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Harrow posted:Y'see, you'd think that, but this is Nier, and things are weird. You're right I guess it's not spoiling but recontextualizing, I was thinking more of someone in the middle of Automata reading a summary of 1 and going ????
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Real talk, which to play first: Horizontal or Nicer:A?
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Franchescanado posted:Real talk, which to play first: Horizontal or Nicer:A? i hear good things about this new zelda: best of the worst
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Cowcaster posted:again, by definition, aren't prequels pre-spoiled Eh, it depends. A lot of prequels like to pull surprise recontextualizations and like "this minor character from the prequel turns out to have been the villain in the original after a name change" is probably supposed to be a surprise.
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Franchescanado posted:Real talk, which to play first: Horizontal or Nicer:A? Person 5
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Franchescanado posted:Real talk, which to play first: Horizontal or Nicer:A? I vote Nier then Horizon if you plan on doing both because I did the opposite and Nier is kind of hard to look at now.
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play nier first and horizon never
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ImpAtom posted:The opening of Lufia 1 is the ending of Lufia 2, which is a prequel. Yeah it's this. It's pretty much the same thing as above with Nier, it's not really intended to be a twist, but in this case I think the ending of Lufia 2 actually works a lot better going in blind. Also Lufia 1 is just completely terrible anyway so it's not worth playing for any reason.
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Endorph posted:play nier first and horizon never This is terrible advice.
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Franchescanado posted:Wait, why? sidequests come with huge rewards which offset the difficulty a lot, there are good weapons and materials to upgrade them scattered all over the world, if your chips aren't set up right you'll spend the entire game getting one-shot, and there are super cheap consumables that fully halve the damage you take. The game gives you a lot of ways to manage the difficulty on hard but if you don't take advantage of them it gets really rough.
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Trust not the goons with avatars of anime, for they have tasted the forbidden fruit and liked it
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Jay Rust posted:Trust not the goons with avatars of anime, for they have tasted the forbidden fruit and liked it What about goons with avatars of anime video games? Asking for a friend.
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bloodychill posted:Like I get what people mean when they say "if a spoiler ruined something for you, it wasn't worth reading/watching" but on the other hand, people can enjoy literature and art for what they are and genre fiction for what it is. Also don't be a dick. I get why people think this but I feel like there are things in games which are extremely cool to experience first without secondhand knowledge. My dad has been playing Wind Waker off and on and ended up having to replay the first Forsaken Fortress trip once due to some savegame fuckery and his heart was 100% not in it due to the fact that he knew he wasn't gonna save Aryll and he was just gonna get his rear end kicked by a big bird.
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I think not understanding spoiler-avoidance is way stranger. I like to feel these things called emotions when I engage with media: shock, joy, sadness, those sorts of things. It's hard to do so when you know every detail of the plot beforehand.
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The one time I can think of where something I watched was noticeably improved by me not being spoiled was the movie Moon, which is a cool space movie that Duncan Jones made before he fell down the Warcraft hole. I went to see it with some friends not even knowing that it existed before that day, so I hadn't seen a trailer or read about the premise or anything. So when the movie revealed that there were two Sam Rockwells I was really surprised and it made the whole thing more engaging. Afterwards, I watched the trailer and it turns out that thing I thought was a twist was revealed right in the trailer. I mean, it's a good movie either way, so that's important--I wouldn't care if it wasn't a good movie and was somehow only good because of one surprising moment--but going into that reveal not knowing about it ahead of time did make the experience better and more memorable. So I sympathize with people who try really hard to avoid spoilers for things, even if I'm pretty lax about it myself.
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I don't go out of my way to shut spoilers out but I'd prefer not to see them. It's nice to be surprised by things. I don't get why it's so hard for other people to not spoil poo poo for other people who care about that stuff.
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Knowing twists in advance can absolutely change how you feel about a game. Bioshock, to use a game example, is built upon the idea that the player is being tricked. Even if you, personally, didn't get tricked by it and figured out the Kindly twist in advance it worked for a lot of people and impacted their experience. Knowing it in advance changes how you view things and to some people it's more fun to get the intended experience instead. Not spoiling things is just not being a dick to people who enjoy things differently from you. The argument of "It's not a GOOD THING if spoiling it can ruin it" is silly because a lot of movies, books and games function at their best by tricking or misleading the viewer to evoke emotion. Knowing the trick means you can appreciate how it was set up but you don't get the same emotional connection as you would if you 'fell' for the trick.
