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i keep seeing the base 10 thing but Westbrook averages 10.6 rebounds per game and harden averages 8. Base 10 or not Westbrook is still averaging ~33% more rebounds than Harden while averaging ~8% less assists (which might be more important tbh)
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I'd actually be okay with either guy as MVP. Which is rare.
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Mar 30, 2017 15:56
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lowly abject turd posted:i keep seeing the base 10 thing but Westbrook averages 10.6 rebounds per game and harden averages 8. Base 10 or not Westbrook is still averaging ~33% more rebounds than Harden while averaging ~8% less assists (which might be more important tbh) Since they are both guards the rebounding is not nearly as important as scoring efficiency. They are both near the top for rebounding guards, but Harden is near the top in efficiency for a high usage player, while Westbrook is not.
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lowly abject turd posted:i keep seeing the base 10 thing but Westbrook averages 10.6 rebounds per game and harden averages 8. Base 10 or not Westbrook is still averaging ~33% more rebounds than Harden while averaging ~8% less assists (which might be more important tbh) 2 rebounds are pretty arbitrary. It's obviously part of the game plan for Russ to grab a ton of rebounds to initiate the offense better. If you want a real argument why Harden and Russ's rebounding matters it's that Russ is the leading rebounder on a much better rebounding team. The main argument honestly, is that in terms of production the gab between Harden and Westbrook is pretty miniscule. We are talking 2 points and 2 rebounds in favor of Westbrook and an assist in favor of Harden. That's like... nothing. Meanwhile Harden is doing it for the better team and is much more efficient. The people gunning for westbrook act like his production is light years ahead of Harden which is completely false.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:00
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I mean, I like them both as players very much and they're both doing amazing things right now but the main thing it comes down to is that Brodie is just way cooler
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Mar 30, 2017 16:03
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My friends let me tell you about a metric I've developed I call "the eye test".
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Mar 30, 2017 16:05
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Harden is an ugly trash flopper and I hate watching him play. Westbrook is a super human who deserves better than his team can provide. Westbrook should win. He probably won't.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:06
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It should obviously go to the most dynamic and exciting superstar in the NBA today: Kawhi Leonard.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:08
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Libertine posted:It should obviously go to the most dynamic and exciting superstar in the NBA today: Kawhi Leonard. I actually agree with this but it's pretty clear at this point it's going to be harden. I'd vote 1) Kawhi 2) Harden 3) Westbrook 4) Lebron
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Mar 30, 2017 16:09
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Counting rebounds for guards isn't that valuable imo, since many times the team is just allowing a ball handler to grab the board to get into their offense. Russ is averaging 8.5 uncontested rebounds per game, highest in the league for all players, and is ahead of the next guard (Harden) by 2.1 per game.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:19
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It's probably going to go to Harden and the deciding factor for some voters will be that he was really close two years ago.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:29
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James Harden was unfairly shamed for his defense by a YouTube video that could probably be compiled for every nba player. He deserves to win.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:32
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I think if I had a vote I'd go Lebron, Kawhi, Harden, Westbrook. If Kawhi actually finished out the season scoring 28 per game or so I think it would be him, but he's struggled recently.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:48
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Gonna laugh when Lebron wins it
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Mar 30, 2017 16:57
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TBeats posted:Gonna laugh when Lebron wins it I mean, he should have more. It wouldn't be the worst MVP award ever
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Mar 30, 2017 17:03
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I'm just glad Gretzky never got screwed out of the Hart because writers were tired of voting for him. What a load of malarkey.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:15
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10 translates to A which means Russ is the only triple A athlete in the NBA which is pretty drat important
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Mar 30, 2017 17:34
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You guys need to factor height into your equations. The Beard? 6'5". Rus? 6'3". IT? 5'9". The answer is clear.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:52
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dokmo posted:Harden is a much more efficient scorer, a better playmaker, and a better defender. Medieval numerology is really the only argument for Westbrook. Human preference for aesthetics cannot be discounted simply because it does not fit your data models! You don't walk into a cathedral and say "well these stained glass windows should have been replaced with something more structurally sound centuries ago." Russ should be MVP because he dunks really hard and he averaged a triple double and you're nerding yourself into a dangerous corner if you think otherwise
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Mar 30, 2017 17:56
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I look at stainglass windows and just laugh at the foolish medieval times for not understanding the importance of dual pane glass
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Mar 30, 2017 17:58
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I stand with Harden (and maybe Kawhi) over Westbrook. 
