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Bought a ridiculously expensive level 5 Hedge Knight for 14000 gold and then he only had 61 starting melee skill with 1 talent star. A lucky roll on a caravan guard can get you an equal merc for a fraction.
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Mar 29, 2017 11:24
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Hammerstein posted:Bought a ridiculously expensive level 5 Hedge Knight for 14000 gold and then he only had 61 starting melee skill with 1 talent star. A lucky roll on a caravan guard can get you an equal merc for a fraction. Bad RNG to be sure, but did he not also come with some pretty heavy gear? Usually that is at least two thirds of the cost.
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Mar 29, 2017 12:14
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Just a 240 scale mail, a 2h axe and a 170 helmet. Oh well, lesson learned....
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Mar 29, 2017 12:40
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If he came with a bunch of free level-ups then he might still be worthwhile, even with 61 base melee skill and only 1 star. Could still luck into a good number there.
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Mar 29, 2017 12:49
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Hammerstein posted:Bought a ridiculously expensive level 5 Hedge Knight for 14000 gold and then he only had 61 starting melee skill with 1 talent star. A lucky roll on a caravan guard can get you an equal merc for a fraction. I don't find it worth gambling on most of the expensive guys. Like poo poo, retired soldiers have fantastic skills but they also have cripplingly low fatigue. I think i cap my soldier expenses at around 2k or so, which can net you bastards which usually have decent skills. Caravan guards, poachers, militia, and witch hunters can all have pretty decent skills, and mass hiring cheapos can net you dudes with like iron lungs or something like that which makes up for a huge amount of things. I might make exceptions for weapon masters though. They can be terrifying
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Mar 29, 2017 13:11
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I have trouble figuring out how to build weapon masters, any tips.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:14
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stopgap1 posted:I have trouble figuring out how to build weapon masters, any tips. Any time I've hired a swordmaster I've gone for investing in their HP and fatigue a bit to bring them up to scratch and then boosting their already-high melee skill, initiative, and melee defence. For flavour reasons (as well as effectiveness) I do aim to make them duellists eventually, but until they're able to survive that way I also give them a shield for survivability.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:24
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I hope they add battle sisters at some point. When your roster is filled with just beardy dudes it gets difficult to tell them apart besides looking at what weapon they're carrying.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:25
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Jay Rust posted:I hope they add battle sisters at some point. When your roster is filled with just beardy dudes it gets difficult to tell them apart besides looking at what weapon they're carrying. I think the developers have said it's something they're considering adding later. Which is good, I would also like to have runaway noble daughters trying to prove themselves, schaldmaidens, and ex-camp followers among my rat catchers and fishermen.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:27
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Jay Rust posted:I hope they add battle sisters at some point. When your roster is filled with just beardy dudes it gets difficult to tell them apart besides looking at what weapon they're carrying. I definitely one game took all my guys to the barber by class. Hammerman became redheads with beards Archers were clean shaven, and bald Two-handers were blonde with a moustache Axemen were brunette and clean shaven.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:31
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One of the starting careers for Warhammer Fantasy Battles that caught my attention is Servant because it's a picture of your standard fantasy barmaid, and in combination with the description you can imagine a woman like her just saying "gently caress it!" and joining the mercs for a chance to be something else. "I'm done serving these drunken louts; I'm ready to be a drunken lout!" Maybe something like an inverted Shang-Hai--she knocks a drunk out and takes their place in the company. You could have some fun little stories in their bios explaining how they got there (or some stuff that's as horrible as Eunuch descriptions.  )
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Mar 29, 2017 13:36
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Seriously, necrosavants are a pain in the arse. Even going up against my dude, who has shieldwall+riposte on, who is level 8 and his melee def skill has been boosted through the roof can't dodge them.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:43
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dogstile posted:Seriously, necrosavants are a pain in the arse. Even going up against my dude, who has shieldwall+riposte on, who is level 8 and his melee def skill has been boosted through the roof can't dodge them. I have yet to meet necroservants but they sound awful.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:55
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marshmallow creep posted:I have yet to meet necroservants but they sound awful. You'll love them. They're good and not at all annoying in ways that you can't really prevent
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Mar 29, 2017 14:14
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I sure love going up against 10 dudes, all who have 9 lives, regenerate health, can't be locked down, always go first, have a ridiculously good weapon and all have decent melee def. Its loving great. Honestly.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:00
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Necrosavants are a testament to the quality of AI in this game because every time you think to yourself "wow it would really suck if a Necrosavant teleported to this particular hex next to my archer/wounded guy/on a hill", that's exactly where they go. Every drat time.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:09
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I'd recommend taking steel brow on everyone because necrosavants have headhunter, and it can at least prolong your life a bit.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:20
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Does killing the necromancer stop the dead from reraising?
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Mar 29, 2017 15:24
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Does killing the necromancer stop the dead from reraising? It stops him from spending a couple AP to re-raise one and he won't be able to possess and turbocharge them anymore, but they get back up on their own randomly.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:27
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Night10194 posted:It stops him from spending a couple AP to re-raise one and he won't be able to possess and turbocharge them anymore, but they get back up on their own randomly. to prevent potential confusion, only zombies/wiedergangers of various stripes do this. skeletons can be possessed and reraised but will not get back up independently.
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Mar 29, 2017 16:12
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Night10194 posted:It stops him from spending a couple AP to re-raise one and he won't be able to possess and turbocharge them anymore, but they get back up on their own randomly. What does the possessing do?
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Mar 29, 2017 17:12
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:What does the possessing do?
