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Tae posted:Probably Jamal Crawford. Maybe Lou Williams. James Harden is better by far than anyone else in the league at it. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/james-harden-gets-fouled-on-3s-more-than-any-nba-team/ 
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Oh, and here he is compared to the teams that draw the most 3-point shooting fouls:
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Mar 29, 2017 18:53
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dokmo posted:I'll bet Harden has more than the rest of the league combined. Not quite, but close enough. lol
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Mar 29, 2017 18:54
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Harden is such a loving basketball genius. We are all lucky to be able to see this first hand.
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dokmo posted:I'll bet Harden has more than the rest of the league combined. You lost the bet. So uh...you need to donate money to Doctors Without Borders to make up for your shame.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:57
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Lowry was seemingly doing it every game, but no one compares to Harden.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:58
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Strawberry Panda posted:Dragic draws fouls from the 3 pt line once or twice per game. What other players have that particular skill? Isaiah Thomas is really good at throwing up a 3pt attempt once he feels contact as his defender fights over the pick.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:00
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What is particularly impressive about Harden's numbers is that he throws up so many more 3pt shots than anyone else and still has the highest rate of drawn fouls on them. It's very impressive. I still hate watching his foul baiting ways, though, despite their proven effectiveness.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:03
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Kibner posted:What is particularly impressive about Harden's numbers is that he throws up so many more 3pt shots than anyone else and still has the highest rate of drawn fouls on them. It's very impressive. But that's not it: he isn't drawing fouls on 3pt attempts, he's drawing the foul and then making a three point attempt. The other players are drawing fouls on close outs. Harden is drawing the foul in three point territory because he is an awesome pick and roll player. He waits for the defender to go over the screen and slows down to wait for the guy to stick his hand in and boom. There is no other player who has as quick a trigger as he does. You can't go under screens because he'll kill you with the pull up. You can't switch because he'll iso your big and kill you off the dribble. So defenders go over screens and they have one goal in mind: we can't let him get going downhill. So they stick their hand in to grab him or slow him and that's it, they're dead. dokmo fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Mar 29, 2017 19:09
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dokmo posted:I'll bet Harden has more than the rest of the league combined. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/james-harden-gets-fouled-on-3s-more-than-any-nba-team/
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Mar 29, 2017 19:11
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Warriors VR sex coccoons are canon.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:12
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dokmo posted:But that's not it: he isn't drawing fouls on 3pt attempts, he's drawing the foul and then making a three point attempt. The other players are drawing fouls on close outs. Harden is drawing the foul in three point territory because he is an awesome pick and roll player. He waits for the defender to go over the screen and slows down to wait for the guy to stick his hand in and boom. There is no other player who has as quick a trigger as he does. Like this play, I assume? https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/harden101.mp4 Crabbe reaches over the pick and Harden immediately goes into his shooting motion, drawing contact.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:15
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This video is more obvious with LeBron making contact with his arm before Harden goes up: https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/harden4.mp4
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Mar 29, 2017 19:17
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Kibner posted:Like this play, I assume? Look at the timing on that play beautiful. Capela barely drew contact before he made his dive and at the same split second Harden made his move. If Crabbe didn't foul there he would be left behind and that play ends in an easy lob.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:20
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Tae posted:Okay, it's a cheap enough deal that it doesn't really matter too much but why sign a guy coming off a major injury Lance on the Pacers is a really good player, unlike Lance everywhere else.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:37
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dokmo posted:Look at the timing on that play beautiful. Capela barely drew contact before he made his dive and at the same split second Harden made his move. If Crabbe didn't foul there he would be left behind and that play ends in an easy lob. Harden's reaction there was immediate. It wouldn't look any better had Crabbe told him he was going to reach across his arms.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:39
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Tae posted:Okay, it's a cheap enough deal that it doesn't really matter too much but why sign a guy coming off a major injury Giving a guy that is on the street a multi-year deal because he's either not good enough or not healthy enough for the rest of the league (including bad teams like the Wolves and Pelicans) is not a good deal or that cheap.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:39
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It's hard for a defender to man up Harden on the three point line because his grungy rear end beard distorts the space for the contest.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:42
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Also gently caress Lance Stephenson and the Pacers for signing him.
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Mar 29, 2017 19:42
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Libertine posted:Also gently caress Lance Stephenson and the Pacers for signing him. Why you gotta hate on my boy?
