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I'm still scratching my head over why this scored so much worse than DA:I even though it's practically the same game. Janky animations and some mediocre dialogue don't warrant a 10 point metascore loss
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Murder is an unlawful killing or unjustified killing . That takes out most combat deaths or criminal punishments
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Mar 28, 2017 19:32
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Fojar38 posted:I'm still scratching my head over why this scored so much worse than DA:I even though it's practically the same game. Janky animations and some mediocre dialogue don't warrant a 10 point metascore loss It's because more people other than yourself think it's a worse game than Inquisition.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:33
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Kurtofan posted:have we tried blowing them up We just haven't found the gravity well in the centre yet.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:33
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Fojar38 posted:I'm still scratching my head over why this scored so much worse than DA:I even though it's practically the same game. Janky animations and some mediocre dialogue don't warrant a 10 point metascore loss Inquisition was continuing an on-going story and had a stronger plot in the beginning (and first impressions matter), it had a more traditional "bad guy bad, gather friends, defeat bad guy" narrative and its party members were more memorable. Dragon Age also has a different combat system that fit the crafting and gathering bullshit better than Mass Effect's does. I would score Inquisition as a better game but I don't think it's as significant of a difference as people would have you believe it to be. More to the point, I think people also had higher expectations for Mass Effect: Andromeda, both because it had more people working on it and a longer development cycle and because it had to do more to justify why they made another Mass Effect after conclusively ending the plot of the original trilogy.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:33
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exquisite tea posted:It's because more people other than yourself think it's a worse game than Inquisition. Are you saying its all a matter of opinion
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Mar 28, 2017 19:35
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Also why do people keep saying Tann's VA clearly just wanted the money? I feel like he wouldn't have agreed to be in this goofy promo video if he was just there for the cash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8-57qulMCE
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Mar 28, 2017 19:34
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In Inquisition I felt the open world elements not only didn't improve the game but actively made it worse They did a better job with that poo poo in Andromeda by far. Just a better overall spacing of things to do on the maps
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Mar 28, 2017 19:35
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Fojar38 posted:Are you saying its all a matter of opinion Yeah, and your opinion is not the majority one in the context of all Andromeda reviews.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:34
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I felt like Tann's VA was basically spot-on for his character and I also actually mostly think Tann is fairly reasonable even if I don't usually agree with him fully. I'm only just getting to Voeld though so maybe he becomes a turbo rear end in a top hat later. Or to put it another way, Tann is more reasonable in this game than the Council was in Mass Effect 2 or 3. 
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Mar 28, 2017 19:36
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doingitwrong posted:Also why do people keep saying Tann's VA clearly just wanted the money? I feel like he wouldn't have agreed to be in this goofy promo video if he was just there for the cash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8-57qulMCE Who is saying this? Kumail Nanjiani is a national treasure.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:36
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Lightning Knight posted:Inquisition was continuing an on-going story and had a stronger plot in the beginning (and first impressions matter), it had a more traditional "bad guy bad, gather friends, defeat bad guy" narrative and its party members were more memorable. Dragon Age also has a different combat system that fit the crafting and gathering bullshit better than Mass Effect's does. I think the idea that Inquisition is more suited to crafting is baffling to me. Fabricating a gun onsite and customizing it makes way more sense to me and more appropriate to scifi than crafting my own sword. I associate Fantasy with finding or looting cool poo poo not making it.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:38
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So far I think DA:I is a better made game with far less evidence of rushing/being poorly thought through, but I personally prefer ME:A because I'm sucker for the setting. I loved DA:O but I preferred the setting in that isolated story rather than in general so in 2 and 3 it kinda flew over my head.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:37
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Lightning Knight posted:The murder side plot was actually way more interesting than I was expecting it to be because I assumed it would be a remake of the murder side plot from KOTOR but instead the outcome is asking you to outright set legal precedent and decide if your leadership would be in the business of suppressing evidence which was really cool and made me actually feel like a field leader. As someone coming from a country where you will still get prosecuted for attempted murder even if your prior conviction for murder was cleared up, I was not happy with the American style of justice system used. Also not about how a private company sets itself up as judge and jury and police force all at once, without oversight. I was very happy however That the quest comes up later on, when the Turian comes back to let himself put back into stasis, since his wife left him and everyone treats him like a murderer
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Should I play Sara my first play through and Scott as NG+ because it's more normal for a woman tossed in such a position to flail around ineffectually without skill, while a man would step up and fight effectively? Or should I play Scott my first play through and Sara as NG+ because the world will hand such a position to a dude with no experience, but a woman who gets it would have be much better to start with?
