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Nyandaber Z posted:One part of me hope Valls endorsing Macron is part of some ultra deep strategy, making Macron loose votes because people hate Valls, and making Hamon even more isolated so he drops out in favor of Mélanchon. Oh no, Valls is a complete fucker and a dipshit, who genuinely sees the last two years of Hamon's extremely mild posturing (like co-signing a motion of censure everyone knew would never have the votes to go through) as a deeply personal affront to his character. The one thing you need to know in order to understand French politics is that everyone thinks they're as smart as Mitterrand, when in actuality not even Mitterrand was as smart as Mitterrand. There's no deeper meaning to what anyone does, there's no ulterior motives, there's just people that think they have.
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feedmegin posted:Best guess, French potential-goons mostly post on French-language internet comedy forums in French, instead of here? My experience is that English-speaking forums with a majority or a at least a plurality of people from the USA/UK/Can/Aus/NZ generally turn to poo poo really, really quickly when the topic is French stuff. Pages after pages after pages of freedom fries and surrender monkeys; it gets old real quick. Being hidden behind the rest of Europe makes French politics safe to discuss in this thread.
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I think it's okay to discuss the politics of all Cat Mattress posted:Being hidden behind the rest of Europe makes French politics safe to discuss in this thread. We would not want you to surrender to the USA/UK/Can/Aus/NZ hordes right. In other news: Greece literally has thrown the statistician that corrected their faked statistics in jail - yup, that's Erdogan levels of shitheadness. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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GaussianCopula posted:I think it's okay to discuss the politics of all Just you wait until Mélenchon gets elected, in a month or so. You'll poo poo your god damned pants lol
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Mar 29, 2017 22:11
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Just you wait until Mélenchon gets elected, in a month or so. Just curious, are you and the other Frenchmen in this thread going to vote for Macron over Le Pen if/when that is the second round? GaussianCopula posted:In other news: Greece literally has thrown the statistician that corrected their faked statistics in jail - yup, that's Erdogan levels of shitheadness. It's not likely they literally threw him in jail since he was living in Maryland last time I checked, but this is a complete disgrace.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Just curious, are you and the other Frenchmen in this thread going to vote for Macron over Le Pen if/when that is the second round? I am resolute in my belief that it will not be the case, and I will not entertain any other possibility because I need not. EDIt : vvvv same, except it'd be a vote nul with a picture of goatse on it. Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Mar 29, 2017 22:24
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Just curious, are you and the other Frenchmen in this thread going to vote for Macron over Le Pen if/when that is the second round? Eeeesssh maybe a good time to vote blanc
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Mar 29, 2017 22:25
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I am resolute in my belief that it will not be the case, and I will not entertain any other possibility because I need not. So what's your prediction? Mélenchon against Le Pen?
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lollontee posted:It's an unrepresentative institution. I think we should make a Belgian Pol and a French Pol thread and then move the EuroPol discussion between those threads twice a week.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:So what's your prediction? Mélenchon against Le Pen? Honestly I don't know. I feel like there's a huge dose of uncertainty in this election. Who even knows if they will all still be here in three weeks. Can the turnout for Fillon be higher than expected? Can Mélenchon show that he's a much more beneficient alternative than Le Pen? Will Macron continue to make gaffe after gaffe? Mélenchon-Macron does not seem to be totally absurd. Mélenchon-Le Pen, also, maybe. Fillon-Le Pen, or Fillon-Macron is a possibility. I have no idea.
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Obviously the second round will be between Lasalle and Asselineau. Lassalineau.
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I'm also kinda bitter that no one will ask the same question of Macron. "What would you do in the event of a Le-Pen-Mélenchon second round?"
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I'm also kinda bitter that no one will ask the same question of Macron. "What would you do in the event of a Le-Pen-Mélenchon second round?" I'd be curious to know that too, but since both Macron and Le Pen in the last month seem to score consistently 8-10 points higher in the polls than Mélenchon, the question of who Mélenchon would support seems a bit more relevant.
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All we need is for Hamon to give up.
