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Played another sym game last night in qp where we had no other support heroes, so no healers, against a team that had an ana and a mercy on watchpoint Gibraltar They never came close to capping the second point i don't really understand how games like that happen
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You can do that poo poo with a really good Symmetra. My spouse regularly gets Play of the Game in Competitive with her.
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Mar 27, 2017 15:38
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I once played a Masters comp game on Ilios. Game broke down instantly because iirc one guy was a Hanzo one trick. Our lineup was Hanzo, Widow, Symmetra, Torbjorn, Sombra and I went Lucio because I am hopelessly optimistic. We won 3-0. Hands down the weirdest ever game I ever played. Their lineup was the standard triple tank at the time as well. Only time I've seen a completely thrown game won though.
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Mar 27, 2017 15:42
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Pope Corky the IX posted:You can do that poo poo with a really good Symmetra. My spouse regularly gets Play of the Game in Competitive with her. I have pretty bad comp anxiety which keeps me from doing this. Like I turtle up when I get in there so I don't play as effectively as I'm capable of at all, and it sucks, because when I realized I was good with sym I wanted to try one tricking her and seeing how high I could climb but I just don't have the balls but if I play her too much in qp now my MMR rapidly climbs too high, to a level where she's the only hero I can play marginally effectively. It's a shame cuz I love her but i feel like I can only play her once in a while
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Mar 27, 2017 15:51
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Not gonna lie I miss tank meta. When it finally caught on at my mmr last season there was so much less of Genji I had to deal with. It was great.
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I miss tank meta too, I'm so annoyed at the hanamura dive comps that never work because people don't loving dive the right person
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Mar 27, 2017 17:20
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curiosity hosed me up posted:Has anyone been watching the Stevooo bronze-to-grandmaster-sym-only stream? Last i saw he just hit diamond and had an over 80% win rate.
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Mar 27, 2017 17:22
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Last night on Watchpoint: Gibraltar my team's Zarya fired her ult right as the enemy team were delivering the payload onto the final point, where I had set up all six turrets. Between those and my beam I almost managed a complete team kill. I think it was my greatest Overwatch moment to date. I love Symmetra.
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Mar 27, 2017 17:43
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Redundant posted:Has Reddit flipped its poo poo about cyber bullying yet like they did with IDDQD? To be fair, there is a significant difference between a legit pro player taking his mechanically perfect mccree play to the gold tier and a very good sym player playing sym in the gold tier
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Mar 27, 2017 18:08
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I think Iddqd only took his actual pro mcree/widow like, twice, during those games (vod is off of his twitch now). One of those times he was planning to do machine gun only widow, and then got called out by his teammate who was being super salty that some dude on his team was playing widow. So he pulled out all the stops over both matches, to which said teammate asked him to join up with them.
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curiosity hosed me up posted:To be fair, there is a significant difference between a legit pro player taking his mechanically perfect mccree play to the gold tier and a very good sym player playing sym in the gold tier There isn't really, though, as long as they're of similar "real" MMR. The advantages that Symmetra player has might not be the same ones the McCree player has, but they're still equally far beyond the gold player's abilities. I can't speak to top 500 Symmetras from personal experience but I once captained a team of gold players and a few plats vs. a top 500 Winston in a goon tournament and believe me, it wasn't any less imbalanced just because Winston's strengths don't spring from aim.
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berenzen posted:I think Iddqd only took his actual pro mcree/widow like, twice, during those games (vod is off of his twitch now). One of those times he was planning to do machine gun only widow, and then got called out by his teammate who was being super salty that some dude on his team was playing widow. So he pulled out all the stops over both matches, to which said teammate asked him to join up with them. There was also one other guy who was shouting to the opponent that he was playing widow and trying to gamethrow.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:There isn't really, though, as long as they're of similar "real" MMR. The advantages that Symmetra player has might not be the same ones the McCree player has, but they're still equally far beyond the gold player's abilities.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:00
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Playing against a good Winston feels weird because they always put themselves in just the right place to not die. It's like either you can't shoot him or only you can shoot him and there's a bubble in the way.
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https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753705289
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berenzen posted:I think Iddqd only took his actual pro mcree/widow like, twice, during those games (vod is off of his twitch now). One of those times he was planning to do machine gun only widow, and then got called out by his teammate who was being super salty that some dude on his team was playing widow. So he pulled out all the stops over both matches, to which said teammate asked him to join up with them. They actually said "Widow please stay, we need you" after being lovely all game to which iddqd replied "yeah, but I don't need you" and left the game to requeue. The whole thing was blown way out of proportion by that stupid Reddit thread, the point wasn't to watch the guy shred low-rank players for kicks, and it had some really great moments like the Mercy player who managed to kill him while he was actually on McCree and trying, so some Silver player out there can honestly say that they 1v1'd one of the best players in the game on their main and won.
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Orisa does nothing flashy nor outstandingly well and needs to be with her team. I think I'm okay with this. Is she a proper Rein analogue? No, she's more of a support force multiplier like Zarya. Does that mean she's garbage? Certainly not. Fortify early and often because multiplicative damage reduction AND subtraction is a disgusting combo, lob shields aggressively and at enemies/chokesn and Halt people all day. Really, the key marker of a good Orisa player will be skillful use of Halt, because that ability is amazing. The snare after it pulls people in is a death sentence with coordination.