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Mar 29, 2017 17:28
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:What does the possessing do? Raises all their stats and gives them more AP. It's not that annoying until they get fallen heroes but then oh boy, yeah fuckin do everything you can to lock them down
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Mar 29, 2017 17:43
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Trying to keep archers alive is exhausting with every enemy zerging them without regard for their own safety.
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Mar 29, 2017 17:48
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You put dudes with with shields in front of them
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Mar 29, 2017 18:23
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ditty bout my clitty posted:Trying to keep archers alive is exhausting with every enemy zerging them without regard for their own safety. I found that folding my two lines into three works well to give archers a buffer if we are up against ranged enemies and guys who can shield bash or otherwise barrel through the front. Then, of course, you probably want footwork and rotation as soon as you can.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:26
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Hammerstein posted:Bought a ridiculously expensive level 5 Hedge Knight for 14000 gold and then he only had 61 starting melee skill with 1 talent star. A lucky roll on a caravan guard can get you an equal merc for a fraction. The expensive backgrounds are good because they have melee defense as well as melee skill, it's not difficult to get a farmer or brawler up to 80+ melee skill and good fatigue and hp, it's not so easy to do that and 30+ melee defense as well. You can find hedge knights for 4-5k and sellswords for 3-4k but if they come with a ton of expensive armour then yeah you're going to pay for it. OTOH I managed to hire a hedge knight in my current game who had a scale armour, greatsword and decent helmet, at a point where I was still gearing up my frontline, so I practically got the merc himself for free along with a bunch of equipment I wanted to buy anyway.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:26
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Enemy Mercenary Hedge Knights are terrifying I had one cut down 7 guys in the fight including 2 brothers. Both of whom were level 12 and 13 and wearing reinforces mail and metal helms.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:37
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So, here I am finally getting a handle on things, and I'm starting to feel pretty confident. All my frontline dudes are kitted out in maille, and everyone has a flail or similarly effective weapon (seriously, I love flails  ). So I come across a three-skull noble contract and decide to give it a try. It's about hunting greenskins, and I figure that couldn't be too bad. I'd fought Orcs before, they were tough but perfectly manageable.So I roll up there and happily charge into the fight. That's when I realised my mistake. I'd only fought Orc Young before. This group was lead by a proper Orc Warrior. Actually, two of them.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:45
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Yeah, orc warriors can be a learning experience.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:50
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I still dont get how to fight orcs well. My front line collapses with the stuns even with spearwall up.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:24
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Feel like you need a couple of bros tough enough to take a few turns worth of hits before you can get the orcs surrounded properly. Day 30 of my veteran campaign and i've lost 12 bros so far. I have 0 archers so i guess i'm going to lose more newbies
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Mar 29, 2017 19:36
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I honestly don't really like fighting orcs but when I do, the trick seems to be 1) breaking their morale, and 2) evading their armor.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:37
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scaterry posted:I still dont get how to fight orcs well. My front line collapses with the stuns even with spearwall up. Don't rely on spearwall too much for it. If you're against orc young or berserkers, hurt them with archers on the approach - you can often take out one or two before they make contact, and their lack of armour (or if they have any, weak armour) makes them vulnerable once they've engaged too. Their resolve is a weak point so if you focus fire one or two and kill them you'll often get the others to waver. The stuns are often unavoidable, so the key is making sure that you can either take the hits or dodge them even while stunned - this means shields, melee defence up, and decent armour. If Orc Warriors are in the mix don't bother using archers against them as it's almost entirely a waste of time unless you get very lucky on a helmetless one or something. Try to break their armour or just outnumber them and whale on them. Their two weak points are their fatigue - which will quickly max out, especially if they're using shield wall each turn - and their resolve, which is higher than orc young but still something you can capitalise on. If they bash through your main line you can be in trouble; it's a priority to get footwork on polearm users and archers for this reason, so they can dance out of the way of orc warriors who break your shield wall. And oh yeah, shattering their armour with hammers is helpful if you can do it. Or just use good armour piercing/armour-damaging weaponry generally.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:40
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John Charity Spring posted:Don't rely on spearwall too much for it. If you're against orc young or berserkers, hurt them with archers on the approach - you can often take out one or two before they make contact, and their lack of armour (or if they have any, weak armour) makes them vulnerable once they've engaged too. Their resolve is a weak point so if you focus fire one or two and kill them you'll often get the others to waver. Is there a way to see the enemy fatigue? or are you just rough guesstimates, similar to morale? I've lost handily in the armor department at least. I think i'm overrating spears and shield wall at the expense of having a good hammer or armor breaking option.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:43
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My orc fighting tip is gonna seem weird as hell but... cleavers. Like Hieronymous said, one of the keys to beating orcs is their morale and the cleaver decapitate seems to do a pretty drat good job of that. I've had a couple good chain decaps of orc young that'll send 80% of the ones left fleeing. I don't know if it's confirmation bias or what, but I swear it works.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:47
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Is the merc lvl cap only 11? Such an odd number
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Mar 29, 2017 19:51
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scaterry posted:Is there a way to see the enemy fatigue? or are you just rough guesstimates, similar to morale? Spears own vs stuff that blindly runs into you. Once your melee skill gets over 60 and you get some fatigue reducing stuff like brawny and x mastery you should probably switch to a more damaging weapon. Not saying you shouldn't ever use spears, but they definitely fall off.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:53
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Back Hack posted:Is the merc lvl cap only 11? Such an odd number There are veteran levels now. 11 isn't that weird - it's 10 level ups. Since you start at 1.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:58
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scaterry posted:Is there a way to see the enemy fatigue? or are you just rough guesstimates, similar to morale? You can't see the exact numbers, just an estimate. But it shows you how full the bar is and Orc Warriors tend to hit 'exhausted' after 3-4 rounds of combat. If you can outlast them, you're set.
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