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Re: le gorafi "In difficulty, Hamon calls for Melanchon to stop his campaign" Didn't they joke about Valls rallying Macron though? 'Y a anguille sous roche en tout cas... Edit: I missed a page to make a bad joke. Shazback fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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3peat posted:What would a scottish IRA be called? Scottish National Liberation Army was an actual thing. They sent a parcel bomb to Thatcher in the 80s, but don't seem to have ever been very big. They want forced repatriation of English people to England and Gaelic to be the national language, despite being spoken by under 1% of the population. And I think they technically still exist.
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The French election worries me simply because there is still a huge amount of undecided voters. It's no wonder considering the shitshow it has been so far.
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Orange Devil posted:I think we should make a Belgian Pol and a French Pol thread and then move the EuroPol discussion between those threads twice a week. Surely there can't just be one BelgePol thread, we'll need separate ones for the regions. If one of them gets posted in, it's closed until there's a post in the other one, ensuring an equal number of replies between the threads with no unfair advantage to either one.
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u brexit ukip it posted:Surely there can't just be one BelgePol thread, we'll need separate ones for the regions. If one of them gets posted in, it's closed until there's a post in the other one, ensuring an equal number of replies between the threads with no unfair advantage to either one. This is getting too real, too painful, please stop
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If we're going to recognize Belgium as a country worthy of its own thread then I feel it's only fair Somalipol becomes a thing as well seeing as how they're virtually about as failed as states. Actually Somalia has been doing okayish for the last year so you're all alone again Belgium MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Shazback posted:Re: le gorafi "In difficulty, Hamon calls for Melanchon to stop his campaign" The screenshots I posted weren't from le gorafi. (And Meluche said he wasn't interested thanks)
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MiddleOne posted:If we're going to recognize Belgium as a country worthy of its own thread then I feel it's only fair Somalipol becomes a thing as well seeing as how they're virtually about as failed as states. Well, maybe as a compromise we could have a thread to recognize the immense contributions of Belgium and Belgians to the overall total of human misery, suffering and base quanta of physical pain. Through early modern capitalism, colonialism and just generally lately being complete cretinous shitheads. Though indeed lately the only people to succeed in not loving themselves up the arse through austerity, though due to completely despicable reasons. Yes?
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lollontee posted:Well, maybe as a compromise we could have a thread to recognize the immense contributions of Belgium and Belgians to the overall total of human misery, suffering and base quanta of physical pain. Through early modern capitalism, colonialism and just generally lately being complete cretinous shitheads. Though indeed lately the only people to succeed in not loving themselves up the arse through austerity, though due to completely despicable reasons. Yes? The fact that Belgium only made it out of the Eurozone crisis mostly unharmed due to lacking a government to actually enforce austerity is the saddest political commentary on the long-term viability of the Eurozone of them all.
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MiddleOne posted:The fact that Belgium only made it out of the Eurozone crisis mostly unharmed due to lacking a government to actually enforce austerity is the saddest political commentary on the long-term viability of the Eurozone of them all. Anarchy works! 
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I am resolute in my belief that it will not be the case, and I will not entertain any other possibility because I need not. How about Enema Hitler? He's hip with the kids, yo 
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lollontee posted:Well, maybe as a compromise we could have a thread to recognize the immense contributions of Belgium and Belgians to the overall total of human misery, suffering and base quanta of physical pain. Through early modern capitalism, colonialism and just generally lately being complete cretinous shitheads. Though indeed lately the only people to succeed in not loving themselves up the arse through austerity, though due to completely despicable reasons. Yes? It's not all terrible. We invented the saxophone, for example. Surely that counts for something?