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Captain Oblivious posted:In Inquisition I felt the open world elements not only didn't improve the game but actively made it worse I disagree completely, they are the same, they are both made worse by their terrible open worlds and lazy quest design filler. Fojar38 posted:I'm still scratching my head over why this scored so much worse than DA:I even though it's practically the same game. Janky animations and some mediocre dialogue don't warrant a 10 point metascore loss DAI is overrated on Metacritic and I liked the game. MEA is worse because Bioware didn't learn a single solitary thing from the valid criticism of DAI.
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Lightning Knight posted:I felt like Tann's VA was basically spot-on for his character and I also actually mostly think Tann is fairly reasonable even if I don't usually agree with him fully. I'm only just getting to Voeld though so maybe he becomes a turbo rear end in a top hat later. Yeah I found myself agreeing with him more often than not, but he's very unsympathetic towards the krogan and has some pretty colonialist attitudes towards the angara that need balancing out. He's the only real leader to go out of his way to support you, as Kesh and Kandros, both relatively sympathetic, still are too wrapped up in their own thing to see the bigger picture. He's gambling on you succeeding such that he gets you a ship and sends you on your way, with a little help from Vetra.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:40
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AngryBooch posted:DAI is overrated on Metacritic and I liked the game. MEA is worse because Bioware didn't learn a single solitary thing from the valid criticism of DAI. They learned that the appropriate way to address criticisms of overly bloated open world quests was to just hide them all in nested folders.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:40
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Captain Oblivious posted:I think the idea that Inquisition is more suited to crafting is baffling to me. Fabricating a gun onsite and customizing it makes way more sense to me and more appropriate to scifi than crafting my own sword. I associate Fantasy with finding or looting cool poo poo not making it. I mean from a traditional game design standpoint maybe, but crafting and customization makes just as much sense for either setting. Crafting fit Dragon Age better because it had already had rudimentary crafting systems going back to Origins and outside of a few weapons had a lot of RNG loot you got just from defeating enemies, and even the specific weapons were off-colors of standard models most of the time. Whereas Mass Effect 2 and 3 had, had set, specific weapons and no crafting and you just found or bought the weapons as you went, and introducing a really cumbersome and annoying material gathering aspect did not improve it in my opinion. To be clear, I don't think the materials gathering and in depth crafting was necessary for either game and I think it makes both worse.
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busydelicious posted:Also, yeah, I hate Tann's VA and how it sounds like he's just ordering a coffee or is being forced to talk to his insurance agent when it is really inconvenient. He definitely just wanted to make some extra money and then bounce. Decius posted:But Sara's VA and tone is basically always perfect. Really love the acting and her as a character a lot more thanks to it.
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AngryBooch posted:I disagree completely, they are the same, they are both made worse by their terrible open worlds and lazy quest design filler. I think the way the open world is implemented sucks a lot, but I think it's more obvious what's skippable in ME and less of a chore because of the combination of jetpack, car, and combat that is fun, so it's certainly less bad. Eos does it best, I think. Because it's fairly focused and has very little side stuff untill you finish it. Then it dumps the side stuff on you later with the very clear information that this it's bonus crap for later. That needed to be the pattern throughout. You get a bit of sidestuff now, and then you get a lot of side stuff for the post game.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:42
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Fojar38 posted:Reports so far say sales are fine, but unlikely to blow up record books I think that once the initial hate boner has worn off, word of mouth will keep this one selling at a far more steady rate than DA2. I think it will end up on par with Inquisition, which is about right since this is "Inquisition with ME combat" and I am totally good with that. Though if sales do slow down, I think that Andromeda 2 will probably go back to the mission based structure of ME2 with severely less open world poo poo. Additional Tasks are not offensively bad because you can just do them whenever you're in the area, but that doesn't really mean they should still be in the game. It's like, dudes, this game would still be freakin' huge and the longest ME game by a good 20 hours even if they cut literally all the Additional Task missions. But yknow... it's still not nearly as bad as DA:I with its "find landmark" "quests".