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I like the shield generator since it fucks up the ability for people to correctly judge when to disengage. Like it's one more rocket, or one more headshot, or one more mag to kill someone and people will either forget and lose the fight when stuff doesn't die when they expect it or they'll push their luck and die instead of retreating. Also Orisa seems kinda bad. Like I've gotten her in the random heroes thing and killed a bunch of people and helped make pushes and all that but it's all basically people having no idea how to deal with her. Like her only notable use to me is killing Torb's turrets because you can drop a shield and with any other ranged character the shield and fortify can let you last long enough to destroy it even with Torb repairing it. I wanted to think her right-click was good for getting picks but it doesn't hold people in place long enough and doesn't pull far enough so generally it's for annoying anyone camping ledges. Fabricated fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Halt is outstanding for confirming kills on wounded enemies trying to flee around corners. It's more of a cleanup ability than an initiator.
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It is said that tomorrow when Orisa is allowed in comp, if you close your eyes and listen silently, you can hear the collective disappointed sighs in the wind as people from all countries and all ranks watch teammates slam pick Orisa upon loading in.
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Orisa explains it all
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Playing Orisa in mystery heroes last night. The only time I can say she was ever useful was when an Ana was pocketing me and Rein tried to hammer down/charge me while I was fortified. I was laughing so hard I forgot to kill anyone except rein. E: Also, even though I know she's bad i've bought her golden gun and a legendary skin. Every time I load in somebody goes "dude why".
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I had a super good Orissa game in Illos the other day as a high plat baddie. Placing the barrier near some cover, popping fortify and attacking from a different angle while my team used my barrier, and of course pulling people out of position. She's not good but I will probably still use her some. I also halted an ulting genji that was about to kill our Ana and that gave us enough time to murder him, also pulled their widow basically on CD which was hilarious, if not that useful. Also if there's a Pharrah flying above, the pro Orissa strategy is to go full Anti-air and shoot up the sky at her like in an old war movie. You won't hit her much but it looks cool.
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I like Orisa, she's Reinhart expect better because she can actually shoot back. Found out her barrier can be put on the payload too and it will move with it.
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Avalerion posted:I like Orisa, she's Reinhart expect better because she can actually shoot back. Found out her barrier can be put on the payload too and it will move with it. That's true for every place-able thing - Winston, 76, etc.
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dogstile posted:E: Also, even though I know she's bad She's good though  Have you tried being better with her
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Orisa is good if no one shoots her.
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dogstile posted:Playing Orisa in mystery heroes last night. The only time I can say she was ever useful was when an Ana was pocketing me and Rein tried to hammer down/charge me while I was fortified. orisa sucks but her gun looks bad rear end is why
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you can def kill pharas as orisa, just lead them shots! her gun is slow but the dmg isn't bad.
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Orisa has a superpower that no other tank does. When she puts her barrier down she can shoot the turret instead of waiting for her team to do it or jetting herself out of position to do it. A-MAZ-ING e: she is also the only tank I have thus far 1clipped with sombra turtlecrunch fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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My Orisa experience is getting 2 shotted by widow, being rezzed into 2 more head shots and death
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Had a fun game of Mystery Heroes yesterday on Numbani defense. We started by getting rolled to nearly the end, but ended up with a great defensive comp of Zarya (me)/Sym/Sym/Zen/Mercy/Junk Between the shield gens from the Syms, the Mercy butthugging me, and good crowd control from Junk, Zen and myself, we ended up lasting and winning the match. I didn't die once I had Zarya due to proper bubble control. Got POTG and even someone in chat commented "zarya carry".
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Is anyone else having a lot of trouble getting games lately? I feel like every time I queue for QP or arcade stuff I get dumped in three different games that are waiting for players before I find one that sticks.
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Ehud posted:Is anyone else having a lot of trouble getting games lately? I feel like every time I queue for QP or arcade stuff I get dumped in three different games that are waiting for players before I find one that sticks. That's been happening for me since I bought the game.
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It has seemed a little worse lately, and then after a minute or two I get lumped in with randoms playing against a group of grandmasters. It also rarely, if ever, jumbles the team on map change. So if we were absolutely stomped, I get to look forward to that again. I thought it would try to keep skill levels relatively close in other modes, but I guess that only happens in comp.
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Started playing comp yesterday because I could not handle the "waiting for" stuff in qp anymore. Someone gave a technical explanation for why it happens in the tryhard thread, it's really stupid. I don't really like playing comp but it's better than "waiting" and false joins for 5 minutes after every single match. I also tried the leave-and-rejoin but it either puts me back into the same "waiting" game or it takes 3m to match up again. Violently Car posted:They turned off reinstancing and will no longer close games that finish with three or more players missing, and this has seriously reduced how often you can get into games. I've gotten in the habit of just leaving games when they end and queuing back up because it seems faster. turtlecrunch fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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I think the ultimate problem with Symmetra and other "specialist" characters is that there are six characters on a team, and it isn't really possible to remove either a tank, a healer, or a DPS without creating a meaningful weakness in that area. So, any time you're playing Symmetra/Hanzo/Widow/Torbjorn, you're making your team noticeably short on either push, support, or firepower. Sometimes you can make this work, because they have unique skills that you can leverage to your advantage, but somebody on your team picking them creates a weakness that picking Soldier/Mercy/Zarya doesn't.
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Rand Brittain posted:I think the ultimate problem with Symmetra and other "specialist" characters is that there are six characters on a team, and it isn't really possible to remove either a tank, a healer, or a DPS without creating a meaningful weakness in that area. So, any time you're playing Symmetra/Hanzo/Widow/Torbjorn, you're making your team noticeably short on either push, support, or firepower. I hate talk like this about this game because it seems like a total denial of all skill involved with every character. Treating each hero by their raw numbers presupposes that the people playing them are playing them at an equal skill level all the time, but I'd much rather have a good symmetra on my team than a bad mercy, or a good hanzo than a bad soldier. I don't know if the idea of a "specialist" in this game is really apt. In general team comps need to fill some needs-- you need healing, you need protection from a tank, you need mid or long range damage--but in a skill based game, I want my teammates to be playing what they're most skilled at, not the best meta picks
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