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I think its really just that they've built up a really tight bubble of the internet, radio, and tv where they can bounce those ideas and spins off each other really quickly and see how it flies. You can float some ideas out with Fox and Friends and Breitbart articles, expand them on talk radio during the day, and have feedback and revised spin from Twitter and the internet by the time the evening anchors show up to work.
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seiferguy posted:Ted Koppel straight up called out Sean Hannity saying he's "bad for America" during an interview with him. nice meltdown
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STAC Goat posted:I think its really just that they've built up a really tight bubble of the internet, radio, and tv where they can bounce those ideas and spins off each other really quickly and see how it flies. You can float some ideas out with Fox and Friends and Breitbart articles, expand them on talk radio during the day, and have feedback and revised spin from Twitter and the internet by the time the evening anchors show up to work. Either way, the same approach works. That is why I mentioned anticipating RWM arguments and the ease of doing so. I am confused as to why you seem to keep arguing RNC pundit prep memos don't exist or are irrelevant. Yes, there is a small but nonzero amount of free will in the RWM to choose their topics. Some stories will organically gain momentum. But others are planted.
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seiferguy posted:Ted Koppel straight up called out Sean Hannity saying he's "bad for America" during an interview with him. "Yeah, Koppel, not cool to release that edited video and take me out of context like that. Typical fake news. Coming up tonight on "Hannity!", the latest video from James O'Keefe. You don't wanna miss that." edit: "James" O'Keefe BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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BiggerBoat posted:"Yeah, Koppel, not cool to release that edited video and take me out of context like that. Typical fake news. Coming up tonight on "Hannity!", the latest video from George O'Keefe. You don't wanna miss that." james =)
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Extensive Vamping posted:james =) He got confused because really dense people claim James isn't a giant pussy, but he totally is. :iamafag:
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Easy Salmon Recipe posted:He got confused because really dense people claim James isn't a giant pussy, but he totally is. :iamafag: Excuse me he is a beautiful flower person
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Excuse ME you're being very impolite to vaginas and flowers
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Extensive Vamping posted:Either way, the same approach works. That is why I mentioned anticipating RWM arguments and the ease of doing so. I think I see the "memos" thing as two possible ideas. "There is one body sending everyone a memo to cover" and "they all compile their talking points quickly because it's a groupthink". The latter is the one that I think is true, the former seems overly conspiratorial to me. So I guess the "memo" line just triggers the idea of one source to me instead of the idea that they all just repeat each other in an echo chamber. I don't think there's some GOP powerbroker or group sending memos, they just live in a bubble.
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I misread that as "Is Trump Dead" and was disappointed it wasn't a conspiracy theory that the lizard people had killed Trump and was wearing his skin as a suit to, as a means of explaining away his support for the health care bill and his turn away from populism.
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not really sure what they're gettin' at here. Is this 45th dimensional chess?
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STAC Goat posted:I think I see the "memos" thing as two possible ideas. Except we've been posting evidence they are real over the last few pages, so...
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I mean where do you think the phrase "Talking Points Memo" originated?
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Sloober posted:not really sure what they're gettin' at here. Is this 45th dimensional chess? Based on the snippet posted: the author is either doing a bit, or he's managed to con a publisher (with bad QC/editors) with his own cursory understanding of Nietzsche shoehorned in to fit their dominionist anger-tainment agenda. Either way, a dumb organization probably spent money to buy and publish some junk which reflects poorly on them.
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Extensive Vamping posted:I mean where do you think the phrase "Talking Points Memo" originated? I'm just trying to say that I think they're tabulated from the echo chamber and then disseminated rather than handed down from Darth Koch or something.
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I don't know anyone who thinks that truth is some malleable thing. Republicans are just mad that the truth disagrees with them.
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MokBa posted:I don't know anyone who thinks that truth is some malleable thing. Republicans are just mad that the truth disagrees with them. Yeah, it really is amazing how spot-on Stephen Colbert was when he said that "reality has a well-known liberal bias." c.f. "truthiness"
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STAC Goat posted:I'm just trying to say that I think they're tabulated from the echo chamber and then disseminated rather than handed down from Darth Koch or something. http://www.cc.com/video-clips/jfnpwb/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-i-can-t-believe-it-got-better- 2:00 in. It's shady and they try to keep it secret, but yes, the RNC controls messaging more or less directly for the RWM, and almost entirely for Fox News.
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MokBa posted:I don't know anyone who thinks that truth is some malleable thing. Republicans are just mad that the truth disagrees with them. If you back them in a corner, for example, by proving their claim Obama is a narcissist is patently absurd, they retreat to "well that's my opinion". Which really means "I know this is false but it's what my team wants me to believe".
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How much does anyone want to wager that if they air the entire interview between Koppel and Hannity that nothing would change? Like there'd be absolutely ZERO contextual elements revealed that would qualify it a hatchet job? And don't Hannity and O'Reilly, et al routinely air edited interviews on their shows? Pretty sure everyone does and it's common practice. OK, Sean. Let's see the REST of the interview where you pretended to care about poor people and offered up all of this incredible insight into your "character", you greasy, slimy turd of used car salesman. They probably edited out all the parts where you attempted to explain what Trump REALLY meant in tweets 500 thru 750. And he's still on and on about the loving leaks and why it's a crime and that's the REAL story that no one is talking about. He said today that "this has been going on for EIGHT MONTHS" without a hint of irony or self reflection. He'll say "these leaks are the REAL story" and "this investigation has gone on FAR too long" and then segue into Julian Assange and loving Benghazi. Good on Ted Koppel and gently caress Sean Hannity forever.
