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Franchescanado posted:It's the only book I know that he's done that, though. Right? Even Firestarter, with all its weird sexual quirks and being written in a drugged haze, didn't do anything like that. I'm just saying Any time I get a chance to recommend the actual book, it has to come with a warning of "It does feature a child orgy." I really don't like having to have that be a caveat for a thing I really like.
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Violator posted:I think the really surprising thing is that it got printed. None of the editors said "Hey man, maybe you can have them do a blood brothers oath or something instead? Cut their fingers instead of group sex?" I'd love to be a fly on the wall of that meeting where King successfully argued keeping that scene in to his editor. It's must have been some black belt-level word karate on his part to justify it.
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Violator posted:I think the really surprising thing is that it got printed. None of the editors said "Hey man, maybe you can have them do a blood brothers oath or something instead? Cut their fingers instead of group sex?" King was extremely hot at the time, I imagine his publisher was just letting him go his own way by that point. He'd had a string of hits and was selling millions of paperbacks, and his work had never been without some controversy anyway.
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Also, for context, read other horror novels that were coming out in the 1980's. As hosed as it is, a teen gangbang in a book close to two decades into the career of one of the world's most famous writers in the horror genre is still (relatively) tame compared to the hosed up things that pass for horror novels. Even now, underage incest rape is in some of the most popular fantasy series with millions of fans, so while I'm not defending it, it's strange that people seem to ignore that he's not the only one that's written stuff like that. Like, Flowers in the Attic is arguably worse, since it's a series based around incest rape, and it's not necessarily vilifying it, either. This conversation always comes up when people mention IT. If King is willing to re-write 400+ pages to The Stand, maybe he should re-write that scene in the book and give it a re-release for the movie.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:47
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Basebf555 posted:King was extremely hot at the time, I imagine his publisher was just letting him go his own way by that point. He'd had a string of hits and was selling millions of paperbacks, and his work had never been without some controversy anyway. This can't be emphasized enough. All writers have editors, but I just don't think they care when it comes to King, it's guaranteed money. And there was probably mountains of coke on the desk of that publishers meeting.
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Franchescanado posted:Also, for context, read other horror novels that were coming out in the 1980's. As hosed as it is, a teen gangbang in a book close to two decades into the career of one of the world's most famous writers in the horror genre is still (relatively) tame compared to the hosed up things that pass for horror novels. Yeah, this is really easy to overlook or not know about at all.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:51
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Unrelated to sexy It chat. How did I not know the Christmas Evil Blu-ray has three audio commentaries and one of them includes John Waters? Ordered.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yeah, this is really easy to overlook or not know about at all. I'm guilty of have no major awareness of other horror from the 80s. If they didn't make a movie about it, like Hellraiser, I admittedly know nothing about it.
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Burkion posted:I really don't like having to have that be a caveat for a thing I really like. Nah, you gotta play it off. "What the gently caress are YOOOU talking about?"
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Mar 29, 2017 20:56
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Spatulater bro! posted:Unrelated to sexy It chat. How did I not know the Christmas Evil Blu-ray has three audio commentaries and one of them includes John Waters? Ordered. Christmas Evil was my favorite discovery from this past season. Can't wait to watch that movie again next year.
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Violator posted:Nah, you gotta play it off. "What the gently caress are YOOOU talking about?" This is really mean and funny, and if I had friends that read horror novels, I'd do it. "My copy doesn't have anything like that! Are you for serious, friend?" Basebf555 posted:Christmas Evil was my favorite discovery from this past season. Can't wait to watch that movie again next year. Same. That and rediscovering how good Black Christmas is.
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Basebf555 posted:Christmas Evil was my favorite discovery from this past season. Can't wait to watch that movie again next year. Same here. It's gonna be an annual Christmas tradition going forward.
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Spatulater bro! posted:Unrelated to sexy It chat. How did I not know the Christmas Evil Blu-ray has three audio commentaries and one of them includes John Waters? Ordered. He's the main reason I saw it in the first place so that's cool.