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Mar 29, 2017 19:45
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$12M/3 is not that cheap to me for someone that wasn't good enough or healthy enough to stay on a team for more than a few months
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Mar 29, 2017 19:57
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The 3rd year isn't guaranteed. But anyway, that's Lavoy Allen money so who cares.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:02
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pubic works project posted:Why you gotta hate on my boy? I think it's because he sexually assaulted a girl and threw his girlfriend down the stairs, probably.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:16
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WhyteRyce posted:$12M/3 is not that cheap to me for someone that wasn't good enough or healthy enough to stay on a team for more than a few months 4 million a year is really nothing in today's league
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Mar 29, 2017 20:20
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The Duggler posted:4 million a year is really nothing in today's league The guy has been injured and playing on 10 day contracts. That's way more of a commitment than they needed to give him. It may not impact their cap situation or affect any other moves, but it's still a bad contract. Also he's a piece of poo poo.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:27
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Harden's 3pt foul drawing ability will go down in history along with JJ Barea's "run really hard into a screen and fall down" and "fall down while being posted up" abilities
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Mar 29, 2017 20:26
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Harden's 3pt foul drawing ability will go down in history along with JJ Barea's "run really hard into a screen and fall down" and "fall down while being posted up" abilities These aren't comparable in any way. The latter are hard-to-call foul/nonfoul judgement calls. Harden is definitely being fouled on his threes since defenders are impeding his shooting motion. You may not like it but those are absolutely fouls.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:35
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The best play involving Harden is still the Harden Manu double flop.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:40
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If JJ doesn't fall down when taking charges, he doesn't get calls. I love that little dude, though, so don't trust me. Those Harden fouls look a lot closer to rip throughs. He decides to shoot because the arm in there, rather than starting to shoot and being impeded.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:47
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dokmo posted:These aren't comparable in any way. The latter are hard-to-call foul/nonfoul judgement calls. Harden is definitely being fouled on his threes since defenders are impeding his shooting motion. You may not like it but those are absolutely fouls. It's no more a foul than the rip through is a foul. Give it a couple years and the NBA will make it a non-shooting foul like it should be
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Mar 29, 2017 20:50
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Spacebump posted:The best play involving Harden is still the Harden Manu double flop. The best part was everyone knowing it was going to happen and then it did. havelock posted:If JJ doesn't fall down when taking charges, he doesn't get calls. A rip through is when you move your shooting motion into the person. Deciding to shoot when someone is in your grill isn't a rip through. Harden is reacting to the defender, but that's perfectly fine.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:52
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The Duggler posted:4 million a year is really nothing in today's league $4M is not league minimum and I'd be scratching my head to see right now why Lance is worth $4M a year. I get the multi-year thing is just a game where you are basically getting a jump on the offseason by signing him now, but this summer who would give Lance anything other than a prove it camp deal?
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havelock posted:Those Harden fouls look a lot closer to rip throughs. He decides to shoot because the arm in there, rather than starting to shoot and being impeded. Not a rip through. 
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Mar 29, 2017 21:06
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So rip through is the wrong phrase, but it's more that he aims to draw a foul rather than aiming to make a basket. That's totally within the rules, sure, but it offends my basketball aesthetic sensibilities.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:10
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after being adjacent to people taking batshit crazy silicon valley crap seriously irl i cant 100% tell when people are being earnest with a sex coccoon and when they arentWhyteRyce posted:$4M is not league minimum and I'd be scratching my head to see right now why Lance is worth $4M a year. I get the multi-year thing is just a game where you are basically getting a jump on the offseason by signing him now, but this summer who would give Lance anything other than a prove it camp deal? Larry Bird
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Mar 29, 2017 21:15
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havelock posted:it offends my basketball aesthetic sensibilities. OK but you're missing out. There are like three players in the league who can think quickly enough to do what he does. He isn't the fastest physical athlete but he is probably the quickest thinking athlete.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:15
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dokmo posted:OK but you're missing out. There are like three players in the league who can think quickly enough to do what he does. He isn't the fastest physical athlete but he is probably the quickest thinking athlete. I don't deny it takes incredible skill to pull off - I think my lack of appreciation stems from how frustrating it is to see your team fall victim to it.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:21
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I think there was an article a while back about some advanced fitness metrics that they tested on Harden. Apparently he was by and large completely average by NBA standards, with one exception -- he could decelerate faster than anyone they had ever tested. I thought that was kinda nifty. Explains why some of his herky jerk moves and suddenly stopping to bait fouls is so effective.
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dokmo posted:OK but you're missing out. There are like three players in the league who can think quickly enough to do what he does. He isn't the fastest physical athlete but he is probably the quickest thinking athlete. Just like JJ Barea
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Harden doesn't fit into any of the standard templates for superstars. He's not preternaturally athletic. He is tough, but not notably so. He doesn't have a lot of endurance, he doesn't give 100%,, he doesn't always focus on what is happening. Nobody calls superstars "crafty", even white guys, but the thing that makes him special is absolutely his intelligence. We don't have a template for a thinking man's superstar, or a way of talking about them aside from "he's good but I don't like him."
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