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Mar 28, 2017 19:43
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Lightning Knight posted:I felt like Tann's VA was basically spot-on for his character and I also actually mostly think Tann is fairly reasonable even if I don't usually agree with him fully. I'm only just getting to Voeld though so maybe he becomes a turbo rear end in a top hat later. Well... He gets pissed off if you let the Salarian pathfinder die, wants you to put a Salarian in charge of the Andromeda council(and gets indignant when you refuse) and cannot perceive of a world where the Krogan weren't in the wrong in literally every interaction with the Nexus. As long as what you're dealing with doesn't involve the Krogan or Salarians he's reasonable. In fact when you re-integrate the Krogan colony the responses to addison are "He'll get over it" or "I can count on no hands how many fucks I give what Tann thinks."
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Mar 28, 2017 19:44
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exquisite tea posted:Yeah, and your opinion is not the majority one in the context of all Andromeda reviews. I've also been playing this game for a full week and still haven't completed it whereas I suspect that reviewers were expected to complete in a couple days and then write their review.
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Halloween Jack posted:I really don't care for Sarah's voice. Her voice reminds me a lot of Scarlett Johansson, whose scratchy, quavering voice bugs the poo poo out of me. As someone who doesn't like Scarlett Johansson's voice or intonation either I didn't find Fryda Wolff's work or voice in anyway similar to her.
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Decius posted:As someone coming from a country where you will still get prosecuted for attempted murder even if your prior conviction for murder was cleared up, I was not happy with the American style of justice system used. Also not about how a private company sets itself up as judge and jury and police force all at once, without oversight. I was very happy however That the quest comes up later on, when the Turian comes back to let himself put back into stasis, since his wife left him and everyone treats him like a murderer That's understandable, I think that the available outcomes didn't really support enough nuance - for example I thought that the evidence points to him technically being guilty of attempted murder but I also personally thought he was ethically justified in what he attempted to do, but you can't support that as an outcome - and while I haven't gotten far enough to see that outcome it's a pretty cool example of how being technically innocent in the face of the law doesn't make you immune to social pressure. I think that a private company setting itself up as judge, jury, and police force is bad but considering that the entire Andromeda Initiative is a kind of ill-founded "let's send a private corporate colony mission into unknown space and if they live they get to become a government!" plan it was internally consistent, and I respected that they were attempting to create a formal, fair process insofar as such a thing was possible under the circumstances. Tricky Dick Nixon posted:Yeah I found myself agreeing with him more often than not, but he's very unsympathetic towards the krogan and has some pretty colonialist attitudes towards the angara that need balancing out. He's the only real leader to go out of his way to support you, as Kesh and Kandros, both relatively sympathetic, still are too wrapped up in their own thing to see the bigger picture. He's gambling on you succeeding such that he gets you a ship and sends you on your way, with a little help from Vetra. That's true, but what I like about Tann is that even when he disagrees with you he's like "but yeah you're actually out there and doin' stuff so if you think you know best I'll do what you say and you can be responsible." It's all I ever really wanted out of the Council honestly, don't send out highly ranked point people to serve as field command if you're just going to assume you know more than them from your desk across the galaxy.
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Fojar38 posted:I've also been playing this game for a full week and still haven't completed it whereas I suspect that reviewers were expected to complete in a couple days and then write their review. This. I'm 44 hours into the game and I just got told about Kadara.  (7 hours of that is MP though)
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Mar 28, 2017 19:46
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Rotten Red Rod posted:No, "we" didn't. Reports say so far say sales aren't great. Everybody always always says this when we only tangentially know physical sales, and I can't recall ever learning of a AAA game's digital sales after the fact. Is there a reasonably accurate ratio of physical to digital sales on a PC for these types of games, or on console? And now versus 2012 I'm sure has more digital sales than physical, anyway.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:47
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Fojar38 posted:I've also been playing this game for a full week and still haven't completed it whereas I suspect that reviewers were expected to complete in a couple days and then write their review. Review copies were sent several days ahead of release, and even if they didn't finish, what does it matter? Most people who buy video games never see them to completion, even 10-20 hours of Mass Effect is enough to make an impression for a review, and saying "but but the game doesn't suck as much after the first 10 hours" is not exactly a sticking point for most people who want to be entertained.