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Love Witch coming to Prime in April so those who haven't weighed in on that one can check it out.
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The trailer looks good and it looks like color filter used sparingly which I always prefer. Looks drat good and terrifying. Really hope we get to see like Gill Man and Frankenstein monster and Wolf Man. I think there is a shot in the trailer of Pennywise in Wolfman mode. He seems to have claws bursting out of his gloves.
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Hollismason posted:I think there is a shot in the trailer of Pennywise in Wolfman mode. He seems to have claws bursting out of his gloves. Yea that's what I was referring to earlier when someone complained about Pennywise being to overtly scary. He doesn't have claws in that scene for no reason, its because it goes with the form he's taking.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:18
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Mar 29, 2017 21:26
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Oh wow, I hadn't really been following the IT production stuff and had no idea they were bumping up the '50s kid parts to the '80s. I'm watching that trailer like  The only part in the entire novel that was real hard for me to get through as a kid was Patrick Hockstetter's demise - I saw they have his missing flyer up, so that part should be fun if they go there.
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Mar 29, 2017 21:29
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Basebf555 posted:Yea that's what I was referring to earlier when someone complained about Pennywise being to overtly scary. He doesn't have claws in that scene for no reason, its because it goes with the form he's taking. I wasn't complaining about Pennywise being scary, I was commenting on the fact that his default state is "Victorian tuberculosis patient" instead of Saturday Morning variety show clown, as is how he is described in the book. I'm well aware that It takes the form the teenage werewolf in Niebolt Street. I was just usIng the claws to comment on the fact that it isn't the traditional sharp teeth/glowing eyes that makes It inherently scary; most of it comes from it using the fear of those it hunts against them.
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Fart City posted:I wasn't complaining about Pennywise being scary, I was commenting on the fact that his default state is "Victorian tuberculosis patient" instead of Saturday Morning variety show clown, as is how he is described in the book. I'm well aware that It takes the form the teenage werewolf in Niebolt Street. I was just usIng the claws to comment on the fact that it isn't the traditional sharp teeth/glowing eyes that makes It inherently scary; most of it comes from it using the fear of those it hunts against them. I just don't see anything in there to suggest that we won't get the Saturday Morning version too. You could be right but we don't have any evidence yet.
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Really hoping we get Gill Man.
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It's not going to happen Hollismason, unless they work in Monster Squad somehow ...Which they should absolutely do.
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Basebf555 posted:I just don't see anything in there to suggest that we won't get the Saturday Morning version too. You could be right but we don't have any evidence yet. The marketing (trailers, posters, publicity stills ) has been pushing almost exclusively towards a Pennywise that looks exclusively deformed and monstrous, which inherently defeats the purpose of It choosing a guise to lure in children. But like you said, it's still early, so who knows?
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^^^^I mean I definitely agree that if that's what we end up getting it will be a major disappointment. The one thing I would point to in the trailer though is the slideshow where Pennywise's face is slowly revealed. It looks like a much more colorful version than what we've seen in still photos so far. Gill Man they might be able to use just because they can maybe make his design different enough from the Creature From the Black Lagoon. Hard to imagine what they can do with Frankenstein's Monster, he may have to be dropped entirely. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Basebf555 posted:Gill Man they might be able to use just because they can maybe make his design different enough from the Creature From the Black Lagoon. Hard to imagine what they can do with Frankenstein's Monster, he may have to be dropped entirely. Haven't the filmmakers gone on record to say they're dropping all of the classic monsters in favor of more recent horror icons, whatever that means? The sink scene makes me think they could do The Blob, and it's New Line, so I feel like they might use Freddy Kruger, as bad as that would be.
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If it's in the 1980s then it should be Freddy Krueger, Jason, etc..