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Does anyone have any good resources for reading up on the history of the UK's relationship to the EU? Significant policies they've torpedoed, policies they've supported/proposed, just anything that tends to define their particular relationship with the EU, their relevance, and what might change now that they're leaving. My google-fu is evidently a bit poo poo, the results are all saturated with brexit announcements and I can't find anything discussing any EU-centric non-economic consequences. I don't particularly care what happens to the UK, but since I'm living in Europe I'd like to have some idea of what the future might hold for us e: vv thanks. Like I said, I couldn't figure out the right phrase to search. I think I got stuck on variations of "EU UK voting history blocking votes" as though it were still 1998 and there were only a handful of sites on the internet Sulla Faex fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:Does anyone have any good resources for reading up on the history of the UK's relationship to the EU? Significant policies they've torpedoed, policies they've supported/proposed, just anything that tends to define their particular relationship with the EU, their relevance, and what might change now that they're leaving. My google-fu is evidently a bit poo poo, the results are all saturated with brexit announcements and I can't find anything discussing any EU-centric non-economic consequences. I don't particularly care what happens to the UK, but since I'm living in Europe I'd like to have some idea of what the future might hold for us http://lmgtfy.com/?q=uk+influence+on+eu first link leads to http://60811b39eee4e42e277a-72b421883bb5b133f34e068afdd7cb11.r29.cf3.rackcdn.com/2016/04/VoteWatch-Report-2016_digital.pdf down the page is http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/11/16/uk-influence-in-europe-series-is-the-uk-at-the-top-table-in-eu-negotiations/
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MiddleOne posted:The fact that Belgium only made it out of the Eurozone crisis mostly unharmed due to lacking a government to actually enforce austerity is the saddest political commentary on the long-term viability of the Eurozone of them all. After the formation crisis we had an openly gay socialist prime minister from the minority region. Van Rompuy (former president of Europe and member of one of the governing parties) tried to criticize Di Rupo's cabinet by saying Belgium had not yet austeried itself into ruin. Turns out keeping government spending up and having an indexation for wages helps the economy through harsh times. At least we elected a right wing conservative government to save us from prosperity.
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nimby posted:After the formation crisis we had an openly gay socialist prime minister from the minority region. Van Rompuy (former president of Europe and member of one of the governing parties) tried to criticize Di Rupo's cabinet by saying Belgium had not yet austeried itself into ruin. It also helps that Mario "whatever it takes" Draghi is doing everything he can to keep the faucet running, no matter the consequences, to finance the government debt of certain countries by keeping interest rates at record lows.
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You do realize that if the central rates go up at this moment then the housing markets of Berlin, Frankfurt, London, Stockholm, etc all go with them?
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MiddleOne posted:You do realize that if the central rates go up at this moment then the housing markets of Berlin, Frankfurt, London, Stockholm, etc all go with them? ~we need to keep fueling the bubble otherwise it will burst!~
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Just pointing out that you're just as much in the firing zone if the ECB re-visits their current stances. For me personally an end to the low-rate environment would be just fine.
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I think we're probably heading for long term low rates, low growth, low inflation. This so called secular stagnation, or stability. Well, one can hope anyway. The eurozone and EU itself is probably gonna throw some wrench in that.
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Mar 30, 2017 12:51
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MiddleOne posted:You do realize that if the central rates go up at this moment then the housing markets of Berlin, Frankfurt, London, Stockholm, etc all go with them? Eh? The ECB does not control UK interest rates.
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The last thing Europe and the world needs is more Eurocrisis shenanigans. If countries will need to start cutting costs to pay higher interest rates, nobody but the bankers are going to be better off.
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feedmegin posted:Eh? The ECB does not control UK interest rates. Thank Brown for that, eh? I still think UK should've adopted euro, at least the current madness would probably not come to pass. And maybe there'd have been more (British taxpayers! *gasp*) money for Greece. It's not like BoE doesn't pursue the same policies anyway.
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feedmegin posted:Eh? The ECB does not control UK interest rates. Neither does it control Sweden's. But irregardless of that smaller central banks do like to follow trends and if the ECB follows the Federal Reserve than the others won't be soon after.
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MiddleOne posted:Just pointing out that you're just as much in the firing zone if the ECB re-visits their current stances. For me personally an end to the low-rate environment would be just fine. I don't think overheating housing markets are beneficial to the German economy, so I'm not sure who you are referring to with this "firing zone". His Divine Shadow posted:I think we're probably heading for long term low rates, low growth, low inflation. This so called secular stagnation, or stability. Well, one can hope anyway. The eurozone and EU itself is probably gonna throw some wrench in that. Nah, we are approaching 2% inflation in the Eurozone and once we hit that target, the ECB will have to change it's policy.
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GaussianCopula posted:I don't think overheating housing markets are beneficial to the German economy, so I'm not sure who you are referring to with this "firing zone". The recession that will follow when people default on their mortgages and lots of people in the FIRE and government sector get laid off. GaussianCopula posted:Nah, we are approaching 2% inflation in the Eurozone and once we hit that target, the ECB will have to change it's policy. Yeah, inflation is making it inevitable.
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