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Halloween Jack posted:I really don't care for Sarah's voice. Her voice reminds me a lot of Scarlett Johansson, whose scratchy, quavering voice bugs the poo poo out of me. This sounds like you a 'you' problem.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:49
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Decius posted:As someone who doesn't like Scarlett Johansson's voice or intonation either I didn't find Fryda Wolff's work or voice in anyway similar to her. Pardon me, I have to put on some Brian Eno and get back to playing Pool of Radiance on a NES emulator with the audio muted.
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Mar 28, 2017 19:50
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Halloween Jack posted:It's odd because every other salarian I've met is great. Right? I love the Salarians and to have one that you have to interact with seem so...bland, it isn't the best. Still, imagine if, in some whacky way, he was a romance option. The lackluster performance would turn into comedy gold.
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exquisite tea posted:Review copies were sent several days ahead of release, and even if they didn't finish, what does it matter? lookin forward to everyones reviews of the first half hour of star wars 8
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Drifter posted:Everybody always always says this when we only tangentially know physical sales, and I can't recall ever learning of a AAA game's digital sales after the fact. ME3 sold about 10% of their PC copies as physical in the first week of release. In Andromeda this was about 4%. So yes digital sales are up across all platforms but probably not enough to beat ME3 or even ME2's release.
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Speaking of reviews for this game, a common thread I've seen has in fact been complaining its too long. I really like this game, but I honestly am fine with it getting less than stellar reviews because it was so undercooked and tarnished in several places. I just hope the lesson taken is to polish and condense, rather than abandon the core themes and structure which I think work really well. Lightning Knight posted:That's true, but what I like about Tann is that even when he disagrees with you he's like "but yeah you're actually out there and doin' stuff so if you think you know best I'll do what you say and you can be responsible." It's all I ever really wanted out of the Council honestly, don't send out highly ranked point people to serve as field command if you're just going to assume you know more than them from your desk across the galaxy. This is something Andromeda does really well. It puts across that you, and the Initiative as a whole, are in over your head, but at the same time everyone is sort of in it together. I miss the "post-mission vidcon" stuff from the Council, could have used more feedback from the proto-council of Nexus leadership, but what interactions you do get with them are honestly just well written. There's unevenness in dialogue here and there, but ultimately I think the writing in this game is strong, I'd just say the occasional disconnect in VA direction brings it down.
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Fojar38 posted:lookin forward to everyones reviews of the first half hour of star wars 8 If the first half hour of the next Star Wars movie sucks I'd expect any reasonable critic to point that out.
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precision posted:Additional Tasks are not offensively bad because you can just do them whenever you're in the area, but that doesn't really mean they should still be in the game. It's like, dudes, this game would still be freakin' huge and the longest ME game by a good 20 hours even if they cut literally all the Additional Task missions. Seems like the thing to do here would have been to pick out the handful of Additional Task quests that are actually interesting, treat them like regular quests, and junk the rest.
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Drifter posted:Holy hell, these kett are shooting me no matter how good I dip dive dodge duck and dive. Kurtofan posted:have we tried blowing them up
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Kurieg posted:Well... I mean the first thing would probably make me mad too, to be fair. Him being basically racist and a product of his background is also basically in line with his character and I think makes him feel more realistic. Like I don't like him and I think he's a corporate jerk but I think that as far as writing and characterization goes he's a really good version of that kind of character and is not a caricature, he thinks like a rational person would in his scenario (racism and all) and I sometimes can even agree with him, which is cool.
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I realize I didn't even go to Havarl before moving on to Kadara, is there anything I'm missing or is it just an optional quest (is the side content on a timer?) edit: haha Vetra/Drack: Nope.
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