58
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I'm just waiting for the penultimate GH moment when the Yamato or Musashi are sunk in Taffy 3 style by torpedoes from escorts or something dumb like that
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Mar 28, 2017 01:38
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MA-Horus posted:I'm just waiting for the penultimate GH moment when the Yamato or Musashi are sunk in Taffy 3 style by torpedoes from escorts or something dumb like that It'll turn out he accidentally sortied one of them unescorted as like a submarine patrol or something, and then they'll sink San Francisco.
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Mar 28, 2017 01:44
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Ron Jeremy posted:Is the soviet invasion just based on the historical date or are there other factors? Something about the Korean garrison? You need to keep 8000 Assault Value worth of troops assigned to the Manchurian HQ to keep the Soviets from activating earlier than the historical Aug 1945 date, but the Soviets will always activate by then at the latest.
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Mar 28, 2017 03:30
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I know Grey has had some good luck lately but his planes seem unable to meaningfully stop bombers and take massive casualties anyway when they try. China victories are coming after massive meat grinders and he seems to have a real problem getting supply where he needa it. And the shipping he hurts now won't stop the steam roller that's about to roll over the seas. I don't think he's going to get a victory, minor or otherwise, but I think he'll do better than AI Japan, which is a victory of sorts I guess?
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Mar 28, 2017 06:59
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vyelkin posted:For comparison, a single shell for one of the Yamato's 18-inch guns weighed about 1.5 tons. So a salvo from one of her triple turrets would have been equivalent to about 1.5% of the AM Advent's entire ship weight, only in explosives instead of metal.
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Mar 28, 2017 07:04
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  An already damaged LST makes a good target.  Today was dull as dishwater – the bombers didn't even blow anything interesting up.  Its something I guess.  I am unloading fresh troops to attack Namoua though!
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Mar 28, 2017 17:33
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darthbob88 posted:Mind you, that's mostly steel, and "only" about 140lbs is HE. Even the "HE" shell apparently only has 62kgs of explosive filler?? http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_18-45_t94.php
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Mar 28, 2017 17:48
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What exactly does a Japanese player do at the end of the war? No fuel, no ships, no planes, no pilots. Do they just pray for their pixel man's and press the next turn button?
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Mar 28, 2017 18:07
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Gussying up the combat reports in increasingly creative ways to convince us that we're actually winning.
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Mar 28, 2017 18:26
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