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Sometimes, usually with TV shows, knowing what's going to happen makes you go into it looking at things in a different context, so the second time around is a different experience from the first. And it's kind of lovely to take that experience away from someone when you could easily just shut the gently caress up about it. ^^^^^ And what that guy up there said. raditts fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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when i watched ds9 for the first time i thought i read somewhere that odo died so it was a weird watch. and then a character i didn't care about died instead
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Endorph posted:play nier first and horizon never Horizon is really good though.
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Cowcaster posted:i hear good things about this new zelda: best of the worst I'm waiting for a Switch to play the Zelders. bloodychill posted:Person 5 5 Persons will have to wait, that's a huge time sink. exquisite tea posted:I vote Nicer then Horizontal if you plan on doing both because I did the opposite and Nicer is kind of hard to look at now. Thank you.
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Having a fresh first experience is nice but it's dumb when it gets to the point of insisting that detailed discussion just not happen on enthusiast sites unless it looks like an FBI doc.
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Spoiler tags are good, friend, and take next to no effort to use.
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Franchescanado posted:Also excited because Nicer:A's success means we may get a remake of the original Nicer Automata is already kind of a remake of the original anyway
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Motto posted:Having a fresh first experience is nice but it's dumb when it gets to the point of insisting that detailed discussion just not happen on enthusiast sites unless it looks like an FBI doc. For popular games, I'm a fan of separate spoiler threads so people can just post about the whole game without marking spoilers. The Horizon one is good, for example.
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Motto posted:Having a fresh first experience is nice but it's dumb when it gets to the point of insisting that detailed discussion just not happen on enthusiast sites unless it looks like an FBI doc. It depends. Like okay, for video games: There are a lot of valid reasons to discuss a game before you're finished it because games are long and have mechanical or gameplay issues which you might want to discuss. Short of making separate story/gameplay threads how do you handle that without asking for spoilers or telling someone "Well, too bad that you wanted to ask where the magic sword of mcguffin is, here is a discussion about how Cloud kills Tidus instead."
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Sometimes the act of revelation itself is so important to the overall experience that it does damage the work as a whole to know what's coming in advance. This is so obvious for certain stories that I don't know how anyone could disagree. If you're not particularly invested in the story however, spoilers likely aren't going to mean as much to you.
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Being super spoiler paranoid is bad, spoiling stuff just to be a dick is bad, but claiming that work A spoils work B which was released years later and wasn't even being envisioned contemporaneously with work A is just crazy.
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Franchescanado posted:Real talk, which to play first: Horizontal or Nicer:A? Breathing Willy.
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haveblue posted:Being super spoiler paranoid is bad, spoiling stuff just to be a dick is bad, but claiming that work A spoils work B which was released years later and wasn't even being envisioned contemporaneously with work A is just crazy.
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haveblue posted:Being super spoiler paranoid is bad, spoiling stuff just to be a dick is bad, but claiming that work A spoils work B which was released years later and wasn't even being envisioned contemporaneously with work A is just crazy.  To save my fragile e-go someone else also mentioned that Automata might be better completely blind of previous Yoko Taro works in the Automata thread (which is the advice I took) 
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Franchescanado posted:Real talk, which to play first: Horizontal or Nicer:A? Franchescanado posted:I'm waiting for a Switch to play the Zelders. Do you have the worst word filters or are you just being ~quirky~?
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Lurdiak posted:Breathing Willy. I don't own a Swatch Olive Garden tonight! posted:Do you have the worst word filters or are you just being ~quirky~? Horizontal was a word filter, Zelders is from Lurdiak and the others were legit typos in this thread from the last page. I'm bored.
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Franchescanado posted:I don't own a Swatch Surely you own a Woo?
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Harrow posted:For popular games, I'm a fan of separate spoiler threads so people can just post about the whole game without marking spoilers. The Horizon one is good, for example. This is my personal preference. I liked it for Horizon and this should probably be done for Nier and Zelda if it hasn't already been done.
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Lakbay posted:
I don't even necessarily think you're wrong, just that "spoiler" wasn't the right word.
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Olive Garden tonight! posted:Do you have the worst word filters or are you just being ~quirky~? whatever it is... it's freaking epic 
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