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https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/846475641079902212 We all knew what she was, but she sure doesn't hide it these days.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/846475641079902212 To be fair, she hasn't been hiding it since 9/11. Anne Coulter, 12 September 2001 posted:We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
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Extensive Vamping posted:If you back them in a corner, for example, by proving their claim Obama is a narcissist is patently absurd, they retreat to "well that's my opinion". Which really means "I know this is false but it's what my team wants me to believe". Blue Lies
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STAC Goat posted:I'm just trying to say that I think they're tabulated from the echo chamber and then disseminated rather than handed down from Darth Koch or something. Wait Are you saying they don't come from rooms that look like this? 
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Thank you! Good article, sound reasoning but incorrect conclusion. I think a better strategy is just to say "But you know that's not true." Kenzie posted:Wait No, it's this one: 
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BiggerBoat posted:And don't Hannity and O'Reilly, et al routinely air edited interviews on their shows? Pretty sure everyone does and it's common practice. Hannity constantly plays single lines of statements/speeches out of context to make people look like they're saying something completely different from what they actually said. When I listened to him today he would not shut up about the Ted Koppel interview. During his rant he made the statement "You know, I really don't care about it," which is of course why he spent twenty minutes explaining just how much he didn't care. But yeah, he's real mad about this, accusing the MSM of manipulating facts and creating fake news by picking and choosing what to report on (like he loving doesn't, that's how every news/opinion show works and has ever worked). He said he was the champion of the people and that "This is the difference between me and you, Ted Koppel, is I have the integrity to talk about stories like why Obama repeatedly ordered the military to stand down and not help the people at Benghazi, why he lied and said it was a video when they knew it wasn't true, and knew it from day one."
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/846475641079902212 Reminder: the woman apropos of nothing once tweeted out "14!" and then had to scramble for a defense of "oh I was just counting down the days till Obama was out of office, I swear" when the call/response wave of "88!"s started flowing in and even the dimmest bulbs started to go "Hey, Annie. That was a tad crypto-facist of you. Are you al(t)right there?"
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Let's play a fun game of "spot the intellectual dishonesty!" https://twitter.com/rwtquotes/status/846512417723092993 Here's a snippet of a conversation between Rick Santorum and David Axelrod about health insurance. At the end of the clip, Rick says that "there have been many studies done that show that people on Medicaid actually have worse health outcomes than people without health insurance". Rick is correct when he says this, but he's still being incredibly dishonest; why? Because healthy people are always the ones who think they can get away with not having health insurance because they're healthy. Once they get sick, all of a sudden they need insurance otherwise they'll die, so if they're poor they get on Medicaid, and when those people continue to be sick or get worse, it makes Medicaid look worse despite the fact that this situation is *why* we have Medicaid in the first place! Conclusion: give everyone health care except for Rick Santorum.
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If you drink Santorum please seek medical aid immediately
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Xibanya posted:Here's some RWM! How does someone write an article that's roughly 'The opposition is accusing me of  treason ' without even the slightest glimmer of self-awareness.
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Not sure where to put this. When Hannity had Gingrich on yesterday they were talking about the budget and, as usual, the subject of "entitlement reform" came up. Why is it I have never heard any politician or pundit, Republican or Democrat, ever once mention simply raising the cap on Social Security taxes to instantly make it solvent? That's the only reason it's considered insolvent and unsustainable - the 90% of people with any real money don't pay into it after the first $115,000 or so. Why are FICA contributions even capped anyway?
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BiggerBoat posted:Not sure where to put this. "Shut up you filthy loving poor" - Most if not all Republicans
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Playstation 4 posted:"Shut up you filthy loving poor" - Most if not all Republicans How come no Democrats ever mention this though? I doubt that most people are even aware that SS/FICA taxes are capped or, if they are aware of it, probably don't know why. I don't know why.
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BiggerBoat posted:How come no Democrats ever mention this though? I doubt that most people are even aware that SS/FICA taxes are capped or, if they are aware of it, probably don't know why. I don't know why. When was the last time you heard a Democrat (or any politician, really) be able to say the words "raise" and "tax" in a sentence without getting lynched? Hell, look at all the hay Republicans made about the ACA raising taxes, even though it only really affected the +100k crowd. And that's without factoring in all the HENRYs and temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
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RWM roundup time! Holy hell is everybody racist and/or bending over to deny the Russia story today. Nattyreview: The Russian Farce Fox: 'COMMUNITIES AT RISK' Team Trump cites stats, horror stories to show dangers of santuary cities Daily Caller: still loving the Podesta chicken Drudge LA MAYOR VOWS SANCTUARY ILLEGALS FREE TO ROAM Infowars: Too Many White Students Leads To Budget Cuts for LA School and you too can join the fun with my neato tool here! http://xibanya.github.io/frontpages  E:  what the hell?? Is the Blaze complaining that some sensitive SJW snowflakes need a safe space from...kids dressing up in KKK hoods?  http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/28/school-play-canceled-after-kkk-costumes-offend-students-uncomfortable-with-that-part-of-history/  ....  yes, yes it is 
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BiggerBoat posted:Not sure where to put this. Something about "skin in the game", idk
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Phone posted:Something about "skin in the game", idk "Well the thing is, people paying in benefits over that level aren't realistically going to get the same out! You see, that's the point of Social Security: a senseless extra checking account, created for no reason and definitely not protecting seniors from either homelessness or draining their social support networks of sustenance."
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https://twitter.com/rob_bennett/status/846765205468205056 @rob_bennett: Vile. "You saw what happened to Whitney Houston. Step away from the crack pipe..." - @EricBolling to @MaxineWaters https://t.co/CWMcJbQNIm
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