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Franchescanado posted:The sink scene makes me think they could do The Blob, and it's New Line, so I feel like they might use Freddy Kruger, as bad as that would be. Maybe Jason Vorhees prowling the sewers in place of Frankenstein's Monster?
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That... would be bad rear end. Who's making the film? We could probably figure out something from that. I feel though if they were using Jason then it'd have to have been leaked by now. Like that's a big deal to use a iconic character.
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Hollismason posted:That... would be bad rear end. Dude who directed Mama.
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Fart City posted:Dude who directed Mama. No the production company or distributor ? If it's New Line maybe? It'd be cool as hell to see really any horror icon show in it.
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Fart City posted:I wasn't complaining about Pennywise being scary, I was commenting on the fact that his default state is "Victorian tuberculosis patient" instead of Saturday Morning variety show clown, as is how he is described in the book. I'm well aware that It takes the form the teenage werewolf in Niebolt Street. I was just usIng the claws to comment on the fact that it isn't the traditional sharp teeth/glowing eyes that makes It inherently scary; most of it comes from it using the fear of those it hunts against them. I don't know if the marketing would or even could coherently present Pennywise in multiple disparate forms, and if you're going to pick one, it makes sense to market the scariest one out of the gate for people that aren't completely familiar with the franchise. I do 100 percent agree that those other forms should be represented though, particularly the more subtle one.
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Werewolf scene stuff still sticks, just because there were a butt load of Werewolf movies in the 80s. We could get The Thing, that would be pretty twisted.
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Haha, in the Greenlit thread they're also debating the merits of teen orgy scenes. There are also people in there saying that goofy friendly Pennywise is no longer relevant in 2017 and that its totally appropriate to drop that aspect of the character.
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Can I just say I loving love this thread and all it stands for.
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Burkion posted:Werewolf scene stuff still sticks, just because there were a butt load of Werewolf movies in the 80s. If Everett McGill bursts through a wall wearing an eye patch and dressed as a reverend, movie gets an auto 5 stars. 10 stars if Gary Busey bursts through the opposite wall looking for a rematch.
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Franchescanado posted:They changed whole scenes and monsters to move the story by three decades and invented a new bully character, I think they can write around a pre-teen gangbang. They added more bullies? That book is already chock full of them!
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Right after the slide show scene in the trailer, you can see a few frames of Eddie running from the leper. Studio ADI, responsible for many practical effects in beloved horror movies, has helped with Pennywise's makeup and other characters on the film. I'm excited to see the leper and wolfman up close.
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Basebf555 posted:Haha, in the Greenlit thread they're also debating the merits of teen orgy scenes. There are also people in there saying that goofy friendly Pennywise is no longer relevant in 2017 and that its totally appropriate to drop that aspect of the character. I don't agree thematically but it's a much harder sell now. Even by the 80s clowns as a friendly funny thing for kids were dying out, and now they're practically extinct.
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Lurdiak posted:They added more bullies? That book is already chock full of them! His name is Belch... Burkion posted:Werewolf scene stuff still sticks, just because there were a butt load of Werewolf movies in the 80s. Okay yes, this. The Thing would be amaaazing, because a shape-shifting monster becoming an amorphous shape-shifting monster would be cool as gently caress. Hollismason posted:No the production company or distributor ? If it's New Line maybe? Yeah, it's New Line. My mentality: If there is an icon like Jason, it'd be pretty foolish to put him in the trailer. Horror fans know IT, people in general know of IT, but it's still a reboot of a made-for-TV movie production from 27 years ago and a book from longer than that, it's still pretty unfamiliar for a lot of people. So you have a scary clown that eats kids in your movie. If all of a sudden Jason Vorhees is running around or Freddy Kruger, you can't contextually explain "No, that's still the clown, he shape-shifts to what scares you, and it's in the 80's", people would think that it's a weird cross-over or get too confused. It's an aspect of the story that's really difficult to market when your selling an evil clown that eats kids (the familiar concept).
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