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Mar 30, 2017 17:57
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Also it's not necessarily an argument that wins me over but I feel like there's been an unspoken premise wherein a vote for Westbrook MVP is a vote for "gently caress kd"
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Mar 30, 2017 18:07
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Is it a fair tie-breaker to use the hypothetical of "Who would get more wins if Harden and Westbrook swapped places?"
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Mar 30, 2017 18:13
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The Biggest Jerk posted:Is it a fair tie-breaker to use the hypothetical of "Who would get more wins if Harden and Westbrook swapped places?" There is literally no criteria for MVP other than however you define value, so sure.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:15
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Westbrook should get the MVP because gently caress you
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Mar 30, 2017 18:23
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Kawhi seems like the most likely to be my friend irl while Westbrook and harden seem like jerks. Kawhi 4 mvp
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Mar 30, 2017 18:26
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I wouldn't mind Westbrook getting MVP but at the same time I think people who vote for him because he has an arbitrary slightly more rebounds as guard are dumb for missing the real reason why he should win it. His clutch performance in the last 5 minutes of a game is like historically good for a bad roster like the Thunder.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:29
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Russ should win MVP for the same reasons Derrick Rose deserved his MVP...it's all about narratives baby
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Mar 30, 2017 18:30
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Tae posted:I wouldn't mind Westbrook getting MVP but at the same time I think people who vote for him because he has an arbitrary slightly more rebounds as guard are dumb for missing the real reason why he should win it. His clutch performance in the last 5 minutes of a game is like historically good for a bad roster like the Thunder. Yeah, his shooting goes up to nearly league average in those situations!
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Mar 30, 2017 18:32
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Noctone posted:Westbrook should get the MVP because gently caress KD and you
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Mar 30, 2017 18:33
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I feel like gently caress durant is a valid mvp argument. also https://streamable.com/vwe3y
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xbilkis posted:Russ should win MVP for the same reasons Derrick Rose deserved his MVP...it's all about narratives baby I don't see Russ beating a future world championship team 2 days after an ulcer operation
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Mar 30, 2017 18:38
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EvanTH posted:Also it's not necessarily an argument that wins me over but I feel like there's been an unspoken premise wherein a vote for Westbrook MVP is a vote for "gently caress kd" Hmm I never considered it that way. I'm convinced. WB should be MVP
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Mar 30, 2017 18:43
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If Westbrook doesn't dribble the ball off his foot in game 7 KD would have stayed, his performance in that series, jacking up and bricking endless shots is why KD is gone
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Mar 30, 2017 18:49
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Ammanas posted:If Westbrook doesn't dribble the ball off his foot in game 7 KD would have stayed, his performance in that series, jacking up and bricking endless shots is why KD is gone If the Warriors didn't mess up over a handful of times in the last minute of game 7 of the Finals after being up 3-1, KD wouldn't have gone to Golden State.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:53
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If Presti didn't trade Harden to the Rockets for Jeremy Lamb, Durant would still be on the Thunder
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Mar 30, 2017 18:56
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If the Thunder resigned Durant, he would still be on the Thunder.
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Russell is cool and fun and he leads the league in something called "Player Efficiency Rating" which means he's VERY efficient so I don't see what the problem is.
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Spacebump posted:If the Warriors didn't mess up over a handful of times in the last minute of game 7 of the Finals after being up 3-1, KD wouldn't have gone to Golden State. I'm not sure that's true, KD wants a ring and whether or not GS wins last year moving to the warriors is his best chance to get one Like if you're the warriors and just won the championship and you see KD is available do you say no thx we good? Of course not.
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dokmo posted:I feel like gently caress durant is a valid mvp argument. also It's the only argument that matters
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